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Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

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Dekes For Days said:
Has nothing to do with "balls". What players are paid isn't about how many playoff rounds the team won, for any team.
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No its about having a tender that sucks and having a coach that lets the team play a style that maximizes individual point tallies and minimizes playoff success.

Its worked brilliantly for every contract so far. We are winning the high priced player cup by far. We have the top paid 3 others in the top 11 or 12.

Its really brilliant. I cant wait to see what happens next. Maybe sign jones for 5 mil next season. So much possibility. Arent you stoked Dekes cuz i am really really stoked
 
Dekes For Days said:
Historically, it does. People don't seem to get that doing something at 21 is very different than doing something for half a season in the middle of your peak at 27, and it has very different impacts on contracts. Also, comparing those two seasons strictly by point totals skews their actual relative quality and impact. Also, term was mentioned, but term has complete opposite effects for those two types of contracts.
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But regardless he set the bar with his goofy contract and you can’t justify that , the season he had could easily be an outlier it was a big jump contract year

ToneDog said:
With all the money came lots of ill will from many of the fans. Add that Leafs had to leak out what he was rejecting, that the deal would put them in cap hell, he bought himself zero goodwill from some Leafs fans.

When compared with the Marner deal, Nylander's new deal is more digestible.
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Thanks to marners rfa deal
 
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Jojalu said:
There hhas been 4 games Nylander hasn't recorded a point.

The first 3 after the Sweden trip, then once last week.

He leads the league in % of games with a point this year.

If only he hadn't hit the post so often in those games after Sweden, he would be on an alltime run
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Wow, really? I didn't remember that but yeah, I do remember some people were all over him around that time saying all kinds of nonsense about how now that the Sweden trip wasn't done he didn't care any more (paraphrasing). They look silly now, and Nylander looks like a superstar!

Anyhow, I'm not happy with the AAV combined with the NMC but at least I can just be happy when he has a great game now, instead of thinking in the back of my mind oh f***, there goes another million.
Ziggdiezan said:
Marner put up more points as like a 21 or 22 year old than Nylander has in his entire career to date. And that was before league scoring started to increase a ton the last couple years. That is why Marner got than insane contract (which I think was an overpayment but people are forgetting the season Mitch had as basically a kid still)
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The thing that pisses me off the most about that contract is that if Marner was a UFA, you could maybe justify paying him 11 million. But he was an RFA FFS, Dubas had leverage and he refused to use it. Instead he went public saying that he wanted to get Marner signed fast because he "learned" from the Nylander negotiations which basically handed all the leverage to Marner's agent and boy did he ever use it.
 
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Sypher04 said:
Yes they made a big move. There isn’t anything to suggest however they wouldn’t have been able to make a similar run without the move. Also it’s not like players like Tkachuk are often available let alone want to be traded to and signed 8 years specifically in your city. Florida also gave up a very good D and I believe a 1st to make that move happen.

Changing vs not changing your core is going to vary from team to team in effectiveness and the model for the Calgary/Florida swap isn’t exactly a template one can realistically follow.
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The Jets are another example of how moving on from a good player or players can have a positive effect. Las Vegas comes to mind as another who are able to acknowledge change is needed and then do something about it.
 
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Ciao said:
The Nylander contract is good for the Leafs.

Nylander is a very good player, and the Leafs now have him under contract for the rest of his career.

They drafted him. He's now spent about nine years within the system, including parts of nine seasons with the Leafs. He is a high quality hockey asset and gives the franchise some stability in its player personnel.

The shock and awe at the cost of his contract will fade as time goes by. There will be inflation, and the contracts of lesser players will surpass that of Nylander.

For a very long time, the Toronto Maple Leafs were not able to attract, acquire and retain star players. The fact they now have some high quality star players on the roster is a very good thing.

It's up to management as to how to pay them, and how to manage the rest of the salary-cap. That doesn't worry me, as there is not a lot of difference between the bottom of the roster players and the talent pool that is available outside the system.

It's the top-of-the-line up players that are in high demand, and it's good that the Leafs have so many of them for a change.
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Until this group shows some serious backbone/resolve when it counts then having a bunch of star players feels like empty calories. Like a previous poster said, just leave it all out there and dont turn in to cupcakes or just wilt when the going gets tough ie playoffs and fans will be satisfied or at least more satisfied, win or lose.

For the record I really like Nylanders offensive game and his growth in that regard (got some issues with his pull ups to avoid contact but thats for another thread) and would probably keep him over 16 but overall Im in the camp that feels like this team is built slightly wrong with 4 similar style no jam forwards taking up so much of the cap. More balance is needed imo if we want a real shot at the big prize.
 
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myleafs said:
Until this group shows some serious backbone/resolve when it counts then having a bunch of star players feels like empty calories. Like a previous poster said, just leave it all out there and dont turn in to cupcakes or just wilt when the going gets tough ie playoffs and fans will be satisfied or at least more satisfied, win or lose.

For the record I really like Nylanders offensive game and his growth in that regard (got some issues with his pull ups to avoid contact but thats for another thread) and would probably keep him over 16 but overall Im in the camp that feels like this team is built slightly wrong with 4 similar style no jam forwards taking up so much of the cap. More balance is needed imo if we want a real shot at the big prize.
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Every game counts, it’s a long season, a long winter
 
myleafs said:
Until this group shows some serious backbone/resolve when it counts then having a bunch of star players feels like empty calories. Like a previous poster said, just leave it all out there and dont turn in to cupcakes or just wilt when the going gets tough ie playoffs and fans will be satisfied or at least more satisfied, win or lose.

For the record I really like Nylanders offensive game and his growth in that regard (got some issues with his pull ups to avoid contact but thats for another thread) and would probably keep him over 16 but overall Im in the camp that feels like this team is built slightly wrong with 4 similar style no jam forwards taking up so much of the cap. More balance is needed imo if we want a real shot at the big prize.
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They've looked great the last few nights.
 
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myleafs said:
The Jets are another example of how moving on from a good player or players can have a positive effect. Las Vegas comes to mind as another who are able to acknowledge change is needed and then do something about it.
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Canucks traded Horvat for what? 2nd overall and like the Jets, they have a goalie.
 
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Sypher04 said:
To a point. Wheeler and Dubois were both cancers so they were addition by subtraction
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Fair enough though I do not know these players personally (do you or is that just a from afar opinion?) so I cant say if I agree or not but using that argument then I would counter that all our top paid forwards are soft and lack the jam and resolve to battle through the playoffs. So addition by subtraction if you replace them with something else like the Jets did right? We have 1 lousy got outplayed series in 7 yrs. Im having a hard time just being ok with running it back over and over with pretty much the exact same results and being told how talented and skilled we are and how foolish the leafs would be to move on from 1 or 2 of our 4 top 10 caps in the league.
 
myleafs said:
Fair enough though I do not know these players personally (do you or is that just a from afar opinion?) so I cant say if I agree or not but using that argument then I would counter that all our top paid forwards are soft and lack the jam and resolve to battle through the playoffs. So addition by subtraction if you replace them with something else like the Jets did right? We have 1 lousy got outplayed series in 7 yrs. Im having a hard time just being ok with running it back over and over with pretty much the exact same results and being told how talented and skilled we are and how foolish the leafs would be to move on from 1 or 2 of our 4 top 10 caps in the league.
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What have the Jets accomplished in the playoffs, no more or less than us
 
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