Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Clark4Ever]

Vegas won without Nylander.

Trade him

I honestly don't want to trade Nylander, but a precedent really needs to be set here, and I don't think it would have been possible under Dubas.

At the end of the day, Nylander is going to be set for generational wealth regardless of what transpires. That goes for Matthews and Marner as well.

It's time to set the tone for the franchise moving forward.

 

[Balthazar]

Hawks can probably give him 8 X 10M if traded there to play with Bedard

 

[I am Canadian]

Marner kills penalties and is one of the best defensive forwards in the game, while routinely putting up 90+ points. Nylander is an elite offensive talent, capable of 40 goals and 80+ points, but his lack of defensive prowess makes him worth less than Marner.

4M+ less? Nylander is a better goal scorer and produces at the same rate in the playoffs. He also does not get as rattled as Marner does.

I just don't see why the Leafs are going to scoff at Nylander between 9-10M and then bend over backwards for Marner at 12.5-13M

 

[ToDavid]

I feel like that’s a stretch.

He’s got a lot more clients then that. Half the guys on that list are not really compatible to Nylander (depth players/vets rather than a long-term core player). IIRC with Krug it was Boston that moved on.

 

[PromisedLand]

What some have to realize is Nylander's current contract looks great now but I'm going to disagree with it being great when he signed. He was paid in comparison to guys like Pastrnak and Ehjlers and basically got what he wanted, after holding out. Dubas should have shipped him out then instead of caving in. Each year salaries go up so yes it looks good now but we didn't get a steal of a deal when it was signed. Same as M&M. All 3 cases Dubas overpaid and if it happens again we'll be dealing with the same problem filling in the holes and depth.

Hingsight is well awesome but I really think Dubas should have let CBJ offersheet marner and taken the 4 first rounders as was reported by some media outlets.

We would have done so much with that with Nylander already inked at 7 AAV.

or signed marner to when he was looking for 8 x 8 before tavares signing and bumping marner's production lol

Oh well...

 

[Trapper]

I don't listen to CJ, Mirtle or Seigel.

But just saw this on twitter.

Can anyone confirm this from any other sources?

Not sure if it’s all true but it wouldn’t surprise me if Nylander wanted 10 on this team.
It’s time to do now what Dubas should have done the last hold out. Bye.
Get a Dubois package of good hungry skill.

 

[kb]

I disagree with the bolded part. $6.9 million was a decent contract at the time, and one of the best in the league last season. Dubas should have got off his ass and signed the contract at the beginning of that season.

He had no problem readily bending over and gifting Marner $10.9 the next preseason.


If Dubas hadn't dicked around, and just signed Nylander to 6.9 off the hop, then there wouldn't have been controversy surrounding the deal.

Well, no. That contract was always there for Nylander, he just had to come down off his ask at the last hour. It was Nylander's agent that was the issue, nothing wrong with what Dubas did, or what Nylander eventually signed for.

 

[PromisedLand]

Hawks can probably give him 8 X 10M if traded there to play with Bedard

tempting do the hawks rush the rebuild though and give us pieces we want in return?

intriguing though

 

[Fogelhund]

According to the Evolving Wild model, his most likely contract is $9.6 x 8 years at this years cap.

If next year it goes to $88.5, that translates to $10.2 mil.

Their model has mostly been pretty good.

I just don’t think we can afford that. I do t really have an argument agains the numbers and compared to his teammates, he took a much lower number than them last time. His team is wondering why he should do that again, when you look at his numbers last year.

It’s a fair comment really. If they all want to stay together, they all really need to decide how to divide up $30 mil approx between Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

But, it doesn’t look like it will work out that way, so Nylander likely gets moved. It’s unfortunate really, but we can’t do Nylander at $9.6-$10 and Matty and Marner around $12 each, particularly while Tavares is still at $11.

I’m against moving Nylander, but the math is beginning to make it look like we have no choice.

 

[Legion34]

Man, things get really weird around here when discussing contracts. Arguments that are literally all over the place.

Like, I can go in the Matthews thread and everyone is calling him "selfish" and "greedy" for allegedly wanting a 4 year deal on his first ufa contract. The 4 year term is seen as PLAYER friendly and will maximize Matthews career earnings.

Yet in this thread Tavares would apparently not even consider a 4 year deal on his first ufa contract because I guess a four year term is now magically TEAM friendly, not player friendly.

It makes absolutely no sense.


When did he say term? What term PRECISELY? I'm not looking for a made up term based on rumor. I'm looking for REAL proof and evidence. Not propaganda. And regardless, I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that agents will exaggerate other offers as a negotiating tactic and a means of damage control. That's why they use VERY vague terms, as they're not outright lying. Just misleading.

STOP presenting rumor as fact. You need to STOP this.

Sooooo.

I need an agent to say exactly what term….. but even if he did say it. He was probably lying….. good talk as always.

 

[Trapper]

According to the Evolving Wild model, his most likely contract is $9.6 x 8 years at this years cap.

If next year it goes to $88.5, that translates to $10.2 mil.

Their model has mostly been pretty good.

I just don’t think we can afford that. I do t really have an argument agains the numbers and compared to his teammates, he took a much lower number than them last time. His team is wondering why he should do that again, when you look at his numbers last year.

It’s a fair comment really. If they all want to stay together, they all really need to decide how to divide up $30 mil approx between Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

But, it doesn’t look like it will work out that way, so Nylander likely gets moved. It’s unfortunate really, but we can’t do Nylander at $9.6-$10 and Matty and Marner around $12 each, particularly while Tavares is still at $11.

I’m against moving Nylander, but the math is beginning to make it look like we have no choice.

In a cap world you have to pick your players.
Matthews is a no brainer.
You choose one of Nylander/Marner.
Tavares salary should have been a big D.

That’s the top of the line salaries. Then you fill in with guys like Hyman/Domi/Bertuzzi skill/salary levels.

 

[WTFMAN99]

According to the Evolving Wild model, his most likely contract is $9.6 x 8 years at this years cap.

If next year it goes to $88.5, that translates to $10.2 mil.

Their model has mostly been pretty good.

I just don’t think we can afford that. I do t really have an argument agains the numbers and compared to his teammates, he took a much lower number than them last time. His team is wondering why he should do that again, when you look at his numbers last year.

It’s a fair comment really. If they all want to stay together, they all really need to decide how to divide up $30 mil approx between Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

But, it doesn’t look like it will work out that way, so Nylander likely gets moved. It’s unfortunate really, but we can’t do Nylander at $9.6-$10 and Matty and Marner around $12 each, particularly while Tavares is still at $11.

I’m against moving Nylander, but the math is beginning to make it look like we have no choice.

I think they need to be careful with the Matthews contract because Marner's whole mentality last time was the only comparable for him was Matthews even though it was an entirely different position.

The difference now is if Marner doesn't like what the Leafs say, he can just walk.

So if we get suckered into 13-13.5M per...that's 26-27M on 2 players...christ.

 

[Menzinger]

According to the Evolving Wild model, his most likely contract is $9.6 x 8 years at this years cap.

If next year it goes to $88.5, that translates to $10.2 mil.

Their model has mostly been pretty good.

I just don’t think we can afford that. I do t really have an argument agains the numbers and compared to his teammates, he took a much lower number than them last time. His team is wondering why he should do that again, when you look at his numbers last year.

It’s a fair comment really. If they all want to stay together, they all really need to decide how to divide up $30 mil approx between Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

But, it doesn’t look like it will work out that way, so Nylander likely gets moved. It’s unfortunate really, but we can’t do Nylander at $9.6-$10 and Matty and Marner around $12 each, particularly while Tavares is still at $11.

I’m against moving Nylander, but the math is beginning to make it look like we have no choice.

I think the argument In favor of him getting about 9-9.5 books down to 1) the teams best cup chances will be in the next 4-5 years with a Matthews extension and trading him for futures (and lesser assets) doesn't necessarily help that aim. 2) he's still on his current caphit for 1 more season, so the overlap with JT only needs to happen for one season AND it's during a year where we know the cap will jump.

Like with anyone I'm fine trading Nylander if it tangibly makes the team better to compete now in the immediate term. But moving him then also ultimately places twice the burden/expectations on Marner for a task he's so far been unable to handle.

Best case scenario cooler heads prevail in the coming weeks and a compromise deal is reached (or Tre manages to hit a grand slame of a trade).

 

[Gabriel426]

According to the Evolving Wild model, his most likely contract is $9.6 x 8 years at this years cap.

If next year it goes to $88.5, that translates to $10.2 mil.

Their model has mostly been pretty good.

I just don’t think we can afford that. I do t really have an argument agains the numbers and compared to his teammates, he took a much lower number than them last time. His team is wondering why he should do that again, when you look at his numbers last year.

It’s a fair comment really. If they all want to stay together, they all really need to decide how to divide up $30 mil approx between Marner, Matthews and Nylander.

But, it doesn’t look like it will work out that way, so Nylander likely gets moved. It’s unfortunate really, but we can’t do Nylander at $9.6-$10 and Matty and Marner around $12 each, particularly while Tavares is still at $11.

I’m against moving Nylander, but the math is beginning to make it look like we have no choice.

I would say that any model indicating Willie over 9.5mil is not a good model.

 

[Stephen]

I disagree with the bolded part. $6.9 million was a decent contract at the time, and one of the best in the league last season. Dubas should have got off his ass and signed the contract at the beginning of that season.

He had no problem readily bending over and gifting Marner $10.9 the next preseason.


If Dubas hadn't dicked around, and just signed Nylander to 6.9 off the hop, then there wouldn't have been controversy surrounding the deal.

Dubas was just a kid who didn't have a clue what he was doing with those contracts. Well worn territory by this point. Squeezed the wrong guy over a few hundred thousand and proceeded to fork over millions to the remaining two guys, lost out on term on all three.

Still didn't have a damn clue in 2022 when he was squeezing Rasmus Sandin all summer but took Matt Murray at minimal retention. Sweat the small stuff and screwed up the big stuff.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Podcast now with Friedman saying Nylander doesn't want to be the only one to take less.

So if Matthews is announced at 14-14.5M x 3-5 years, okay yea, I can see him saying screw this and pushing for the 10-10.5M x 8 year deal

If Matthews comes in at 12.95-13.25M range for 5-8 years...I could see him coming down to 8.8-9M x 8 years and then we just have to give him a lot of high salary years in the first few years and likely 92% signing bonuses.

(My own thoughts on that contract structure type stuff)

 

[HockeyVirus]

Honestly, sign Tarensenko to 6x6 contract and move Nylander to a hopeful bubble team for their unprotected first and one of their top prospects. Restock the cupboard a bit with likely a mid first or best case a top 10 pick. Prospect adds someone who might be ready next year when we need ELC's.

Hell I wonder if Vancouver is willing to make a deal like that they have done it in the past few years.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Podcast now with Friedman saying Nylander doesn't want to be the only one to take less.

So if Matthews is announced at 14-14.5M x 3-5 years, okay yea, I can see him saying screw this and pushing for the 10-10.5M x 8 year deal

If Matthews comes in at 12.95-13.25M range for 5-8 years...I could see him coming down to 8.8-9M x 8 years and then we just have to give him a lot of high salary years in the first few years and likely 92% signing bonuses.

(My own thoughts on that contract structure type stuff)

Lol. He obviously wants to be here.

Just lock him and Matthews and Marner up in a room until they figure out how many tens of millions of dollars it takes to live a good life.

I'm sitting here by the pool in my backyard enjoying a beautiful day and chatting with you guys on a fraction of the salary of that these guys make.

I hope it doesn't take them too long.

 

[Gabriel426]

Podcast now with Friedman saying Nylander doesn't want to be the only one to take less.

So if Matthews is announced at 14-14.5M x 3-5 years, okay yea, I can see him saying screw this and pushing for the 10-10.5M x 8 year deal

If Matthews comes in at 12.95-13.25M range for 5-8 years...I could see him coming down to 8.8-9M x 8 years and then we just have to give him a lot of high salary years in the first few years and likely 92% signing bonuses.

(My own thoughts on that contract structure type stuff)

That’s fair from Willie. Why should he be the one who takes discount.
Going to see how much money AM is taking. He better don’t think taking a 13mil x 3 yrs deal is doing the Leafs a service.

Lol. He obviously wants to be here.

Just lock him and Matthews and Marner up in a room until they figure how many of tens of millions it takes to live a good life.

I'm sitting here by the pool in my backyard enjoying a beautiful day and chatting with you guys on a fraction of the salary of that these guys make. I hope it doesn't take them too long.

If it is that easy, lol.

 

[I am Canadian]

Well, no. That contract was always there for Nylander, he just had to come down off his ask at the last hour. It was Nylander's agent that was the issue, nothing wrong with what Dubas did, or what Nylander eventually signed for.

That's not the story, let me see if I can pull up a real source.

As I remember, Nylander called Dubas' on the last day asking to get it done, and they settled on a higher contract than what was offered previously. You might be mixing it up with Sandin, who signed the 1.4Mx2 he had all summer.

 

[Gabriel426]

That's not the story, let me see if I can pull up a real source.

As I remember, Nylander called Dubas' on the last day asking to get it done, and they settled on a higher contract than what was offered previously. You might be mixing it up with Sandin, who signed the 1.4Mx2 he had all summer.

That’s what was reported. But one thing people seem to forget is that Willie’s deal is actually 7.4 mil/yr or something like but bc he missed the first part of the season, it averaged out to just under 7mil.

 

[facelessjoe1990]

What teams do we think are on his no trade list?
I like the idea of Seattle. Nylander for Shane Wright and Larsson maybe more.

 

[I am Canadian]

That’s what was reported. But one thing people seem to forget is that Willie’s deal is actually 7.4 mil/yr or something like but bc he missed the first part of the season, it averaged out to just under 7mil.

William Nylander’s lost season: The story behind the negotiations that derailed the Maple Leafs young star

A closer look at how William Nylander's contract stalemate hurt him and the Leafs.

theathletic.com

"The NHLPA told Nylander the contract should be completed by 4:30 ET, but it wasn’t until right around then that Nylander, back home in Sweden, and Gross, stationed in New Jersey, called Dubas.

There was one last full-court press to spark a deal.

The two sides reiterated their positions. For the first time, however, they found common ground toward an agreement. Gross declined to go into further details on what exactly changed."

Seems like Dubas offered more money on what they settled for, unless you have a different source.

 

[kb]

That's not the story, let me see if I can pull up a real source.

As I remember, Nylander called Dubas' on the last day asking to get it done, and they settled on a higher contract than what was offered previously. You might be mixing it up with Sandin, who signed the 1.4Mx2 he had all summer.

Either way, they ended up at a fair number - $6.9 x 6. But I was pretty sure I heard that contract was there too. Less cap hit % than Pasternak, more than Ehlers.

 

[WTFMAN99]

What teams do we think are on his no trade list?
I like the idea of Seattle. Nylander for Shane Wright and Larsson maybe more.

Borgen
Bjorkstrand
1st
Sale

for

Nylander that is willing to sign an extension