Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Fogelhund]

Kadri for unsigned Nylander.

Now half the fans s/b happy.

Matthews gets his $14mm.

Kadri won’t be a Leaf with Shanahan around. You’d think most regular posters would know that by now.

 

[rojac]

I see the new 10.5 rumor as such:

if Willy is seeking 10.5 AAV approx the max he could get from other teams in the UFA market is 7 year deal

10.5 x 7 = 73.5M with other teams with probability of not as lucrative in terms of signing bonuses and front loading the contract
OR
9.2 x 8 = Approx 73.5M with the leafs at max with front loaded signing bonuses.

I really don't think anyone will pay Nylander more than 9.5 a max AAV on the 7 year deal in the UFA market

9.5x7= 66.5M approx

66.5M on 8 year term comes to about 8.32 AAV which can be handsomely front loaded with signing bonuses.

I think Willy is overvaluing himself with 10.5, I really do not think anyone in the league would pay him 10.5 or even 10. Desperate team would pay at max about 9.5 AAV for a total of 66.5M IMO

Hopefully Treliving is doing some similar math with a take it or leave it scenario

Of course, if the Leafs trade Nylander before the trade deadline, he can sign with that new team for 8 x 10 which I assume would be the goal of his agent.

 

[Menzinger]

Pastranak was signed for 6.66M, Nylander is at 6.9M.

Pastranak signed coming off a 70P season [75 games] and Nylander I believe had 62P.

Though Pasta only had that one high scoring season at that point. Nylander actually had the higher NHL ppg

 

[ORRFForever]

Matthews gets his $14mm.

Ugggggg.

 

[Fogelhund]

Cap % - he was in between the 2.

Nylander was coming off back to back 60 point seasons, Pasternak off his first one over 30 (70 pts).

Exactly. Pasta had two seasons of 27 and 26 points. Then the 70 point season. Willy had two 61 point seasons.

Pasta signed for 8.89%, Willy for less at 8.76%.

Though Pasta only had that one high scoring season at that point. Nylander actually had the higher NHL ppg

You are correct. Pasta also signed for a higher % than Willy.

 

[PromisedLand]

Is he forced to retire after the end of the 7 year contract?

He would be 34 when a 7-year contract ends. Impossible to predict from here but if the cap goes up significantly he may not even take a pay cut on that 8th year.

In a competitive market place the option is what is other team willing to pay him as a UFA. My scenarios I designed is based on that and the assumption that there is no team that will pay Nylander 10 AAV on a 7 year deal.

Options for Nylander are:

A) Sign with another team for the max of 7 yr deal, max AAV would be I guess 9 AAV if at all total payout: 63million dollars. No guarantee that they will be able to front load the contract and give 80% to 90% of that contract in signing bonuses like Leafs can.

B) Sign with the Leafs for a total of anywhere between 63 to 65 million on 8 year term, with fully front loaded contract that can be paid out in 80% to 90% in signing bonuses which will come to around 7.87 AAV (63M) to 8.2 AAV (approx. 65M)

C) take short term deal in hopes of getting paid more, risk serious injury and potential of losing future earnings.

I am Brad Treliving this is what I am presenting to Nylander's agent. Take it or leave it. Nylander's choice!

P.S. btw I would present something similar to Matthews as well so it is "fair". You can calculate the upper and lower bound for Matthews starting with 14 X 7 as lower bound and 15 X 7 as upper bound; factor in signing bonuses and front loading of the contract, AND the additional 3 to 5 million per year on average money Matthews makes because he is a Leaf.

Or you can read my post in Matthews' thread

News Article: - Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

Every time I see this title it bugs me, it’s a privilege for this guy to play here. He wouldn’t get near the ad revenue, exposure elsewhere, he plays for a legit contender, he’s pampered beyond belief and we gave him a sweetheart deal. Oh please please, we are so lucky that you’re willing to...

forums.hfboards.com

 

[notbias]

Pastranak was signed for 6.66M, Nylander is at 6.9M.

Pastranak signed coming off a 70P season [75 games] and Nylander I believe had 62P.

And now cap % please (the only thing that matters).

 

[Clark4Ever]

I also think a shorter term extension should be on the table in the 8-9 million range. That would allow us to give Nylander another slight raise (if his play warrants it) once Tavares is off the books.

 

[PromisedLand]

Of course, if the Leafs trade Nylander before the trade deadline, he can sign with that new team for 8 x 10 which I assume would be the goal of his agent.

Which is all fine and dandy, but I am not sure how many teams will value Nylander at 10 AAV and give Nylander 80% to 90% in signing bonuses front loaded at that (basically a buyout proof contract); and a chance to play with the talent he gets to play with on the Leafs.

I really doubt Nylander is valued at 10 AAV around the league.

 

[mapleleaf979]

If im Nylander im not taking 8 million so Matthews can get 13 -14. That is a recipe to destroy team chemistry even further.

 

[Pinkcat]

I think all of us here are overthinkkng and over stressing about this whole thing. I think Nylander and Matthew's will both get signed and with a discount. It's the first time I actually feel like we legit have a team that can play old time hockey mixed with modern hockey... first time where our core players can step on the ice and feel secured and feel big. I still think Trev will go out and get tougher in the bottom 6 and maybe get a good all around dman.... we should all just chill and not feed the media with me panic and shit.

I always thought that when the post ELC mega-contracts were signed that the core players were given a lot of money up front ahead of their earning curve. I perhaps naively believed that the 3rd contracts would be based on fair leaguewide comparables and not the new salary structure invented by previous management.

 

[Nineteen67]

Which is all fine and dandy, but I am not sure how many teams will value Nylander at 10 AAV and give Nylander 80% to 90% in signing bonuses front loaded at that (basically a buyout proof contract); and a chance to play with the talent he gets to play with on the Leafs.

I really doubt Nylander is valued at 10 AAV around the league.

A team that needs scoring might pay close to that. I’m not sure he’s a good fit for Boston but they might kick the tires if he made it to FA.

 

[rojac]

In a competitive market place the option is what is other team willing to pay him as a UFA. My scenarios I designed is based on that and the assumption that there is no team that will pay Nylander 10 AAV on a 7 year deal.

Options for Nylander are:

A) Sign with another team for the max of 7 yr deal, max AAV would be I guess 9 AAV if at all total payout: 63million dollars. No guarantee that they will be able to front load the contract and give 80% to 90% of that contract in signing bonuses like Leafs can.

B) Sign with the Leafs for a total of anywhere between 63 to 65 million on 8 year term, with fully front loaded contract that can be paid out in 80% to 90% in signing bonuses which will come to around 7.87 AAV (63M) to 8.2 AAV (approx. 65M)

C) take short term deal in hopes of getting paid more, risk serious injury and potential of losing future earnings.

I am Brad Treliving this is what I am presenting to Nylander's agent. Take it or leave it. Nylander's choice!

P.S. btw I would present something similar to Matthews as well so it is "fair". You can calculate the upper and lower bound for Matthews starting with 14 X 7 as lower bound and 15 X 7 as upper bound; factor in signing bonuses and front loading of the contract, AND the additional 3 to 5 million per year on average money Matthews makes because he is a Leaf.

Or you can read my post in Matthews' thread

News Article: - Auston Matthews - August 1st., Contract Crickets

Every time I see this title it bugs me, it’s a privilege for this guy to play here. He wouldn’t get near the ad revenue, exposure elsewhere, he plays for a legit contender, he’s pampered beyond belief and we gave him a sweetheart deal. Oh please please, we are so lucky that you’re willing to...

forums.hfboards.com

or

D) Force a trade before the deadline to a team he wants to sign with and sign with them for 8 x 10.

 

[Leafsfan74]

To be honest, for once I agree with Nylanders position. If they are a team that is close like the ever more successful Penguins core decided; they should all agree to take a haircut for the good of the team.

Clearly Matthews will not so he has probably decided that a couple more cars gaining rust in the garage is more valuable than a Cup and a legacy that lasts long after you are gone.

Leaf fans still talk about Bobby Baun and Johnny Bower but fewer talk about Lanny McDonald and Darryl Sittler (outside his 10 point game).

Cups are EVERYTHING to fans and players worth their salt. The irony? If they won a Cup because they took a discount for the team the endorsements would replace their lost income. The whole team would find endorsements.

 

[andora]

Wait so @Throw More Waffles was on point when he argued for months that players get signed on salary cap projections... lol

I hope treliving is talking the trade market right now to atleast see what is there

 

[rocketman588]

I'd be pissed to take a discount so Mitch and Auston can get 12 and 14 mil as well. If I'm taking one it needs to go to collective winning not their pockets

 

[jiggy35]

All I know is the aav of Matthews next contract will be 13.34

 

[34]

If im Nylander im not taking 8 million so Matthews can get 13 -14. That is a recipe to destroy team chemistry even further.

I agree with this. Why should Willy take a discount when Auston will wrench every dollar. Those two need to sit down and talk it over, and agree to take a discount to keep the team together.

 

[Sypher04]

they should all agree to take a haircut for the good of the team.

Clearly Matthews will not so he has probaly decided that a couple more cars gaining rust in the garage is more valuable than a Cup and a legacy that lasts long after you are gone.

That’s not clear at all. We don’t know anything

 

[Throw More Waffles]

Wait so @Throw More Waffles was on point when he argued for months that players get signed on salary cap projections... lol

I hope treliving is talking the trade market right now to atleast see what is there

If Nylander and Matthews sign this year, the cap hit percentage we see will be based on what the cap is when the contract actually BEGINS. Book it.

Then they will continue saying Crosby signed for 17% of cap. Lol, can’t make this stuff up.

 

[Gabriel426]

THE PROBLEM is comparing himself to Auston Matthews. Matthews is Batman for better or for worse. Nylander is Robin’s sidekick.

I am not denying that but AM sets the market.
If AM is signs at 14mil and let’s say AM is 30% better than Willile, then Willie’s market value is 9.8mil.

All the above is an example. By no means am I saying AM’s market value is 14mil. Or AM is 30% better than Willie.

What Willie is doing is waiting for AM to sign, which is fair. Bc if AM is sign at 12mil, and let’s say he is 30% better, then Willie will probably be good at 8.5mil.

 

[Dekes For Days]

If Nylander and Matthews sign this year, the cap hit percentage we see will be based on what the cap is when the contract actually BEGINS.

No, the cap hit percentage is based on when you sign. That's the only cap that exists.

 

[Gabriel426]

If Nylander and Matthews sign this year, the cap hit percentage we see will be based on what the cap is when the contract actually BEGINS. Book it.

Then they will continue saying Crosby signed for 17% of cap. Lol, can’t make this stuff up.

And a short term deal is good for the Leafs

 

[PromisedLand]

A team that needs scoring might pay close to that. I’m not sure he’s a good fit for Boston but they might kick the tires if he made it to FA.

My point still stands. The max Boston can offer him is 7 years. How much total amount is boston going to offer him and what will be the AAV based on the total amount divded by 7 years? Is it going to be buyout proof? is it possible that Nylander may get Matt Duchene treatment in teh future if most of his earnings isnt in signing bonuses?

or

D) Force a trade before the deadline to a team he wants to sign with and sign with them for 8 x 10.

You keep saying 10 AAV but who the hell is paying Nylander 80 million dollars for 10 AAV in the league? If there is a team then sure lets workout a trade.

I really don't think Nylander is valued at 10 AAV around the league. If you think otherwise then we are going to have to agree to disagree

 

[Leafsfan74]

That’s not clear at all. We don’t know anything

It would have been done by now, I guarantee he is squeezing the Leafs for max. dollars.

The team is flawed as salaries are constructed, it was Dubas downfall from the start to overpay these RFAs. It won't get better. Nylander will be the odd man out when it should have been Marner. All three made out like bandits regardless.

it is what it is. People can say "hey, what kind of fan are you?". Follow the team for 40 years of futility and you will understand lol. I was on the old Leaf forum in 2005.

The fanboy days are over replaced with direct logic and straght talk. Sorry, this team isn't wnning a Cup.

in fact, I see they are ranked 4th best odds to wn, anyone k now if a book has a "rest of the field.option".(any team but the Leafs)? I dont care if it is -4000, there wouod be great value there.