Value of: Nylander (Trade)

[Nanuuk]

Recent signings (Aho, Bratt) seem to suggest that the rule of thumb these days is 100,000 X recent of average point total.

Nylander has 82 points last season and a career 82 game average of 68.

I don't think he is a $10M man and he won't get that from Treliving. I suspect other GM's will feel the same way.

So, any sign and extend before a trade or trade, then sign will most likely come in below $10M.

I feel a lot of people over value William because they think he is going to get $10M.

 

[Grinner]

A lot of people seem to underrate Nylander just because they hate the Leafs.

Hate on the Leafs? That must be a Canadian thing

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

I would take Nylander over Dubois quite easily.

From a skills perspective no question . I think Nylander has another gear yet . A few 90 pt seasons are in the offing me thinks . He’s incredibly talented

 

[racingmoose]

Can't resist....how about Kuznetsov, Mantha, and a 2nd?

 

[Baberham Lincoln]

I’ve always wanted Nylander to play for the NY Islanders. It just seems right.

 

[TheKrebsCycle]

Can't resist....how about Kuznetsov, Mantha, and a 2nd?

Barf . None of those assets have much value

 

[leafsfan5]

Hanifin is much better than Rielly. He had 41 points last year and sucked defensively. Get real

And also has 18 points in his last 18 playoff games, 3rd in the league for playoff PPG among defenseman during that time (Makar/Fox ahead) while also having solid advanced stats in a top pair role

Rielly turns into a superstar when the games matter, Hanifin is not better than him

 

[Haatley]

And also has 18 points in his last 18 playoff games, 3rd in the league for playoff PPG among defenseman during that time (Makar/Fox ahead) while also having solid advanced stats in a top pair role

Rielly turns into a superstar when the games matter, Hanifin is not better than him

He had a 49.7% CF at 5 on 5 in this most recent playoff. Where are the "solid advanced stats?"

 

[leafsfan5]

He had a 49.7% CF at 5 on 5 in this most recent playoff. Where are the "solid advanced stats?"

55.85 xGF% while also dominating the high danger chances at 61.29%

Regarding the CF, the opponent shot a bunch of low danger chances at the net while he's on the ice, who cares

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Wait wait, wait...

Nylander is available? This is news to me.

I f***ing love/hate being a Leafs fan.

Wow, no I don't...........

Always a complete load of shit.

It's the middle of summer and I don't actually care, nor will I be surprised whatever happens next.

Don't want to be a Leaf? F off then. This new GM probably sucks too.

 

[Haatley]

55.85 xGF% while also dominating the high danger chances at 61.29%

Regarding the CF, the opponent shot a bunch of low danger chances at the net while he's on the ice, who cares

He had, by a fair margin, the lowest percentage of defensive zone starts of all Leaf defenders. And by a fair margin, the highest percentage of offensive zone starts of all Leaf defenders. He also had by far the most giveaways and defensive zone giveaways of all Leaf defenders.

He got a lot of points. He still wasn't good defensively. There's a difference.

 

[SensFactor]

Nylander for Karlsson (with retainment)+picks/prospects

 

[PensandCaps]

I dunno how you can read this thread and come to the conclusion he's underrated lmao...

Because it seems alot of fans think he's worth peanuts.

 

[PensandCaps]

And also has 18 points in his last 18 playoff games, 3rd in the league for playoff PPG among defenseman during that time (Makar/Fox ahead) while also having solid advanced stats in a top pair role

Rielly turns into a superstar when the games matter, Hanifin is not better than him

Rielly is garbage defensively. While Hanifin is nothing too special, at least he's good at both ends of the ice.

 

[Grinner]

Nylander for Karlsson (with retainment)+picks/prospects

Not this again.

 

[leafsfan5]

He had, by a fair margin, the lowest percentage of defensive zone starts of all Leaf defenders. And by a fair margin, the highest percentage of offensive zone starts of all Leaf defenders. He also had by far the most giveaways and defensive zone giveaways of all Leaf defenders.

He got a lot of points. He still wasn't good defensively. There's a difference.

He was also 3rd among the defensive core for expected goals against, and 1st in limiting shot attempts against per/60. He wasn't some elite defensive player but his insane offense heavily outweighed any defensive defencies he had.

When Rielly was on the ice the Leafs had a 61 xGF%, when he was off the ice they had a 46 xGF%. His value in the playoffs was astronomical, especially when his skillset (generating offense) is the single toughest thing to do come playoff time

 

[DougGilmour93]

That’s just like… your opinion man.


Realistically. A 2024 1st valued around 20th overall and a B+ prospect like Zary.

calgary isn’t a fit but that’s what I’d say his value is. ~20th OA pick in 2024 + Zary Level prospect. The ability to pay him $10mm per on his next deal makes him less valuable.

You mean… Hanifin + Zary + 1st … right???
Cause surely you aren’t getting Nylander in his prime for just a late first and a B prospect…

 

[zar]

And also has 18 points in his last 18 playoff games, 3rd in the league for playoff PPG among defenseman during that time (Makar/Fox ahead) while also having solid advanced stats in a top pair role

Rielly turns into a superstar when the games matter, Hanifin is not better than him

He’s actually 4th (you omitted Pionk).

For the record, I agree… Rielly is way better than Hanafin. Morgan Rielly had a tough season last year but if Hanafin were in his place it would have been significantly worse.

Leafs would be making a huge mistake to make that exchange. Pesce on the other hand…

 

[leafsfan5]

He’s actually 4th (you omitted Pionk).

For the record, I agree… Rielly is way better than Hanafin. Morgan Rielly had a tough season last year but if Hanafin were in his place it would have been significantly worse.

Leafs would be making a huge mistake to make that exchange. Pesce on the other hand…

That is true, though it’s important to note Pionk has played just 5 playoff games compared to Rielly playing 18, Makar with 26 and Fox with 27

 

[thehoffs]

And also has 18 points in his last 18 playoff games, 3rd in the league for playoff PPG among defenseman during that time (Makar/Fox ahead) while also having solid advanced stats in a top pair role

Rielly turns into a superstar when the games matter, Hanifin is not better than him

Problem is his point totals an are also inflated from the calibre of players he plays with. He won’t be the same if expected to drive play.

It’s also why he’s at most $8.5m

They are saying Lindholm lands in the $8.5 to 9.0 range and how can Nylander be worth more than a Center with Selke votes.

If Nylander is smart he just walks to UFA unless a team overpays as it’s likely he’s going to repeat having inflated point totals.

Granted I think Toronto we hard pressed to take a top 3 divisional seat this year and could be wildcard diving.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I’ve always wanted Nylander to play for the NY Islanders. It just seems right.

And Drouin should be a Bruin.

You mean… Hanifin + Zary + 1st … right???
Cause surely you aren’t getting Nylander in his prime for just a late first and a B prospect…

Correct. Toronto would also be getting Steve Capspace.

 

[zar]

That is true, though it’s important to note Pionk has played just 5 playoff games compared to Rielly playing 18, Makar with 26 and Fox with 27

For sure but there were no conditions in your statement.

 

[ZEBROA]

Cant compare with other teams players when it comes to salary. If that was the case he would get almost no raise at all. He is better then the 11mill player on his line. One of the better players when not playing with same dude in the playoffs.

 

[Haatley]

He was also 3rd among the defensive core for expected goals against, and 1st in limiting shot attempts against per/60. He wasn't some elite defensive player but his insane offense heavily outweighed any defensive defencies he had.

When Rielly was on the ice the Leafs had a 61 xGF%, when he was off the ice they had a 46 xGF%. His value in the playoffs was astronomical, especially when his skillset (generating offense) is the single toughest thing to do come playoff time

Tell me more...

 

[KevinRedkey]

Recent signings (Aho, Bratt) seem to suggest that the rule of thumb these days is 100,000 X recent of average point total.

Nylander has 82 points last season and a career 82 game average of 68.

I don't think he is a $10M man and he won't get that from Treliving. I suspect other GM's will feel the same way.

So, any sign and extend before a trade or trade, then sign will most likely come in below $10M.

I feel a lot of people over value William because they think he is going to get $10M.

Aho's paced for 80pts per 82 games over the last 3 seasons. He got 9.750
Nylander's pace is exactly the same.

Aho deserves more (than Nylander) because he's a true center but he's also coming off 67 points compared to Nylander's 87. There's certainly a difference there.

Is Nylander worth 10.000? Probably not, but his market value as a UFA starts with a 9 IMO