Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[hullsy47]

That's another way Dubas got taken to the cleaners on that contract.

The king penguin flew at the right time .

 

[horner]

Who could've seen this coming. We overpay a 4C like Kampf by a million. Now people losing their minds because Nylander wants a million more than they think he deserves. Kampf is overpaid by like ~60%, a $10 million deal for Nylander would overpay him by like 10% but he's definitely the greedy one that needs to go. Plenty of Nylanders out there easy enough to acquire, can't lose Kampf tho!

The problem is we have traded away so many draft picks there is no center dep and no defenceman we havent drafted a defenceman since 2020

Look at it from Nylander pov. He was the fitst to sign and got 6.9. Then he looks on while the other 2 gets 11, like almost TWICE as much for their entire contracts. And then those 2 gets 25 min/game, plays together all the time, gets more pp time etc. Nylander scores more 5vs5, does more on his own in the playoffs and now is his only chance to cash in and of course the Leafs wants him to sign first again and be paid 5-6 million less than the other 2. if the Leafs wants to kiss the other 2's behind, so be it, but Nylander will get PAID next summer.

Yes he will get 9 mil

 

[hullsy47]

Translation: Elliot Friedman drops a scare rumour on behalf of an agent.

I think elliotre has a good relationship with treliving IMO
NYLANDER wants out obviously if he's asking over 9.5

 

[LeafsOHLRangers98]

Nylander will NOT return anything close to Dubois as Nylander will not come with an extention.

Then you don't trade him. You don't make the team significantly worse next season just to move him. Only 4 RW have more points than him the last 3 seasons. Marner, Rantanen, Pasta, Kucherov.

That's the list. Like top RHD, High scoring RW's are hard to find.

 

[dubplatepressure]

Then you don't trade him. You don't make the team significantly worse next season just to move him. Only 4 RW have more points than him the last 3 seasons. Marner, Rantanen, Pasta, Kucherov.

That's the list. Like top RHD, High scoring RW's are hard to find.

Especially in free agency

 

[Ianturnedbull]

IF you trade Nylander who is going to drive your second line?

Tavares is finished and Mathews needs Marner by his side to produce.

Leafs will be a one line team if Willie is moved for a top defender, which is what they really need IMHO.

Tricky situation, Hanafin is the only legit top four available...

Knies/Marner

They'll be fine.

Not every NHL team has Nylander and yet they find more playoff wins than TOR.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think elliotre has a good relationship with treliving IMO
NYLANDER wants out obviously if he's asking over 9.5

Asking 9.5 doesn't mean he wants out, it means he wants what he's worth

 

[Malachi Crunch]

Ottawa
William Nylander

Toronto
Artem Zub
Drake Batherson


Why Ottawa does it:

Batherson is a very good RW but Nylander is, obviously, better. Ottawa also gets some cap relief. Batherson and Zub combine for around a 9.5 cap hit. They will save money this year and still have the chance to extend Nylander with the increase in cap next year. Zub is important but they have a ton of D prospects who need to start playing more (e.g., Lassie, Sanderson, Docker, Klevin). Nylander also has star appeal. Always helps for a small market franchise.

Why Toronto does it:

Batherson, while not Willie, is still a top 6 player with room to grow. He's already a 60-point guy (and PPG the year before) and I can easily see him hit the 70s with Matthews or Tavares beside him. He is signed until 2026/27 for $4,975,000. Great contact! Lots of term. He is also a big guy and not known as a wimp.

Zub also has a lot of term. He is also signed for $4,600,000 until 2026/27. Zub may be a perfect fit for Reilly given he is one of the better defensive d-men in the league. Not overly physical, but not a doormat either.

Toronto puts down 9.5 million (minus Nylander's 7) but have done their big acquisitions for the summer and can round out the line-up with slightly cheaper players (Pancioretty? Domi? Acciari? Reaves?). Also, when the cap goes up, these two guys will be pretty cheap for what they bring.

 

[Hellcat]

M-NTC clause is for 23/24, so does that mean starts July 1, I assume.

Correct.

 

[The Management]

I'd hate to move him anywhere within the division. The return would have to be enormous. Nylander has a lot of hockey left ahead of him.

 

[Hellcat]

Asking 9.5 doesn't mean he wants out, it means he wants what he's worth

100% agree. To be fair there is another winger on this team that already makes 11 mil a year, who in their careers have played close to the same number of games, Willie has played 14 more. Willie has scored more goals, more g/gp, more GWG, he did that with 2 1/2 minutes less ATOI a game than Mitch. The comparable is right there on the roster. Wille does not do PK, he takes nights off, has less assists, is not defensively reliable.

Sometimes the shiny toy you want is not the shiny toy you can afford. Willie is a legit 1st line star, he deserves to be paid as a 1st line star and should not receive shit from the fans for asking for what he rightfully has earned. At the same time Treliving can't force a square peg into a round hole, if signing Willie means icing 4 guys who make $10 mil or more and then gets cap compliant pigeon holed and can only sign 8 forwards who make the league min, Tre shouldn't get shit from the fans if he trades Willie to protect the team. Sometimes things are out of your control and you just need to make the best of a shitty situation.

 

[Racer88]

100% agree. To be fair there is another winger on this team that already makes 11 mil a year, who in their careers have played close to the same number of games, Willie has played 14 more. Willie has scored more goals, more g/gp, more GWG, he did that with 2 1/2 minutes less ATOI a game than Mitch. The comparable is right there on the roster. Wille does not do PK, he takes nights off, has less assists, is not defensively reliable.

Sometimes the shiny toy you want is not the shiny toy you can afford. Willie is a legit 1st line star, he deserves to be paid as a 1st line star and should not receive shit from the fans for asking for what he rightfully has earned. At the same time Treliving can't force a square peg into a round hole, if signing Willie means icing 4 guys who make $10 mil or more and then gets cap compliant pigeon holed and can only sign 8 forwards who make the league min, Tre shouldn't get shit from the fans if he trades Willie to protect the team. Sometimes things are out of your control and you just need to make the best of a shitty situation.

Agreed and its a bad spot Dubas left him in

 

[Nineteen67]

Which seems like nonsense to me because long playoff runs bring in a lot more money.

So if you flip a coin 8 times in a row and it comes up heads every time, does that mean it’s impossible for that coin to come up tails? Or is just one of those statistical oddities that show up occasionally?

It’s not a coin flip, they didn’t build a team that can compete in a long playoff run. If any of those team had made the SCF it’d be equivalent to coin landing on its edge.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Knies/Marner

They'll be fine.

Not every NHL team has Nylander and yet they find more playoff wins than TOR.

100% agree. To be fair there is another winger on this team that already makes 11 mil a year, who in their careers have played close to the same number of games, Willie has played 14 more. Willie has scored more goals, more g/gp, more GWG, he did that with 2 1/2 minutes less ATOI a game than Mitch. The comparable is right there on the roster. Wille does not do PK, he takes nights off, has less assists, is not defensively reliable.

Sometimes the shiny toy you want is not the shiny toy you can afford. Willie is a legit 1st line star, he deserves to be paid as a 1st line star and should not receive shit from the fans for asking for what he rightfully has earned. At the same time Treliving can't force a square peg into a round hole, if signing Willie means icing 4 guys who make $10 mil or more and then gets cap compliant pigeon holed and can only sign 8 forwards who make the league min, Tre shouldn't get shit from the fans if he trades Willie to protect the team. Sometimes things are out of your control and you just need to make the best of a shitty situation.

At 9.5 with rising cap they can afford him, don't forget Muzzin and Murray are off the books after this coming year, as is Brodie, Gio, Lilly and others.

The following year JT and Marner are up, JT if he's back won't be making near 11.

They can easily afford Nylander the question is do they want to

 

[justashadowof]

His numbers out on the NHL market (ignoring the Matthews/Marner/Tavares contracts) demand over $9M aav, maybe up to $9.5M aav. Accepting that Nylander will always protect himself from dangerous contact even in the heat of the most intense playoff games, let's take the lower end of that, $9M aav. That is a fair number on both sides. Is the current regime willing to pay that for its 4th forward? Yes or no? It's sounding like the answer may be no.

 

[Marshy]

Are you honestly comparing making millions of dollars playing professional hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs to digging ditches? I'm confused here. If playing hockey for the Leafs is not an honor, then where is it an honor? Columbus? Dallas? Minnesota? Arizona? Florida? Winnipeg? Washington?

Ya I'm saying digging ditches is the same as pro hockey.

Insert undesirable workplace instead.

 

[Nineteen67]

He's the only one of the younger Leafs whose actually settled down and bought a house, I believe also a Muskoka cottage (obviously that can just be an offseason place like the many other non-Leafs who cottage there), and I would think Marner's fiance who is a local girl likely has a bigger impact on the direction of negotiations than Marner's dad at this phase of his life.

While he's from here which makes it different, he is the one of the 3 guys who has really put down roots in the city, and seems to be at the point in his life where settling down with family close by on both sides of his household may have a larger appeal.

Not saying this with any certainty, but there is reason for optimism on that front. He's around the same age where JT chose to come home for similar reasons along with the state of the team at the time.

Good point. Having a wife help with the negotiations is a little bit different than having parents negotiate.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Yeah let’s trade the only one of the core 4 that shows up in the playoffs. Smart decision making right here folks.

 

[ULF_55]

Knies/Marner

They'll be fine.

Not every NHL team has Nylander and yet they find more playoff wins than TOR.

Knies-Matthews
Tavares-Nylander

Not every team has any Leafs and several make the 2nd. and subsequent rounds of the playoffs without a Triple Double.

 

[Nineteen67]

Are you honestly comparing making millions of dollars playing professional hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs to digging ditches? I'm confused here. If playing hockey for the Leafs is not an honor, then where is it an honor? Columbus? Dallas? Minnesota? Arizona? Florida? Winnipeg? Washington?

Playing for one of the worst franchises in the the NHL is a burden not an honor.

 

[ULF_55]

At 9.5 with rising cap they can afford him, don't forget Muzzin and Murray are off the books after this coming year, as is Brodie, Gio, Lilly and others.

The following year JT and Marner are up, JT if he's back won't be making near 11.

They can easily afford Nylander the question is do they want to

Unless of course Nylander wants to move on and knows he can force it?

Seemed until Keefe was confirmed things were fine.

 

[Nineteen67]

Yeah let’s trade the only one of the core 4 that shows up in the playoffs. Smart decision making right here folks.

He doesn’t really show up, though.

 

[darrylsittler27]

One round in 5 years and the Leafs are nowhere. Defense? Nothing there. Center, not much. And no picks. Auto destruct now ignited. They are huge trouble when Marner comes up next year.

 

[Dugath]

So he will be signing for 9.25 / 8 years tomorrow then ?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Knies-Matthews
Tavares-Nylander

Not every team has any Leafs and several make the 2nd. and subsequent rounds of the playoffs without a Triple Double.

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