Just saying I think they both had too much responsibility before the trade. I think Holden will be fine in a smaller role different system.
Confirmed Trade: [NYR/BOS]Nick Holden for Rob O'Gara + 2018 3rd round pick
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LouJersey
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I see your comment and raise you one Ryan Donato, currently leading the Olympics in goals scored (although it's not over and there's a very likely chance he'll at least be tied and beat out).
One Winged Angel
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This.
The Bruins defense was deep enough. If they were gonna make a trade with the Rangers, it should have been for Ryan McDonagh, not a guy who I wouldn't say is better than McQuaid in his own zone. Holden blows assignments regularly. He thinks because of his unsustainable offensive production from last year that he's Bobby freakin' Orr and gets caught up the ice way too much. Not only that, but I can't count the number of times they've scored a goal against that top pairing of him and McDonagh because Holden lost his assignment and left a player wide open in the slot.
They were better off keeping O'Gara and the 3rd. I'm not saying this to "win the argument" on HF, as I could give a rat's ass less about "winning an argument" on here. I'm saying it because it's an unbiased analysis of a guy that I watched blunder it up EVERY DAMN NIGHT and got sick of seeing the same mistakes. I rather would have seen Smith in there with McDonagh, at least he had good chemistry with him last season at times.
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Donato is still not a better prospect than either of those two even with his excellent Olympic showing
One Winged Angel
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Not only that, but you're at least in this market.
I've had center ice every year since the inception of the package itself and had out of market access before that with Dish Network. I'm telling you right now as someone who has the package, it's impossible to watch every team, even fragments of games of every team. I've followed Vegas this year, Toronto and Nashville on a semi-regular basis and even that's been hard to do.
I'm tired of hearing people from other markets come in and tell me that they watch my team and know my players better than I do. It's simply a crock of shit and some HF fallacy that people who are too proud to admit that they don't watch a said player because they want to maintain their know-it-all HF savant (no pun intended at you @Savant) status.
Honestly, what's wrong with not knowing about a team and their players if they're not in your market?
LouJersey
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I've had this argument over and over about this trade. Again, it doesn't really matter as it's a nothing trade, but I posted that I have seen him a lot AND 75% of Rangers fans who have seen him think he stinks, and yet people were still saying he doesn't.
Obviously changes of scenery help, new coaches seeing different flaws can maybe have some effect as well, but the less we see him the better for the Bruins IMO.
The Bruins did fine here.
With a better coach, players and system, Holden will be a very good depth D-man that is incredibly important for a team looking to make a deep run.
Rangers did well in getting what they did, but this is a move that neither fan base should be bragging about or crying over.
That these teams are talking to each other "may" push another eastern conference club to up the ante in a move for one of the bigger names the Rangers have on the block.
These "first-strike" trades are always interesting in determining how the deadline will play out.
Again, good move for Boston- used the right way, Holden is a positive add.
With a better coach, players and system, Holden will be a very good depth D-man that is incredibly important for a team looking to make a deep run.
Rangers did well in getting what they did, but this is a move that neither fan base should be bragging about or crying over.
That these teams are talking to each other "may" push another eastern conference club to up the ante in a move for one of the bigger names the Rangers have on the block.
These "first-strike" trades are always interesting in determining how the deadline will play out.
Again, good move for Boston- used the right way, Holden is a positive add.
One Winged Angel
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You hold up to it, you're pretty smart with hockey, even though we've had our disagreements.
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LouJersey
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The center ice thing is so true. I think its funny when the teams are in the same time zone. The Bruins are my team. I watch the Rags/Devils/Islanders when the Bruins aren't on. I don't really like much TV and my wife works every other weekend plus some nights as a nurse and my kids are older so I can watch a lot of hockey, which is basically still only 5-6 nights a week (7pm games only) and on the weekends Fri-Sun I can generally watch a few more. There is only so much time and I doubt all these fans from other teams are watching the archived games lol. I love Vegas this year as well so they are my "other" team but they are on late.
One Winged Angel
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Exactly.
Although I will say that watching Vegas and Nashville is easier because there's a time difference so having one team in intermission while they other is in play makes it easier to watch both teams.
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Yeah Donato doesn’t touch Andersson or Shesty right now and likely never, Andersson and Shesty are among the best prospects in the league
LouJersey
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One Winged Angel
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It's when the schedule spreads like in that time format that it's easier to watch more teams play.
Even with that said, I play regularly and have a social life, so I'm not home every night to watch out of market game even though I try to make the best of my $154 investment (early bird price).
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Interested to get NYR fans take on O'Gara. I only get to see highlights so I saw the goal against, but hows he looked besides that?
JT Kreider
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I take back everything bad I said about this trade for the Bruins after seeing the isles pay a 3rd for Davidson. We should have gotten a 1st for Holden in comparison
