Speculation: Nylander XXI - all Nylander discussion here (MOD WARNING IN OP)

[Joel Ward]

Just 2 days left. I get the feeling nothing will be done and Nylander will be out for the year.

As a Leafs fan, this is probably my least favourite outcome (aside for trading Nylander for pennies on the dollar), but I have had a gut feeling for the past month that this is how it will play out. Hopefully not!

 

[NHL WAR]

Nylander has really put the Leafs in a bad spot here.

Take the Scraps, let Nylander sit for a year, or sign him to an overpayment.

If the rumours that Nylander would accept 6×6.9 are true, that would be a very good deal for both sides IMO. The original alleged ask of 8 million+ for a RFA without arbitration rights would've been an overpayment, though.

 

[34]

As far as bridges burnt, it's not the Leafs who have to worry about that, its Nylander.
If he sits this season and then refuses to sign in TO and demands a trade, it means nothing. Leafs can sit him next year too, if they want. In fact, they can sit him until he's 27.
If he wants out, the quickest way is to sign a bridge deal, perform well his year and get dealt in the summer in a FAIR trade that benefits Toronto.

Any other thought of leverage on his side is just a wet dream from salty fans of other teams.

That is exactly what is going on here, it is the salty Leaf haters that want to see the Leafs get ripped right off on a Nylander trade. They are praying that the leafs get bamboozled.

 

[Liferleafer]

As a Leafs fan, this is probably my least favourite outcome (aside for trading Nylander for pennies on the dollar), but I have had a gut feeling for the past month that this is how it will play out. Hopefully not!

If the kid sits out, he's an idiot...but that's his choice to make.

 

[Tripp Longfellow]

As far as bridges burnt, it's not the Leafs who have to worry about that, its Nylander.
If he sits this season and then refuses to sign in TO and demands a trade, it means nothing. Leafs can sit him next year too, if they want. In fact, they can sit him until he's 27.
If he wants out, the quickest way is to sign a bridge deal, perform well his year and get dealt in the summer in a FAIR trade that benefits Toronto.

Any other thought of leverage on his side is just a wet dream from salty fans of other teams.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

As far as bridges burnt, it's not the Leafs who have to worry about that, its Nylander.
If he sits this season and then refuses to sign in TO and demands a trade, it means nothing. Leafs can sit him next year too, if they want. In fact, they can sit him until he's 27.
If he wants out, the quickest way is to sign a bridge deal, perform well his year and get dealt in the summer in a FAIR trade that benefits Toronto.

Any other thought of leverage on his side is just a wet dream from salty fans of other teams.

So theres no downsidenin Nylander sitting from a Leafs perspective?

No pressure that a wasted asset is on the sidelines ??

Hmmm i dont think you see things from management POV.

They want to win now while their young stars are on ELC. They cant keep playing this game w nylander.

Sign him or move him.

Sitting would be a massive L for both parties

 

[Kamiccolo]

I think you have me confused with Leafs fans who seem to have soured on Nylander a little during this process,

However, I am curious as a proud Canes and Leafs fan you proclaim yourself as. I think Canes fans would like to know what A Leafs/Canes fan would consider fair if a trade were to happen between the 2 teams. All I have seen from you is the Leafs perspective. Can the Canes fan come out and opine a little on their behalf for a change.

I don't want any trade to happen because I don't know if there is a trade that makes both sides happy. I think Leaf fans are underrating Pesce and some of the comments I have read over the past several threads about him are laughably uninformed.

Nylander also doesn't touch Slavin. So what can the plus be to Pesce? Is there a plus? I think the Leafs will need one. So what can we add? Well, Waddell said he won't offer sheet as the pick could easily be top 3. I agree, first rounders are out of the question. So it would have to be either 2nd rounders or prospects.

I can tell you right now Svech and Necas are off the table. They are far too important for the future to move for someone like Nylander.

So who is left? Anyone who Toronto will value enough to consider the add on? I don't know.

I don't know if I see a fit.

Pesce and Nylander is pretty damn close.

 

[34]

So theres no downsidenin Nylander sitting from a Leafs perspective?

No pressure that a wasted asset is on the sidelines ??

Hmmm i dont think you see things from management POV.

They want to win now while their young stars are on ELC. They cant keep playing this game w nylander.

Sign him or move him.

Sitting would be a massive L for both parties

I would rather see him sit, than get traded for your injury prone 3rd string D man.

 

[Liferleafer]

So theres no downsidenin Nylander sitting from a Leafs perspective?

No pressure that a wasted asset is on the sidelines ??

Hmmm i dont think you see things from management POV.

They want to win now while their young stars are on ELC. They cant keep playing this game w nylander.

Sign him or move him.

Sitting would be a massive L for both parties

Absolute loss for Nylander...but for the Leafs? Sure, it would be great if he signed and played...but if the choice is sell low or let him sit? Easy choice....he sits.

 

[CheMxDawG]

As far as the Leafs not having the leverage...yes they do.

As far as the Leafs can't let him sit...yes they can.

There are 3 options:
1. Sign Nylander to a deal that works for the team.
2. Trade Nylander for a deal that works for the team.
3. Sit Nylander.

In no way are they forced to trade him in a deal they don't like.

1. Nylander refuses team friendly contract -- Leafs lose, Willie's fault
2. Leafs can't find a trade partner willing to overpay for Willie, back to square 1 -- Leafs lose, Dubas' fault
3. Everybody loses this one in my opinion -- Double the losses, everybody's fault

I don't think leverage is in anybody's favor here to be honest, Willie wants to get paid and Dubas wants to ice the best team he can but neither side is willing to budge.

Good thing this whole debacle will be sorted out soon, can't wait to see who wins this epic battle

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

I would rather see him sit, than get traded for your injury prone 3rd string D man.

this line of thinking is terrible lol

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Absolute loss for Nylander...but for the Leafs? Sure, it would be great if he signed and played...but if the choice is sell low or let him sit? Easy choice....he sits.

and then hell sit again the next year

Because news flash, players values drop after sitting a year not rise.

 

[Jerkob Slavin]

Toronto entertains NO deal with CAR with Pesce as the piece coming back. Not even close value for Willy Nylander.

If CAR wants Nylander that bad, the price is Slavin straight up. Don't like it, too bad...you are not getting Nylander for anything less. If you want a young 22 yo stud, you are going to pay.

I know you love your guy, but in what world is a 60 point winger worth a 1D? Even if you never watch Slavin and consider him a #2D based on metrics/stats, Slavin's contract term and $$$ still makes him untouchable for William F'n Nylander.

It's been said ad nauseum.... you want Slavin, it is going to hurt. Nylander doesn't get it done.

I still think Pesce is the best offer you are going to get (from any team). If that doesn't get it done, fine. Our window isn't now. We can wait and watch Svechnikov develop and add some more weapons for a run next year (after we upgrade in net).

 

[34]

this line of thinking is terrible lol

No it is not. Toronto is not going to give a free gift to any other team. Sorry.

 

[KPower]

So theres no downsidenin Nylander sitting from a Leafs perspective?

No pressure that a wasted asset is on the sidelines ??

Hmmm i dont think you see things from management POV.

They want to win now while their young stars are on ELC. They cant keep playing this game w nylander.

Sign him or move him.

Sitting would be a massive L for both parties

Of course sitting is a loss for both sides but overpaying him or trading for scraps would be a disaster.

 

[haveandare]

As far as bridges burnt, it's not the Leafs who have to worry about that, its Nylander.
If he sits this season and then refuses to sign in TO and demands a trade, it means nothing. Leafs can sit him next year too, if they want. In fact, they can sit him until he's 27.
If he wants out, the quickest way is to sign a bridge deal, perform well his year and get dealt in the summer in a FAIR trade that benefits Toronto.

Any other thought of leverage on his side is just a wet dream from salty fans of other teams.

Not really. The leverage he has is that if the Leafs sign him now they can very possibly win this year before they have to re-sign a ton of big players next year. People keep saying it's fine if he sits, and it's easy to say that now. Wait until the Leafs are deep in the playoffs and it's looking like another productive forward or a d-man they could have gotten for him in return could stave off elimination or win them a cup. The same people who think him sitting is so acceptable right now will be rioting, and rightfully so.

 

[Liferleafer]

1. Nylander refuses team friendly contract -- Leafs lose, Willie's fault
2. Leafs can't find a trade partner willing to overpay for Willie, back to square 1 -- Leafs lose, Dubas' fault
3. Everybody loses this one in my opinion -- Double the losses, everybody's fault

I don't think leverage is in anybody's favor here to be honest, Willie wants to get paid and Dubas wants to ice the best team he can but neither side is willing to budge.

Good thing this whole debacle will be sorted out soon, can't wait to see who wins this epic battle

1. Nylander refuses market comparable contract...
2. Leafs can't force a team to trade....
3. Yes...everyone loses.

 

[Liferleafer]

and then hell sit again the next year

Because news flash, players values drop after sitting a year not rise.

And your point is? Once again, if a trade is there that the Leafs like...then they trade him. But they won't be taking a loss because folks think Dubas has his nuts in a sling....

 

[Brock Radunske]

So theres no downsidenin Nylander sitting from a Leafs perspective?

No pressure that a wasted asset is on the sidelines ??

Hmmm i dont think you see things from management POV.

They want to win now while their young stars are on ELC. They cant keep playing this game w nylander.

Sign him or move him.

Sitting would be a massive L for both parties

I never said there wasnt pressure and there is a downside of course. This is a shitty situation. But that doesn't mean that the Leafs brass need to roll over on this.
Nylander stands to be the biggest loser here and it's not even close. He literally has no leverage, this is going to be his prime years to make a case for his biggest contract (27+) and the Leafs are currently tied for 1st in the league without him.

But of course, everyone thinks that TO is going to be forced to trade their silver dollar for a couple quarters.

 

[Stephen Gionta]

Dougie Hamilton for Nylander makes a lot of sense to me...

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

I would rather see him sit, than get traded for your injury prone 3rd string D man.

Not sure which Dman youre talking about but all i was saying is the Leafs cant just brush dirt of their should lile no big deal if Nylander sits.

Hugge Loss.

Dubas needs to do his job and get maximum return for Nylander.

It will be interesting to see what happens in 48 hrs and see which side wins or if theres still even a possible win win scenario still.


But like i said... massive L for both sides if Nylander sits.

 

[haveandare]

Meh. Liljren has done nothing to indicate he is gonna be of anything of value in the AHL he is a tire fire defensively and can barely get 0.5 ppg in the AHL. He is nothing more than a throw in prospect. Leafs fans acting like he is some bluechip prospect doesnt change the fact that he is gonna be nothing more than a tweener his whole career. That trade is horrible for Carolina.

He's 19 and in the AHL... .5ppg is good for someone in that position.

 

[Saekk]

Maybe he sits for the years and we can hit thread number 50 or something!

Oh god no.

 

[inthe6ix]

So theres no downsidenin Nylander sitting from a Leafs perspective?

No pressure that a wasted asset is on the sidelines ??

Hmmm i dont think you see things from management POV.

They want to win now while their young stars are on ELC. They cant keep playing this game w nylander.

Sign him or move him.

Sitting would be a massive L for both parties

you don't make a bad trade just because the optics look bad in the media

if he doesn't sign and the right trade is not out there, we let him sit and move on

last I checked we were 18-8 without him, with O the least of our concerns, so it may be tough, but I believe just perhaps we can survive the rest of the season if he (or his dad) decides to pout on the sidelines instead of being part of something special

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

And your point is?

Toronto will literally have to sell him eventually, unless you think Dubas is going to allow his franchise to be the one who sits a player multiple years in a row

Dubas will never let that happen. The sooner you trade him the better the offer is. Sit a year? Offers lower. Willing to sit again? May be worth almost nothing