I don't think they're "screwed", but I also think the math is off if you think there's no problems to solve at all. There's also some questionmarks about whether it's really a viable plan for cup contending to keep patching holes on defense/goalie with bargain bin solutions.
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Its 33.4 mil with 12 players signed so it's 16 signed. You have your top 6 forwards signed, 4 of your bottom 6 players signed, Your top 5 defencemen signed and a goalie. The biggest question is the goalie. 7.4 million to sign your 11,and 12 th forwards and 6th dman plus a goalie is not unrealistic. Teams do this every year.
There is also a lot of motivation for both players to sign with their new teams. Hanifin reunites with both Brodie and Giordano, as well as treliving in the front office who went out of his way to acquire him the first time. Nylander returns to his technical hometown, and joins a rather large contingent of Swedes on the roster with Lindholm, Backlund, Andersson, Kylington, and Markstrom. Think Calgary would be extremely motivated to make this trade, could see them adding some mid round picks and/or Dube as well. Calgary’s forward core starts slotting extremely well by adding Nylander:
As I answered Golden Jet. they have 12 players under contract next year. So its 2 forwards a defenceman and a goalie.
That’s part of the picture; other factors include the number of teams with which he’s willing to sign and whether or not Toronto retaining him is a realistic option. If Toronto “has” to move him (or lose him for nothing) and he’ll only sign an extension with one team then that team has the Leafs over a barrel; if he’s willing to stay in Toronto for a price the Leafs can realistically afford or if he’s willing to sign a reasonably extension with whoever he’s traded to then Toronto has far more leverage than in the previous scenario.
Yea, to me it’s a perfect trade for both teams. Figure out the resigning later. I just know I’ve been screaming for the last 3 years, they need that second pair carrying Dman, and here’s a chance to get one. Don’t need the points from him. Similar to Vegas not needing the points from Pietrangelo. Just that he controls the pace. Hanifin does that.
I think those are all optimistic, especially if the cap does rise a decent amount. Depending on health/performance from Bertuzzi especially, more injuries make him cheaper ofc.
Pecse,Hannifan,Toews,Skjei, are the top teir with Toews being the best then there is Montour,Roy,Martinez,Barrie,Klingberg,Grezlyk,Zadorov,Myers,DeMelo,Walker and Dillion. All Dmen that are top 4 dmen to various degrees. Non of these players are fillers. Several of the second tier re going for less than 5 million.
I think we have a different idea of what caliber of d-man the Leafs really need. If you sign a Zadorov and Myers thinking they're the missing pieces for a cup run you may end up disappointed.
How about the other 13 Dmen listed? Funny how you arbitrarily pick 2 that have the exact same strengths and weaknesses. I bet you love to use SSS to prove statistical points too.
Forgive me for not believing Montour's going to hit the open market and sign for 4.5 mil after a 70+ point season and playoffs worthy of Conn Smythe talk.
Who said Montour is signing for 4.5? I see him somewhere around 6 to 7 if he even comes close to the numbers from last year. See you do love SSS you pick his playoffs as his level and not the 8 other seasons of poor performance. Also his defensive partner was Marc Staal. How would you rate him? He cost 1 million. So to have a second pairing on your defence with a player that was Conn Smythe worthy should cost less than 5 million dollars. Neither player cost Florida anything to acquire. So how is 10 million not enough to find 2 top 4 defenders?
I agree, if Nylander is traded it’s a hockey trade. The Leafs would rather keep him and Lose him for nothing than downgrade to prospects while they are in their window.
And only about 1/3rd of those guys probably make it to UFA anyway. There's a lot of assumptions to make Toronto's cap situation unproblematic. Even favorable contracts to Bertuzzi, Nylander, and two UFA d-men for a combined 10 mil still leaves very little room for the rest of the roster which includes little things like goaltending.
Maybe/Maybe not. It's a year away and lots of trades or poor seasons to be had.
Assuming that everyone with an interest in seeing Toronto make constructive moves towards winning a cup is a "hater" seems to be what helps Leafs fans sleep at night. Your roster construction designed to prove any cap concerns false barely gets them to a minimum size roster.
How is that any different to what the current cup winners Vegas has done? Or 2/3 of the entire league does each year? Creating extra cap for 4th liners, 6/7 dmen types by trading a top six forward is not a winning strategy by any stretch.
He could always be traded for futures and then the futures be turned around for something else, though.
Unless ‘something else’ is in stone, or part of a 3-way. I doubt the Leafs acquire the futures, only to ‘hope’ that they can be parlayed into something else.
Unless they absolutely get hosed in a trade, the futures acquired would almost certainly return something of significant value.
