Confirmed with Link: Nylander signs extension of 8 years - 11.5M AAV

[Rude Dog]

Bit worried to see what unmotivated 88 looks like.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

We will have 4 players in the top 11 in cap hits in the entire league lol

 

[PromisedLand]

Tre believes William Nylander is Peter Parker...

 

[therealkoho]

I wonder if he said the same thing after he signed Huberdeau.

Yes but he added....

"I feel so empowered spending other peoples money, I can't wait to get home to the little woman! Hot damn, we'll be having a hot time in the old town tonight, yee-haw!"

 

[PromisedLand]

I don't like it, and I'm a Nylander supporter, I hated the Marner deal even more so there's that.

This Nylander deal that he signed as a pending UFA is still 10 times better than the shit deal that Marner was given by Dubas as a RFA

 

[Confucius]

Hey man I usually like your posts but that’s a pretty low bar to accept especially when the 4 Amigo's are paid like world beater yet haven’t won squat.

Well I like watching them, they are exciting and for 6 months they play the kind of hockey I grew up playing. Wide open up and down exciting river hockey. Sure it would be great to win in the playoffs but it is different, more tough in your face knock you through the boards hockey. If we are in it great if not I can find other things to do and not miss a beat. During the winter months I feel trapped not much to do, the games are the highlight of my day most of the time. So I like winning during the season.

 

[JKG33]

The cap would have to double for Willie's deal to be second liner money. But none of these deals are expected to age well, look at Benn ffs. Matthews deal is the timeline. One he's done thats $13.5 off the cap and whatever Mitch and Willy are getting is old news. Five playoff runs should be enough chances.

If any of these dipshits could show a fraction of the give-a-shit Benn does the deals wouldn't be bad

 

[studebaker17]

Well I like watching them, they are exciting and for 6 months they play the kind of hockey I grew up playing. Wide open up and down exciting river hockey. Sure it would be great to win in the playoffs but it is different, more tough in your face knock you through the boards hockey. If we are in it great if not I can find other things to do and not miss a beat. During the winter months I feel trapped not much to do, the games are the highlight of my day most of the time. So I like winning during the season.

That's actually a kind of refreshing viewpoint around here .

 

[PromisedLand]

I still can't express in words so here is a meme

 

[notDatsyuk]

LOL your statement was JT had 1 season over a ppg(barely) same is true for nylander..no matter how much you try to move the goalposts

Actually, that's not what I said. I said "barely ppg", because he wasn't 'over'.

Willy is now in his second season 'over', and is 'over' cumulatively in that time span (which JT isn't), and is improving (which JT isn't).

 

[therealkoho]

toronto has one championship in most of our lifetimes, the leafs must have looked at the raptors and just said "hey, lets do that" and paid our best players like we have 15 roster spots.

Cito's Jay's say hi!

Like Michael Nylander just did? People are pretty selective as it suits them.

People just forget good ol Bri, and only just a few months back.

 

[djdev]

Actually, that's not what I said. I said "barely ppg", because he wasn't 'over'.

Willy is now in his second season 'over', and is 'over' cumulatively in that time span (which JT isn't), and is improving (which JT isn't).

?????????
JT had 88 points in 82 games and had 47 goals in his 1st year here(7 more than willys career high) and was a PPG last year as well.

im not gonna continue to debate whether or not JT is going to take between 4-5 mil, or if he should even be forced to, because i dont know that. but if you think hes worth that and nylander is worth close to 3x times what JT is, then you do you. cheers.

 

[djdev]

Cito's Jay's say hi!


People just forget good ol Bri, and only just a few months back.

lol, ahhh yonge street those nights were fun AF

 

[Ciao]

When the Leafs win the Cup this will all be behind us.

 

[therealkoho]

We will have 4 players in the top 11 in cap hits in the entire league lol

And only one in the top 11 in the points race atm

Look no further than JT he is getting the same points he always has but gets dumped on at least 4 times a game and then countless times in other threads during the week. Fans have balls to then say cmon give us a deal. Lol

I thought that Tavares fella was supposed to be retired?

I only hope there is a no marriage clause for a few years.

And no kids either unless it's post-retirement or the family has to live in Sweden during the hockey season.

 

[hockeywiz542]

NHL Rumour Roundup: Leafs considered dealing Nylander; Knights won't sit idle

Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman is convinced the Maple Leafs took a long, hard look at another route with William Nylander before the season began.

www.sportsnet.ca

The new contract between the Toronto Maple Leafs and William Nylander that has been rumoured for days became official on Monday.

While, in recent times, all signs pointed to an agreement between the Swedish star and the club (it wound up being $92 million for eight years) Elliotte Friedman is convinced the organization took a long, hard look at another route with Nylander before the season began.

“I think, over the summer, the Maple Leafs made it clear they were willing to trade Nylander for a top defenceman and there just wasn’t anything out there,” Friedman said on the 32 Thoughts podcast. “And part of the reason is, teams that were going to trade for him, they didn’t know if they were going to be able to sign him [either]. So nobody is trading a good ‘D’ or top ‘D’ for a Nylander you don’t know if you’re going to be able to sign. Look how hard this negotiation was on Toronto; it wasn’t going to be any easier anywhere else.”

Friedman believes, even after the season started, Toronto didn’t close the door on dealing ‘Willy’ until it became clear there was no satisfying swap to make.

“[The Leafs thought] ‘There is in not a defenceman we can get our hands on that’s worth losing this player’ and that is when they dove back into [the negotiations],” he said.

 

[arso40]

Now marner on the other hand we could probably get a haul for

 

[PromisedLand]

The GenZ Muskoka 4 everybody!

 

[-DeMo-]

I understand why Nylander wanted that amount of money

Marner got 10.9M x 6 as an RFA for worse numbers than Nylander the previous season + contract year

From that aspect, why shouldn't Nylander get 11.5M as a UFA pacing for 120 points - more than Marner has ever produced?

However -

WHO THE HELL WAS GOING TO OUTBID US FOR THIS? We just outbid ourselves. No team could give him 8 years. No one was going to give him all the money upfront. No one was going to give him 92M (13.15 x 7)

If you're going to pay him the absolute highest amount of money he's worth, give him the maximum protection, give him the absolute best payout structure and give him the maximum term, which only *you* can offer - why not wait until the end of the season?

other teams don't need to give all the money in 7 that he would get in 8 for it to be more profitable for Nylander, if he signed a 7 year deal he would sign a new contract and get money in year 8 anyways. for example if a team offered 12x7 all Nylander would need to brake even in year 8 on a new contract would be 7.5 million.

and lets be honest if he can't get that after year 7 on the open market what type of player are we going to have in year 6-8 making 11.5?

and a lot of teams can front load contracts.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

Bit worried to see what unmotivated 88 looks like.

Maybe next year but this is his time. I think Willy will be pushing himself non stop all season. Right now he is competing head to head with his boys and he is leading. Why would he take his foot off the pedal? Just riden the wave.

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

NHL Rumour Roundup: Leafs considered dealing Nylander; Knights won't sit idle

Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman is convinced the Maple Leafs took a long, hard look at another route with William Nylander before the season began.

www.sportsnet.ca

The new contract between the Toronto Maple Leafs and William Nylander that has been rumoured for days became official on Monday.

While, in recent times, all signs pointed to an agreement between the Swedish star and the club (it wound up being $92 million for eight years) Elliotte Friedman is convinced the organization took a long, hard look at another route with Nylander before the season began.

“I think, over the summer, the Maple Leafs made it clear they were willing to trade Nylander for a top defenceman and there just wasn’t anything out there,” Friedman said on the 32 Thoughts podcast. “And part of the reason is, teams that were going to trade for him, they didn’t know if they were going to be able to sign him [either]. So nobody is trading a good ‘D’ or top ‘D’ for a Nylander you don’t know if you’re going to be able to sign. Look how hard this negotiation was on Toronto; it wasn’t going to be any easier anywhere else.”

Friedman believes, even after the season started, Toronto didn’t close the door on dealing ‘Willy’ until it became clear there was no satisfying swap to make.

“[The Leafs thought] ‘There is in not a defenceman we can get our hands on that’s worth losing this player’ and that is when they dove back into [the negotiations],” he said.

What makes anyone think the Leafs aren't gonna trade him still?

They just eliminated the biggest obstacle. Nylander is more desirable now. There's absolutely nothing little Mr. Grubby Fingers can do about it either.

Greedy, greedy, greedy.

Take your f***ing money Nylander. If you get traded before deadline don't be surprised. I know you said you wanted to stay here.

Too bad the majority of the fan base doesn't want you here.

Philly just got Drysdale and a 2nd for a prospect. Leafs should be able to do a lot better than that. Now that Nylander is signed the Leafs should be trading him for a 1RHD.

If the other team throws in a goalie too I don't see how Treliving could say no.

 

[notDatsyuk]

The reason being there aren't many teams that can front load the contracts like Leafs can.

Below is the breakdown
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Nylander can invest 10 million for a meagre return of 2% for the year on July 1st as a lumpsum instead of waiting months to do it. Then next year on July 1st he can re-invest 20 million with a span of 12 months - compound it and see how sweet it is compared to getting paid 11.5 over the course of the playing year.

The whole idea of giving out fully front loaded contract is to lower the AAV;

For comparison look at Pasta's contract structure
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How is it that we gave Nylander not only the fully front loaded contract but also full NMC and did not get anything in return in terms of AAV. I just don't understand why does Shanahan keep screwing the pooch so bad

EDIT (adding more info): Here is a signing bonus primer

https://ca.rbcwealthmanagement.com/documents/1943269/1943331/Signing_bonus_planning_for_sports_professionals.pdf/2ebb1a52-d371-4152-8915-8a714163238a

Same applies when you consider the Canada-Sweden tax treaty

View Treaty - Canada.ca

www.treaty-accord.gc.ca

The part you're missing is that his monthly paycheck is smaller.

July 1 he gets 10M, and deposits it a 2%, and for the next 10 months he gets 350K each month. After year 1 he has 13.70.

Another player gets the same 13.5, but only 3.5 bonus.

July 1 he gets 3.5M, and deposits it at 2%, and for the next 10 months he gets 1M each month. After year 1 he has 13.57.

(Those are not particularly correct dates, but just done for simplicity. It's also assuming no expenses and the monthly salary is put in a sock and not invested - investing it would actually bring the final totals closer.)

Yes, there's an advantage in the bonus, but the advantage (assuming 2%) is only 130K.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

NHL Rumour Roundup: Leafs considered dealing Nylander; Knights won't sit idle

Sportsnet's Elliotte Friedman is convinced the Maple Leafs took a long, hard look at another route with William Nylander before the season began.

www.sportsnet.ca

The new contract between the Toronto Maple Leafs and William Nylander that has been rumoured for days became official on Monday.

While, in recent times, all signs pointed to an agreement between the Swedish star and the club (it wound up being $92 million for eight years) Elliotte Friedman is convinced the organization took a long, hard look at another route with Nylander before the season began.

“I think, over the summer, the Maple Leafs made it clear they were willing to trade Nylander for a top defenceman and there just wasn’t anything out there,” Friedman said on the 32 Thoughts podcast. “And part of the reason is, teams that were going to trade for him, they didn’t know if they were going to be able to sign him [either]. So nobody is trading a good ‘D’ or top ‘D’ for a Nylander you don’t know if you’re going to be able to sign. Look how hard this negotiation was on Toronto; it wasn’t going to be any easier anywhere else.”

Friedman believes, even after the season started, Toronto didn’t close the door on dealing ‘Willy’ until it became clear there was no satisfying swap to make.

“[The Leafs thought] ‘There is in not a defenceman we can get our hands on that’s worth losing this player’ and that is when they dove back into [the negotiations],” he said.

First of all, I don't think Friedman knows more than the average poster here. Second, if teams were worried about getting a player they didn't know they could sign, that just means they'd be in the same position as the Leafs. How does he not get that a team trading for, then hoping to sign him has the exact same risk as the Leafs re-signing him? There's literally no difference. A team that might have been thinking about trading for Nylander was taking the exact same risk as the Leafs are. What a silly thing to say. The Rogain seeped into his brain I think.

 

[Squiffy]

What makes anyone think the Leafs aren't gonna trade him still?

They just eliminated the biggest obstacle. Nylander is more desirable now. There's absolutely nothing little Mr. Grubby Fingers can do about it either.

Greedy, greedy, greedy.

Take your f***ing money Nylander. If you get traded before deadline don't be surprised. I know you said you wanted to stay here.

Too bad the majority of the fan base doesn't want you here.

Philly just got Drysdale and a 2nd for a prospect. Leafs should be able to do a lot better than that. Now that Nylander is signed the Leafs should be trading him for a 1RHD.

If the other team throws in a goalie too I don't see how Treliving could say no.

There is zero chance that happens. None. The idea is absurd.

I suggest either more or less beer. Whatever the current level is, isn’t working.

 

[Squiffy]

First of all, I don't think Friedman knows more than the average poster here. Second, if teams were worried about getting a player they didn't know they could sign, that just means they'd be in the same position as the Leafs. How does he not get that a team trading for, then hoping to sign him has the exact same risk as the Leafs re-signing him? There's literally no difference. A team that might have been thinking about trading for Nylander was taking the exact same risk as the Leafs are. What a silly thing to say. The Rogain seeped into his brain I think.

The difference is Toronto drafted him 9 years ago, he wanted to stay here, it’s his home with his buds (joke intended). An acquiring team is taking a way bigger risk that he walks.

Toronto signs him if they decide they’ll pay his price, he wants to stay. Random other team, no guarantee at all he wants to stay, he’ll get the same or better price at a place of his choosing at that point as UFA.