Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[kb]

This is a fair take by Nylander's camp TBH

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

You got to find a team willing to pay his ask and he is willing to extend with. Willie for Lindholm does not change anything for Calgary if Willie won't extend there. Even so, why not just overpay Lindholm if you are Calgary and call it a day ?

Because reports are Lindholm does not want to play there anymore. Meanwhile, Nylander probably won't mind going there as long as he's getting paid what he wants.

 

[613Leafer]

Onus is on the team leadership to show their character.

Matthews is the player at bat right now.

Leafs near term future depends on their leadership beginning with Matthews not Nylander.

8 X 12.7-13M would make Matthews the highest paid player in the league. Could anyone even pretend that's a discount?

They certainly didn't for MacKinnon at 8 X 12.6M, and he's a pretty comparable player (far better playoff resume, better points per game over the last 3 years, twice as many top 5 Hart finishes, etc, so the narrative that Matthews IS the 2nd best player in the world is a little misleading).

If Matthews signs a contract like that, he will be paid incredibly well, especially after you factor in the endorsement $$ here, signing bonus structure, etc, and it will immediately reset the entire tone of the organization and encourage players to sign reasonable deals in line with market comparables, instead of trying to squeeze every last penny.

I totally get where Nylander is coming from. Though I do think the media should stop using the term "less", as it suggests a discount. We just want them to take reasonable deals that are fair for both sides.

 

[ToneDog]

Because reports are Lindholm does not want to play there anymore. Meanwhile, Nylander probably won't mind going there as long as he's getting paid what he wants.

I'm saying if Willie won't extend there they'd be trading a player who does not want to be in Calgary for a player that won't extend in Calgary. As such they are no further ahead. My thinking is if the Flames are willing to pay Willie close to $10m, why not offer it to Lindholm and see if it changes his mind? Of course, I do not know whether Lindholm is closer to Huberdeau or Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

 

[I am Canadian]

Either way, they ended up at a fair number - $6.9 x 6. But I was pretty sure I heard that contract was there too. Less cap hit % than Pasternak, more than Ehlers.

Exactly. He had to go through all of that for a fair contract. It's to be expected when Marner & Matthews were overpaid and didn't have to fight in the same manner.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I'm saying if Willie won't extend there they'd be trading a player who does not want to be in Calgary for a player that won't extend in Calgary. As such they are no further ahead. My thinking is if the Flames are willing to pay Willie close to $10m, why not offer it to Lindholm? Of course, I do not know whether Lindholm is closer to Huberdeau or Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

I think that's a conversation you have with the Calgary side and Nylander's camp...

"They're willing to sign you for 10.5M x 8 years if we extend you and then trade you there, would you be open to this?"

Treliving has already navigated a trade like this with Tkachuk and would have rapport with the Calgary staff.

It's basically if Nylander wants $$, okay here it is, this place is offering it, you want to go?

 

[A1LeafNation]

It probably shocked the hell out of him the last time when he saw the Matthews/Marner contract. He thought he was doing well making more than Pastrnak until Dubas blew the doors off with Matthews/Marner.

I don’t blame him for saying hell no this time. Just not here. 2 double digit wingers us not good. One winger, and one D is fine.

Reilly deal was discounted. Nylander too now.

 

[ToneDog]

I think that's a conversation you have with the Calgary side and Nylander's camp...

"They're willing to sign you for 10.5M x 8 years if we extend you and then trade you there, would you be open to this?"

Treliving has already navigated a trade like this with Tkachuk and would have rapport with the Calgary staff.

It's basically if Nylander wants $$, okay here it is, this place is offering it, you want to go?

100%. Of course if Lindholm is coming the other way, he'd have to agree to extend here and for less.

 

[WTFMAN99]

100%. Of course if Lindholm is coming the other way, he'd have to agree to extend here and for less.

I'd feel significantly better about extending Lindholm at 9M x 7 years than Nylander for 9-10M for 8 years.

Centres are more expensive, that's it at the end of the day and I have to imagine Lindholm would be interested, good hockey market, and historically Swedes love it here. Tell Mats to make the call, how are you gonna refuse a Swedish legend?

 

[weems]

I'd feel significantly better about extending Lindholm at 9M x 7 years than Nylander for 9-10M for 8 years.

Centres are more expensive, that's it at the end of the day and I have to imagine Lindholm would be interested, good hockey market, and historically Swedes love it here. Tell Mats to make the call, how are you gonna refuse a Swedish legend?

Lindholm is a really good player.
Not quite as good offensively but better defensively and plays more important position.
It would also allow you to either run 3 lines with Matthews - Tavares - Lindholm down the middle or eventually move Tavares over to wing and have Lindholm center the 2nd line.

 

[Menzinger]

Why are the Flames trading for an expiring contract?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Lindholm is a really good player.
Not quite as good offensively but better defensively and plays more important position.
It would also allow you to either run 3 lines with Matthews - Tavares - Lindholm down the middle or eventually move Tavares over to wing and have Lindholm center the 2nd line.

I really like the idea of a JT-Lindholm-Marner line

Marner gets 2 legit shooting options.

Domi-Matthews-Bertuzzi

Or maybe by new years if Kane is feeling better and is willing to sign 1 year cheap? Bertuzzi-Matthews-Kane

Easy to speculate but I believe it when I see it

Why are the Flames trading for an expiring contract?

Just us wondering if he'd extend there as apart of a trade if it's just about him getting the bag.

 

[Jacquestrapless]

Lmao, Nylander really lobbing a grenade onto Matthews' court.

Now all eyes on Auston to see if he signs a reasonable deal.

TBF, I guess that's how it has to be. The star franchise C making a choice between payday or the team

He asks for less and Nylander stays. He asks for more and Nylander gone

 

[Albz]

Lmao, Nylander really lobbing a grenade onto Matthews' court.

Now all eyes on Auston to see if he signs a reasonable deal.

TBF, I guess that's how it has to be. The star franchise C making a choice between payday or the team

I feel matthews will actually take a discount, how awesome would that be lol. Than Nylander follows him. Hf would lose their shit hahaahh

 

[Clark4Ever]

If it is that easy, lol.

Shouldn't it be though?

I mean seriously, what's the difference between 70 or 80 million dollars? How bad do these guys want to win?

 

[ULF_55]

I mean seriously, what's the difference between 70 or 80 million dollars? How bad do these guys want to win?

Isn't that what Nylander is asking Matthews?

 

[LeafParade]

Lmao, Nylander really lobbing a grenade onto Matthews' court.

Now all eyes on Auston to see if he signs a reasonable deal.

TBF, I guess that's how it has to be. The star franchise C making a choice between payday or the team

He asks for less and Nylander stays. He asks for more and Nylander gone

I can get behind this grenade.
They either all take reasonable deals, or no one does.

 

[rielledup]

I dont understand why people are using comparables from around the league and saying stuff like if Tkachuk signed for 9.5 how can willy want more? Willy is clearly looking at internal comparables based on what he thinks AM is going to sign for and can you blame him?

 

[Clark4Ever]

7 Years x $10 million on any other team in free agency (good luck) = $70 million taking you to age 34.

8 Years x $9.25 million on the Leafs = $74 million taking you to age 35.

Why is this so complicated?

Because of ego, plain an simple.

Isn't that what Nylander is asking Matthews?

It applies to all of them.

 

[realgoodleafs]

Nylander could easily have a 70 point season on another team if he were traded. Then who is giving him 10+ million?

 

[TheMadHatTrick]

I'm saying if Willie won't extend there they'd be trading a player who does not want to be in Calgary for a player that won't extend in Calgary. As such they are no further ahead. My thinking is if the Flames are willing to pay Willie close to $10m, why not offer it to Lindholm and see if it changes his mind? Of course, I do not know whether Lindholm is closer to Huberdeau or Gaudreau and Tkachuk.

Depends what the reasons are for Lindholm wanting out. It may not have anything to do with money. Maybe he wants to play for a contender, maybe his family hates Calgary. If either of those are the case then more money isn't going to sway him any more than it would have Tkachuk.

In Willy's case I think he wouldn't mind playing in Calgary. He was born there. His dad played there. And more importantly, if they're willing to pay him what he wants he'll play anywhere.

If those propositions are in any way accurate, given Living Tree's relationship and familiarity with Lindholm, it seems like a good opportunity for us.

 

[ULF_55]

It applies to all of them.

Yes.

Matthews is up first.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Over 20 years ago. Game is completely different now.

see, now that's what I was told when we were overpaying for our muskoka four.

that the game is different now, that young players contribute much more than in the past, and that you pay for their future abilities (and not their current).

We saw how well that went.

I don't think the game is as different as some fans want to believe it is.

 

[Trapper]

Yes.

Matthews is up first.

They are negotiating with them both.
Matthews doesn’t care about Nylander, but it is in Nylander’s best interest to wait him out.
Then you have Mitch lurking in the weeds watching like a predator.

 

[Buds17]

I dont understand why people are using comparables from around the league and saying stuff like if Tkachuk signed for 9.5 how can willy want more? Willy is clearly looking at internal comparables based on what he thinks AM is going to sign for and can you blame him?

I don't envision these negotiations going anywhere productive if Nylander is truly using a hypothetical Matthews contract as a comparable for his own deal.