It amazes me I have been hearing for 15 years Florida has this amazing young talent and never gets better.
Proposal: Nylander+ lilegren+ 2019 1st for ekblad
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It amazes me I have been hearing for 15 years Florida has this amazing young talent and never gets better.
TheImpatientPanther
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I think it's even more amazing the richest team in the league hasn't done much either in the last 25 years.
Dubas may not have said it in so many words to the media, but that's what Nylander expects. And if Dubas hasn't gone on record as correcting that, then he's going to look like an ass if he trades Nylander.
Morgs
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Aka, it's hilarious when he's included in any proposal unless it's such a ridiculous clear win that nobody but Nylander could be pissed.
Mans is just so clearly not available.
Hard cap system. Designed to help poor teams like Florida stay afloat.
TheImpatientPanther
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Call it what ya want. All 4 major pro sports leagues need at least a soft cap.
The Leafs have been mismanaged for a while.
They are finally in the right direction just the last 3-4 years.
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I am not the guy you want to be wrong about.
Not that it matters to me in the least, but to be fair, Dubas doesn’t have to comment on record until he would do such a thing and gets questioned by the media about deceiving Nylander.
Honestly though, it would be naive for any player in the league without a no trade/no movement clause to expect to never be moved during the life of their contract. It is a business after all and no GM should corner himself with such promises because you never know when opportunities to strengthen your team will present themselves .
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Nylander+ lilegren+ 2019 1st offer could get almost any d man in the league. Depending on team needs and what direction your team is headed. Might add a bit. A young top six forward a offensive minded future top 4 maybe top 2 d man and 1st which could be any where in the non lottery picks. is a really good offer.
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I think you overvalue our players. We have players with value, but not all of them are worth that much.
I'm sure the fans don't care, but I'm sure the players will, and I'm not just talking about Nylander. There are long term consequences to mistreating players. For example, during the trade deadline a few years ago Mtl wanted Jannik Hansen. Hansen is good friends with Lars Eller, so Hansen asked Eller about Mtl. Well, Eller didn't think he was treated well there, so Hansen nixed any possible trade there.
The hockey world can be a small place.
It's public knowledge that a promise was made. If that promise is broken, no player will take Dubas' word on anything ever again. From listening to players talk, my impression is there are promises and handshake deals made behind closed doors about many different things from opportunities to earn more ice time to being moved along if things don't work out like Dubas did with Leivo. It's not just what's written down on the contract that matters.
What player wants to sign with an organization that they think will screw them over at the earliest convenience? Good luck with those UFAs.
And the expectation isn't that Nylander won't be traded for the length of the contract. It's that he won't be traded as long as Dubas is GM. There's a difference. If Dubas is fired, that means the team isn't doing well, and if that happens the Leafs are free to make changes as they see fit.
As for not making promises, isn't this about the same as giving a player a NTC. If Dubas didn't make that promise, I don't think Nylander signs for the numbers he did without a NTC, and Leafs would be worse off this season for it.
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It is not public knowledge
If it were it would be cap circumvention. Dubas has never said that, so it just heresay. Where is the link to Hanson refusing a trade to Montreal because of Eller? Like anything if it isn't in writing it has no value. Though I agree that promises are made, but saying a promise was made doesn't make it so
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Thank you! But why did you quote some one else to complement me.
Morgs
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Seriously? Nylander said that's what the agreement was in the tweeted quote. So are you implying that Nylander is a liar or that Jonas Siegel is a liar?
And it is not cap circumvention. It's negotiation. Nylander agrees to the contract on the basis of a promise instead of a NTC.
Here I thought this was going to be a reasonable discussion. I should have known better.
It's been a long time, so I can't find the article about Hansen any longer, but it'd be naive to think players don't talk or consult with one another when they have hockey decisions to make. So are you saying this isn't the case?
So in the bold text you're saying a person's word has no value in the hockey business and that Nylander is a liar. Ummm... OK.
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Nylander said but Dubas as far as we know didn't. That is called hearsay. This is what Dubas said publicly
There is no mention of a no trade promise to Nylander. That does not mean one was not made, it only means like I said, it is not public knowledge. Yes of course players talk, usually they have private conversations. Dubas does say that he is not in the habit of trading good young players. Maybe that was interpreted by Nylander as a no trade. The fact is I don't know. Neither do you. All we have is he said and that was quoted by Siegal.
There is no mention of a no trade promise to Nylander. That does not mean one was not made, it only means like I said, it is not public knowledge. Yes of course players talk, usually they have private conversations. Dubas does say that he is not in the habit of trading good young players. Maybe that was interpreted by Nylander as a no trade. The fact is I don't know. Neither do you. All we have is he said and that was quoted by Siegal.
Who cares. We have no idea what happened during negotation. If Nylander is traded I dont think there will be such a big deal, espically if a NTC is not in place. Situations happen like this in other sports aswell. Its a business, move on. You make it seem like it will make Dubas a bad person (because he broke some promise that isnt even confirmed) and that people wont re-sign there contracts because of it.. its not like hes going to trade him away for another struggling winger. If the trade makes the team better (getting some D help) then it is what it is. I dont think players on the team will lose sleep over it, but it may just make Nylander a bit salty but hes making millions and its apart of the job. I think he'll be ok.
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