Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[rojac]

Sign and trade nets him eight years anyway (if he's even asking for eight years).

Says he's not overreacting proceeds blames one play in game two for a series loss.

Insert a circumvention of the profanity filter and stomping my feet here.

It doesn’t need to be a sign and trade. The Leafs trade him to a team before the deadline and that team can sign him to a n eight-year deal anytime before next July 1.

 

[al secord]

Watching Rocky IV, I get the feeling things look bleek now, but Treliving needs to take a trip to Siberia, get some rustic exercise in, then come back with both Matthews and Nylander signed to team-friendly deals.

If Treliving can change, and Matthews can change, and Willy can change....then we all can change!

 

[Kiwi]

The fact that so many are saying trade him after that statement is surprising.. that's the right mentality to and buying in to the team. It's a direct message to Matthews with that statement and I don't blame him. If Matthews wants a million more than anyone in the league then who's to tell Nylander he shouldn't go for every single dollar.

Both of them can fight for every single dollar available and the teams well within it's rights to get rid of them both

They won't get rid of Matthews but Nylander isn't as important to the organization so just so long as he's prepared to accept his stand might get him shipped out of town he can have at it

Business is business but it does have a tendency of biting you in the ass

 

[notbias]

Curious if the fans all think they deserve more than they currently make?
Seems a stretch eh...

Who cares if irrelevant people think that... Should McDavid and Draisaitl make less? They can't get it done.

 

[EGL22]

Well there will be nothing new now as everything seems well discussed and covered in every different way possible and all the love/hate done to death.

Lets wait and see what happens and then we can start up again over the trade or the signing.

All I ask is that either one gets done sooner rather than later and that we don't just keep him as is for this season and he walks for nothing.

I may not be a big Willy fan but I sure as shit don't want to lose him for nothing.

 

[Taylor Halls Teeth]

Good points on Marner's defense. Marner was 3rd in Selke voting and plays big minutes on the PK. That's the big difference between the two and why they're not equal in value.

Feels like Nylander's camp and Matthews' camp at in a game of chicken right now about who's going to accept an offer first, with the Leafs bargaining in the middle.

I get Nylander's position but it's frustrating nonetheless. At the same time Matthews' could show some f***ing leadership and humility by taking a bit less to help encourage his teammate to sign. Imagine being the guy who aggressively got a bit more causing one of their core team members to get traded.

Do we really know hard numbers from either of those two camps? If not I'm not sure there is good guy or a bad guy here. One could be being a lot more flexible than the other and we won't know which.

I'm also not sure how important a Marner versus Nylander comparison is when Marner is now into his full no move. Miitch's team is a year away from looking at numbers so it doesn't make much sense they will jump into the discussion about taking a financial hit for the team. I sort of think this is a bit of an interesting distraction but it won't be a thing that determines anyone's future.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Well there will be nothing new now as everything seems well discussed and covered in every different way possible and all the love/hate done to death.

Lets wait and see what happens and then we can start up again over the trade or the signing.

All I ask is that either one gets done sooner rather than later and that we don't just keep him as is for this season and he walks for nothing.

I may not be a big Willy fan but I sure as shit don't want to lose him for nothing.

It wouldn't be shocking if that's exactly what happens though. While obviously not ideal, teams lose players for nothing in this fashion every year and there will be people saying don't trade him if it weakens the team today and what kind of message does that send to the team, we're in win now modd and so on and so on. And there's always the chance to sign him next summer maybe in February or whatever. And of course all this applies to Matthews too except with his NMC, we might basically be f***ed already no matter what we do.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Watching Rocky IV, I get the feeling things look bleek now, but Treliving needs to take a trip to Siberia, get some rustic exercise in, then come back with both Matthews and Nylander signed to team-friendly deals.

If Treliving can change, and Matthews can change, and Willy can change....then we all can change!

Your shitposting game is totally on point man

 

[Buds17]

It doesn’t need to be a sign and trade. The Leafs trade him to a team before the deadline and that team can sign him to a n eight-year deal anytime before next July 1.

The timing doesn't exactly line up well though if working under the assumption that the Leafs will be in a playoff spot at that point. I can't imagine a team will be eager to part with any tangible assets in trade either as they'll also be looking to compete/remain competitive.

 

[Kurtz]

Why don't we just give him a 1 year 8.8 extension? Some guys are favouring short-term right now because of the upcoming cap explosion. And this way his contract expires at the same time as JT so we can easily afford to give him a raise on that 8.8.

Pretty much the logic Orlov went for, and Willy is 3 years younger than Orlov.

 

[Stephen]

This is one of those deals where I don't see 9 x 8 as much of a discount. It's a fair deal for him. They're not robbing or insulting him with that type of offer.

I find 10+ absurd as that's a ridiculous ask. He's not even remotely close to that level on any team and it would be an immediate overpayment whether someone else or the Leafs do it.

That's where I'm at too.

At the end of the day though, I suppose it is an options for the Leafs to sign him to something in the higher $9's and just reserve the right to move him at a later point if the situation changes.

 

[New Liskeard]

I agree with this. Why should Willy take a discount when Auston will wrench every dollar. Those two need to sit down and talk it over, and agree to take a discount to keep the team together.

Reilly must be livid with all this nonsense going on.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Hingsight is well awesome but I really think Dubas should have let CBJ offersheet marner and taken the 4 first rounders as was reported by some media outlets.

We would have done so much with that with Nylander already inked at 7 AAV.

or signed marner to when he was looking for 8 x 8 before tavares signing and bumping marner's production lol

Oh well...

F*ck Dubas

 

[Jojalu]

Who cares if irrelevant people think that... Should McDavid and Draisaitl make less? They can't get it done.

Out of the top 20 higheat paid players, only 6 have won a Cup and Eichel was just this year.

Everyone would agree that winning is the ultimate goal, but you still need to put a product on the ice that people will pay a tonne of money to come watch. The revenue through merchandise is huge when you have star power.

The Leafs have failed pretty miserably in the playoffs so far.

This year shows how quick it can all change with a deep run.

Tkachuk and Big Bob were considered busta and anvhors and playoff failures. Now every other post mentions how greay a warrior Tkachuk is. Deservedly so. He was great this year. Hopefully next year it is someone on the Leafs that steps up their game

 

[rojac]

The timing doesn't exactly line up well though if working under the assumption that the Leafs will be in a playoff spot at that point. I can't imagine a team will be eager to part with any tangible assets in trade either as they'll also be looking to compete/remain competitive.

But it could happen this summer. The new team would still be able to Sign him to an eight year deal. When I said before the trade deadline, I meant anytime between right now and the deadline.

 

[nuck]

Not sure why you quoted me or what this lengthy ramble has to do with my post.


So what's your point? Are you saying his agent dictates the terms and we should give Matthews whatever he asks for?

You said "Willie can probably get 10 million next summer and if M&M are both going to try to get every penny they can and not give up even a little bit in order to help the team win, what's the motivation for Willie to take less to stay here?" I said "The club can't afford that so its academic. "

You said "if M&M are both going to try to get every penny they can and not give up even a little bit in order to help the team win, what's the motivation for Willie to take less to stay here? I said, to summarize "Take less than what? $10.5M? If he thinks $9.5M is a discount number for his body of work he is mistaken."

Would you have a link to where either Mathew's or Marners camps have said they are not willing to give up even a little bit? Or what number Willie is willing to come down to? No sarcasm, if it exists I haven't seen it.

"We" aren't giving Matthews anything. The club already knows he is in a range they can gag down. They will dicker but they have no leverage except that this is his home franchise so he won't jump to leave it. It won't be an arbitrated agreement based on facts but they will argue he has won a Rocket and an MVP so eventually you either pay what he wants or bid against the market next summer. The NM gives up any leverage for a truly appropriate deal.

They have 21 places to trade Willie with the worst case being they only get rental return but it will be a full season rental to a club who isn't in his bottom 10 so there will be a resigning provision attached. His move will allow them to afford Matthews and Marner. They don't really have any other choice except to hope they don't get beat up too badly on these other deals.

 

[rojac]

You said "Willie can probably get 10 million next summer and if M&M are both going to try to get every penny they can and not give up even a little bit in order to help the team win, what's the motivation for Willie to take less to stay here?" I said "The club can't afford that so its academic. "

You said "if M&M are both going to try to get every penny they can and not give up even a little bit in order to help the team win, what's the motivation for Willie to take less to stay here? I said, to summarize "Take less than what? $10.5M? If he thinks $9.5M is a discount number for his body of work he is mistaken."

Would you have a link to where either Mathew's or Marners camps have said they are not willing to give up even a little bit? Or what number Willie is willing to come down to? No sarcasm, if it exists I haven't seen it.

"We" aren't giving Matthews anything. The club already knows he is in a range they can gag down. They will dicker but they have no leverage except that this is his home franchise so he won't jump to leave it. It won't be an arbitrated agreement based on facts but they will argue he has won a Rocket and an MVP so eventually you either pay what he wants or bid against the market next summer. The NM gives up any leverage for a truly appropriate deal.

They have 22 places to trade Willie with the worst case being they only get rental return but it will be a full season rental to a club who isn't in his bottom 10 so there will be a resigning provision attached. His move will allow them to afford Matthews and Marner. They don't really have any other choice except to can hope they don't get beat up too badly on these other deals.

Just to nitpick, it's 21 places. Toronto can't trade him to themselves.

 

[nuck]

Just to nitpick, it's 21 places. Toronto can't trade him to themselves.

Bazinga! And realistically its 3 or 4 at best, but still more options than the other two.

 

[andora]

This is getting so dumb. For anyone that's actually kept up on this thread and read every post I commend you. I don't know how much time is realistically needed to figure things like these out but it's got to be getting to the point where it's shit or get off the pot

Again even with a new guy who specifically said it's about the logo and the whole team this is nothing but drama again

 

[BM14]

Watching Rocky IV, I get the feeling things look bleek now, but Treliving needs to take a trip to Siberia, get some rustic exercise in, then come back with both Matthews and Nylander signed to team-friendly deals.

If Treliving can change, and Matthews can change, and Willy can change....then we all can change!

Negative.

If Willy dies, he dies.

 

[hfman]

You said "Willie can probably get 10 million next summer and if M&M are both going to try to get every penny they can and not give up even a little bit in order to help the team win, what's the motivation for Willie to take less to stay here?" I said "The club can't afford that so its academic. "

You said "if M&M are both going to try to get every penny they can and not give up even a little bit in order to help the team win, what's the motivation for Willie to take less to stay here? I said, to summarize "Take less than what? $10.5M? If he thinks $9.5M is a discount number for his body of work he is mistaken."

Would you have a link to where either Mathew's or Marners camps have said they are not willing to give up even a little bit? Or what number Willie is willing to come down to? No sarcasm, if it exists I haven't seen it.

"We" aren't giving Matthews anything. The club already knows he is in a range they can gag down. They will dicker but they have no leverage except that this is his home franchise so he won't jump to leave it. It won't be an arbitrated agreement based on facts but they will argue he has won a Rocket and an MVP so eventually you either pay what he wants or bid against the market next summer. The NM gives up any leverage for a truly appropriate deal.

They have 22 places to trade Willie with the worst case being they only get rental return but it will be a full season rental to a club who isn't in his bottom 10 so there will be a resigning provision attached. His move will allow them to afford Matthews and Marner. They don't really have any other choice except to can hope they don't get beat up too badly on these other deals.

Because 44 million isn't good enough for these guys, it has to be 49 million

 

[Boxscore]

They will dicker but they have no leverage except that this is his home franchise so he won't jump to leave it. It won't be an arbitrated agreement based on facts but they will argue he has won a Rocket and an MVP so eventually you either pay what he wants or bid against the market next summer.

And this is exactly what a true leader and player who loves playing for their team does not do. This should be a cordial, mutually-rewarding partnership not a battle in divorce court where the player is trying to leverage their team with threats of walking for nothing unless he gets what he wants. How do people not understand this.

The only players who go down this path are either unhappy or looking for greener pastures -- Tavares, Tkachuk, Dubois, and Gaudreau come to mind. Other superstars who love their teams and want to commit to them do so rather easily -- McDavid, Draisaitl, Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin, MacKinnon, Makar, Kucherov, Hedman, Hughes, Stutzle, etc.

If Matthews heart was truly in Toronto an 8-year, 12.6 mil deal would have been signed the second it could have been. He can say all this stuff about loving the team but actions speak louder than words. Tavares said he wanted to stay in Long Island as well. Time for Matthews to walk the walk.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

So "Others" means Matthews because otherwise you could argue Reily did, you could even argue Bertuzzi and Domi did, especially Domi.

What it means is what does Matthews take?

And what does less mean?

Is less 13 million?

 

[Eternal Leaf]

That's where I'm at too.

At the end of the day though, I suppose it is an options for the Leafs to sign him to something in the higher $9's and just reserve the right to move him at a later point if the situation changes.

Yeah, it depends on what Treliving is seeing on the trade market. They can't just trade him for the sake of it and get robbed. Not only will they lose on Nylander's talent long-term but also a cheap final year with a 40-goal winger.

9 x 8 with a NTC/NMC and a huge signing bonus should be enough. I find it silly that he would even drag things if such a contract is put in front of him considering asking for more on the open market is a major risk.

Maybe he should talk to fellow Swede Klingberg to understand what happens if you negotiate too much. The guy lost millions for the sake of an extra million per year.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Negative.

If Willy dies, he dies.

THROW THE DAMN TOWEL!