Confirmed with Link: NYR Acquire Jacob Trouba for Pionk and 20th Overall pick

[NikC]

Comparing him to other top paid defensemen, tops 8 million. Somewhere between 7.5 and 8 would be ideal in comparison to other D.

Brent Burns makes 8 million, Trouba should make the same hopefully a tad less.

Ask yourself this question... why are the rangers seeking to sign a $ 8m defenseman right now?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ask yourself this question... why are the rangers seeking to sign a $ 8m defenseman right now?

Because he's available now

 

[Tawnos]

First of all, I want to preface this with how happy I am with this trade. Nothing I'm about to say reduces that happiness.

I've been thinking a lot this morning about this trade from Chevy's perspective. I think, from that perspective, we have to remember to view Pionk in a positive light, rather than through the lens of the 2nd half of the season and the Rangers needs and surpluses. This is a D who, as a rookie, held down a 1st pairing position and did OK with it at first, with diminishing results as time went on. He held that position ahead of Shattenkirk and DeAngelo, as well as McQuaid. So what you're thinking with a player like that is that he's a 2nd pairing guy.

Trouba, meanwhile, is a 1st pairing defenseman, but more of a #2 than a #1. This, too, is viewing Trouba in a positive light, since there are people who would say he's more of a #3.

What exactly is the price you ask for if you're moving a 1st pairing guy? In a vacuum, does a 1st pairing D for a similarly aged 2nd pairing D and a 1st make sense? I think it's maybe a little light, but it isn't that far off. So, in that vacuum, it's somewhat close. Then you throw in the contract factors and this deal starts to make a fair bit of sense.

Personally, I do think Pionk will be a 2nd pairing D for the Jets. Like I said, I'm still very happy with this trade, especially once you bring those organizational needs and surpluses back into the conversation.

 

[darko]

Trouba can only get 7 right now. The Rangers can flip him at the deadline if he doesn't want to sign here long-term.

Yeah I thought he could only get 7.

7/49 I'm more than ok with. 7/56 much less ok with.

 

[Tawnos]

Ask yourself this question... why are the rangers seeking to sign a $ 8m defenseman right now?

If the Rangers had a homegrown 1st pairing RD who was 25 and up for a new contract, would you be looking to re-sign him or trade him?

 

[Off Sides]

For the price it's worth a shot, yet I do think people are overrating Trouba's offensive prowess.

If it means DeAngelo is gone, I see it as more a swap for being better in their zone, yet worse getting out of it.

If it means Shattenkirk is gone it makes a ton more sense.

I still am not so sure Trouba will sign a long term extension until he can have a clause activate right away, which can not happen until he officially reaches UFA status. I think he needs 40 more game days on a NHL roster to reach that point to accrue his 7th NHL season.

 

[darko]

Mindboggling why Jets wouldn't allow teams to speak to Trouba and his agent.

 

[Fitzy]

The question is does Trouba want to be here for 8 years?

I think people are assuming he's going to sign but I'm not 100% sure it's a given

Take out the NMC from the deal, problem solved.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Ask yourself this question... why are the rangers seeking to sign a $ 8m defenseman right now?

Uhh....if he's 25, yes? D-Men peak about a year later than forwards. So if he stays healthy, it's likely that we're going to get 5-7 years of quality play before he drops off. Even if we only get 5, that's a fine deal for a top pairing RHD.

 

[Off Sides]

Mindboggling why Jets wouldn't allow teams to speak to Trouba and his agent.

Maybe they knew the teams would not like his answers?

 

[NYSPORTS]

So, are we all finally Troubalievers of Gorton now?

So long as he doesn’t draft another goalie in Round 2

 

[Deleted member 23124]

Mindboggling why Jets wouldn't allow teams to speak to Trouba and his agent.

Not really.....

 

[Ola]

I wouldn’t be surprised if they look to move TDA. Maybe with Kreider to get the second 1st rounder back.

Yeah but they have also talked about that ability to really get to the puck fast and get it up ice, and TDA is really good there. Certainly wouldn't mind keeping him. I think keeping TDA makes more sense now, this trade really sorted things out for us given of course that we can keep him. Trouba plays the toughest minutes. At first TDA plays the 2nd pair minutes and Fox get the o-zone starts. We have Nils Lundkvist in the farm who is a project, and I would definitely like to see Gorton get his hands on someone like Kaedan Korzak to provide some defensive RD depth. These guys are long-term projects. Should count on them to take D+4 to 5 years at least.

On the left side I am also very confident in Skjei, K'Andre/Hajak and Gilmour/Reunanen/Rykov/UDFAs we sign from here on/draft picks from here on and many others already in the farm/UFAs/Trades.

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Maybe they knew the teams would not like his answers?

Even if he said I absolutely won't re-sign with anyone, would the package have been much less than what the Rangers offered?

This package is, in my opinion, worse than the return for Hayes, who played for them for 2 months.

 

[Mikos87]

Mindboggling why Jets wouldn't allow teams to speak to Trouba and his agent.

Because the agent and player could tell the team that Trouba wouldn't sign with them, which would lower the number of bidders and the price on the player... which... did happen, but through the Jets themselves. Now these things can easily get back-channeled.

There was an executive that said the concerns isn't if teams want Trouba, but rather if Trouba wanted you.

The last two times the Rangers had trades like this, it was for MSL and Rick Nash.... and the Rangers paid full to premium value.

That did not happen this time around, and I for one cannot believe how low the price was. Fair market value would be a young NHL that can step in, a top prospect (1st round equivalent), and a 1st, plus conditional assets if Trouba were to re-sign.

The Rangers got an absolute steal.

 

[Off Sides]

Even if he said I absolutely won't re-sign with anyone, would the package have been much less than what the Rangers offered?

This package is, in my opinion, worse than the return for Hayes, who played for them for 2 months.

Right, this package seems to represent he is intent on making it to UFA.

Whether that changes or not, who knows.

I think the hold up will be the clauses, he still has an RFA year left.

Even in extension if they add pending clauses, none could take effect until he reached UFA status within that extension.

There would be a gap where he has no clauses in effect, yet would still be signed long term.

Not saying the team would trade him, more so they could if some other team offered them a ton in trade. He'd be worth a ton in trade signed long term, without any clauses, where the 2nd trading team could opt out of any pending clauses upon trade.

 

[Leetch3]

For the price it's worth a shot, yet I do think people are overrating Trouba's offensive prowess.

If it means DeAngelo is gone, I see it as more a swap for being better in their zone, yet worse getting out of it.

If it means Shattenkirk is gone it makes a ton more sense.

I still am not so sure Trouba will sign a long term extension until he can have a clause activate right away, which can not happen until he officially reaches UFA status. I think he needs 40 more game days on a NHL roster to reach that point to accrue his 7th NHL season.

that clause is a non-issue. the rangers aren't going to sign him long term and then turn around and trade him next year. if that protection is important to him later in the deal it can still be added to those years

 

[SA16]

Does this move signal that they've soured on Fox now that they've gotten to know him?

 

[Off Sides]

that clause is a non-issue. the rangers aren't going to sign him long term and then turn around and trade him next year. if that protection is important to him later in the deal it can still be added to those years

What if in the 1st year they find he is not quite what they thought, or what if some team who has trouble signing long term deals offers them something they can not refuse?

 

[Jaromir Jagr]

Does this move signal that they've soured on Fox now that they've gotten to know him?

This is sarcasm, right?

 

[Edge]

Does this move signal that they've soured on Fox now that they've gotten to know him?

Not at all, I get the sense they're trying to create a scenario where the spotlight isn't directly on him to come in and have to play over his head.

If he needs half a season in Hartford, so be it. If he makes the team out of camp, great. But I'd say playing behind Trouba isn't a bad thing for Fox.

 

[nyr2k2]

Sorry if this was posted, but found it interesting:

That makes it sounds like Trouba wants to be here, and getting an extension done might not be quite as painful as some fear. I'm not saying he'll take a Shattenkirk deal, but I don't think there will be an protracted, belabored negations.

 

[offdacrossbar]

this deal doesnt surprise me at all. trouba has long been linked to the nyr organization. they have liked him for years and with good reason. hes only 25 and checks alot of boxes. mich born kid who played at uofm. this guy has been a target for a while, not unlike 77 who the organization liked for years as well.

pair him with 76 and thats a top notch first pair of young usa born defenders who can both skate.

trouba adds some cred to this defense and allows the right side now to slot in appropriately. thats key, play these guys where they can excel. ADA on pair 2 and fox/shatty on 3.

the cost was relatively cheap. pionk was expendable the moment fox signed. pick 20 and pionk for trouba is a clear win.

its now trouba and ADA on the right side and one of shatty and fox on 3rd pair. pretty decent depth right there. if fox comes in and lights it up, shatty sits or ADA plays the left side.

 

[Tawnos]

Sorry if this was posted, but found it interesting:

That makes it sounds like Trouba wants to be here, and getting an extension done might not be quite as painful as some fear. I'm not saying he'll take a Shattenkirk deal, but I don't think there will be an protracted, belabored negations.

Good on Chevy to not obfuscate with teams about whether he would sign there, despite not allowing teams to talk to him. He could've easily made it seem like Trouba would go to more destinations.

 

[Leetch3]

What if in the 1st year they find he is not quite what they thought, or what if some team who has trouble signing long term deals offers them something they can not refuse?

i think you are worrying about nothing