Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Thank you for, yet again, taking time out of your important life to come to a hockey fan message board to tell us how unimportant our hockey team is to our lives.

So the question would be, how important is your hockey team to your real daily life?

It's a valid question, but the guy asking it might take his own advice, right?

He might be watching Star Wars for the 500th time for all we know.

What is going to happen next with this team? That's what we're all waiting for.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

I dont understand the nylander showing up for playffs vs the other 2 mantra

They all have been underwhelming consistently in the playoffs.. nylander has had better 'moments' than the other three stylish wise.. that is it

They have nevwr all been going at once.. it is a constant rotation of your turn.. but collectively it is a 4 plop dump

I dont get it..

Yeah they're all pretty underwhelming in the playoffs. I think the biggest thing is at his cap hit you can't ask for much than a ppg winger. He leaves a lot to be desired on defense and he has maybe one physical play every series, but at under $7M you can live with that.

At $10M+ salaries Marner and to a lesser extent Matthews have some pretty ugly disappearing acts.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

If that's the case then get rid of him. Not even debatable.

If he's asking that kind of salary, you don't even need to think "get rid of him"

More like, pass him off to someone else.

Nylander at 8 years x $10?

Nope. Move him.

Move Marner.

Keep Matthews. Roll with him and Morgan and Tavares.

I don't care if Matthews costs $15 per, shave $5 off of that, it's Jack Campbell.

Manage this team? Do NOT let these guys dictate the future of the team. Don't play hardball, tell 'em to f off already. Do what Shanny did to Dubas.

And go from there.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

If Nylander is better in the playoffs why doesn’t that show up in the stats?
Marner and Matthews have more points and have been on the ice for more goals for than against 5 on 5.
Nylander has less points and has been on the ice for more goals against than for 5 on 5.

Marner and Matthews play with each other, Nylander plays with the ghost of JT, Kerfoot, Galchenyuk and whatever fodder the Leafs have at the time. Probably out best PP guy and Keefe takes him off the PP. That's what he has to deal with. It's surprising Nylander is even able to keep pace

Saying that, if these rumours of Nylander asking for $10M are true, Brad better be getting the phone ready. Love Willy, not at $10M especially when I expect Matthews to get $13M minimum, at some point we need to build a team and not just a superstar core that folds in the Playoffs.

 

[notDatsyuk]

IF Aho signed for 9.5-10mil. WIllie's camp better agree to 8.88-9mil bc Aho is a better player than Willie. I would even trade Aho for JT and even AM if he signs for 10mil.

You think Aho is better than Nylander and you also think you could get him for Tavares?

There's a huge disconnect there.

I'd be ecstatic to get Aho for JT, but we can't afford it, as we'd have to eat a lot of JT's salary.

 

[Boxscore]

Thinking they don’t want to win.

And considering they've won ONE round in 7 years, what have they done to change the annual misfortunes? Play three card monte with 3rd/4th liners and cheap, over-the-hill vets like Thornton and Spezza?

Shanny is cozy, Keefe is cozy, the core is cozy (hopefully until now), and damn, even Dubas was cozy until he F-ed it up with his drama act.

So you can say MSLE wants to win -- and I'm sure they do -- but they obviously don't prioritize playoff wins, or if they do, they haven't done a thing to help improve them. What they apparently don't want to do is tinker with their sexy core that is beloved by the fans and media alike.

 

[hockeywiz542]

LeBrun rumblings: Buzz from the NHL Draft on Killorn, Nylander, Hanifin, Karlsson and more

A flattened cap is making trades and free-agent retentions tough for contenders. With free agency coming, will the big names start moving?

theathletic.com

• The first thing that’s important to know on the William Nylander front is that Saturday isn’t any kind of real deadline for the Maple Leafs. The fact he has a modified no-trade clause (10-team list) kicking in isn’t seen by GM Brad Treliving as a moment when he must be signed or traded. There’s some leeway there.

But there’s still some urgency to find a resolution as soon as possible so the Leafs can continue to address other roster decisions. The problem, in my understanding of the situation as of Thursday, is that Nylander’s ask so far in contract talks is certainly above what the Leafs can live with in an extension. There appears to be a sizeable gap. But my sense is the Leafs will just keep hammering away at it hoping to find a path to an extension.

The other reality is that though it sounds good on paper to simply trade Nylander if they can’t sign him, look at what’s transpiring around the NHL right now, as far as teams’ not being able to move money. As talented a player as Nylander is, what the Leafs have found out this week is that his trade market isn’t nearly as robust as we might have predicted. There’s just no cap room out there, and any team trading for Nylander would want him extended.

If the Leafs do trade Nylander, they also have to have a plan for how they replace his offense. This is still a fluid situation, but it’s one that’s put the Leafs in a tough spot. They want to sign him — but at a deal that makes sense for them. Let’s see what the next week brings on that front.

 

[Stephen]

According to TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger, William Nylander is asking for $10 million to $11 million per year from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Darren Dreger on the number of players waiting to be dealt & the complication of a decision on Nylander - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today and got into a number of things including the number of high-profile players waiting to get traded & what he makes of the situation facing William Nylander and the Leafs.

I had Overdrive on in the background and those numbers didn't pop out at me. Is it quoted somewhere on the TSN site?

If so, thank you William Nylander and good luck in your career elsewhere.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Willy should get what he can from the highest bidder. It just shouldn't be us. If JT would agree to waive and be moved (likely with retention) that would be ideal but doesn't appear likely. Should the team still be obligated to pay Willy more than a departed JT then?

No, but that's much more a matter of JT being overpaid. Willy deserves about $9M, but he also deserves more than JT.

 

[Marshy]

No, but that's much more a matter of JT being overpaid. Willy deserves about $9M, but he also deserves more than JT.

Or another way to say it...JT deserves less than 9. We all knew the last 2 years of his deal would be problematic when he signed it. Players regress fast after 30. It was a gamble that didn't pay off in playoff success.

 

[Stephen]

No, but that's much more a matter of JT being overpaid. Willy deserves about $9M, but he also deserves more than JT.

I think this is almost where the Leafs almost have to mark out Tavares as no longer a true member of the core who is overpaid and others can measure against his salary, but more like an N/A boat anchor. Yes he is on a legacy contract, but if you want to be a Leaf you're not referring to this contract as a benchmark for yours.

You see the conversation picking up steam on Real Kyper.

 

[93LEAFS]

This was always going to be the toughest negotiation. The fact he and Matthews expire at the same time, and the recent Hart winning franchise center is always going to take priority, and you need to know Matthews number before you give your best possible number for Nylander. That's just the reality of the situation. The quicker the Matthews situation is resolved, the quicker this one is resolved.

 

[notDatsyuk]

This is the thing let’s say Willie wants 10.5mil which is 1.5mil over his market value. All numbers are example.

Then AM wants 13.5mil and his market value is 12mil.

Both are 1.5mil overpaid, which one do you keep if both wanted the same term-8 yrs?

Would your decision change if AM wants 5 yrs and Willie wants 8 yrs?

I think your numbers are reasonable. The problem is that the team is likely to say ok to 13.5 for Matty but insist on Willy taking 8.5.

 

[Zero1]

According to TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger, William Nylander is asking for $10 million to $11 million per year from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Darren Dreger on the number of players waiting to be dealt & the complication of a decision on Nylander - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today and got into a number of things including the number of high-profile players waiting to get traded & what he makes of the situation facing William Nylander and the Leafs.

$10-11 mill?? What the hell is going on with these players in Toronto?

You would think only the guys playing for Toronto know that the cap is going up. I guess every other star missed the memo.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Matthews is the bigger star and #1C vs top line winger so you would keep AM and trade Willy by your scenario here.

The last part closes the gap on the decision because of the longer term savings for WN but also without Auston I would expect Nylander's stats to drop missing a potential 50 goal center.

Besides AM will still have Mitch. If you said you keep both and it would be Marner the one traded thereafter because his overpayement is/would be the greatest.

But Nylander hasn't been playing with a 50 goal center - that's Marner.

 

[LeafSteel]

Marner hasn’t even started negotiating yet

No, but based on how Marner’s first negotiation played out, starting with his agent negotiating through the media and proactively looking for any kind of offer sheet, do you really feel confident anything different will happen here?

When you see a hurricane in the forecast, do you expect it to go right down the middle of your house and you board up and bunker up, or do you hide in the basement and just hope it misses you?

I know what I’d be doing, and I wish I shared your optimism.

I think Marner is a good kid, but his agent and his dad are shady AF.

 

[Marshy]

There is a salary number for every job where at a certain point you really don't want the job......unless they pay you ridiculous amounts of money.

Like I wouldn't want a job digging ditches but if they said name your price I'd be like $400K.

Maybe playing for the Leafs is not such an honour for him...but more of a chore that only an overpayment can make worthwhile.

 

[93LEAFS]

No, but based on how Marner’s first negotiation played out, starting with his agent negotiating through the media and proactively looking for any kind of offer sheet, do you really feel confident anything different will happen here?

When you see a hurricane in the forecast, do you expect it to go right down the middle of your house and you board up and bunker up, or do you hide in the basement and just hope it misses you?

I know what I’d be doing, and I wish I shared your optimism.

I think Marner is a good kid, but his agent and his dad are shady AF.

He's the only one of the younger Leafs whose actually settled down and bought a house, I believe also a Muskoka cottage (obviously that can just be an offseason place like the many other non-Leafs who cottage there), and I would think Marner's fiance who is a local girl likely has a bigger impact on the direction of negotiations than Marner's dad at this phase of his life.

While he's from here which makes it different, he is the one of the 3 guys who has really put down roots in the city, and seems to be at the point in his life where settling down with family close by on both sides of his household may have a larger appeal.

Not saying this with any certainty, but there is reason for optimism on that front. He's around the same age where JT chose to come home for similar reasons along with the state of the team at the time.

 

[Easternbull]

IF you trade Nylander who is going to drive your second line?

Tavares is finished and Mathews needs Marner by his side to produce.

Leafs will be a one line team if Willie is moved for a top defender, which is what they really need IMHO.

Tricky situation, Hanafin is the only legit top four available...

 

[Gabriel426]

You think Aho is better than Nylander and you also think you could get him for Tavares?

There's a huge disconnect there.

I'd be ecstatic to get Aho for JT, but we can't afford it, as we'd have to eat a lot of JT's salary.

I meant I would rather have Aho instead of JT and if there is a 1 for 1 trade, I would take it and run.

I think your numbers are reasonable. The problem is that the team is likely to say ok to 13.5 for Matty but insist on Willy taking 8.5.

Which is fair if the years are the same. If one is 5 and the other is 8. I would take the 8 yrs one

 

[93LEAFS]

Anyone thinking JT is moving is being optimistic/delusional. He has a full NMC, he is from the area, his wife is from the area, and he has two young kids. And, if you want guys to take discounts to stay, going to your captain and trying to push him out is likely to create animosity between the players and management (especially from a guy who's been here a couple weeks), and pretty much all agents would take notes.

 

[Stephen]

There is a salary number for every job where at a certain point you really don't want the job......unless they pay you ridiculous amounts of money.

Like I wouldn't want a job digging ditches but if they said name your price I'd be like $400K.

Maybe playing for the Leafs is not such an honour for him...but more of a chore that only an overpayment can make worthwhile.

I don't think that's what's going on here. The core guys are so used to getting their way that they haven't considered the possibility that instead of getting $$$$$ in Toronto, they might get $$$$ in a less desirable market. It's not like Aho, Rantanen, Robertson, etc got the world either.

 

[Gabriel426]

boomers are going to be orgasming when newgm trades willy for some big bozo a la lucic

Going to be the Caps with Wilson and Mantha

 

[Boxscore]

There is a salary number for every job where at a certain point you really don't want the job......unless they pay you ridiculous amounts of money.

Like I wouldn't want a job digging ditches but if they said name your price I'd be like $400K.

Maybe playing for the Leafs is not such an honour for him...but more of a chore that only an overpayment can make worthwhile.

Are you honestly comparing making millions of dollars playing professional hockey for the Toronto Maple Leafs to digging ditches? I'm confused here. If playing hockey for the Leafs is not an honor, then where is it an honor? Columbus? Dallas? Minnesota? Arizona? Florida? Winnipeg? Washington?

 

[notDatsyuk]

marner needs a better center to play with.

But to be fair marner scored a goal against Florida while Tavares and Matthews did nothing.

Of course $33mm for 1 goal is a bargain.

Nylander's 2 goals were better value so trade the value and protect the $33mm.

Marner needs a better centre to play with, but Nylander doesn't?

At even strength Matthews, Marner, and Bunting combined for 154 points. Marner accounted for 58 points, or 38%, and Matthews accounted for 57 points, or 37%.

Tavares, Nylander, and Jarnkrok combined for 131 points. Nylander accounted for 59 points, or 45%, and Tavares accounted for 41 points, or 31%.

Willy led the team in even strength goals and points, despite playing with much weaker linemates.

(I know that the lines varied, but those are the most common groups, and if you use Kerfoot (or anyone else) in place of Jarnkrok it just makes Willy's numbers stand out even more.)