Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[ACC1224]

Honestly, sick of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander and their pissy way of going about things.

Should be pretty straight-forward and everything is all about getting every damn thing they want, while accomplishing nothing.

The first time around it could almost be forgiven because they hadn't "made any money yet", but now they are ready to do the same stupid shit: pule for every last penny, leaving the team grossly imbalanced and unable to put an well-rounded team out to compete. Ultimately they are fine with getting bounced every year because they are pay-cheque players.

Sick of them all to be honest. Won't shed a tear over any of them, as long as we get good value on them and put this team together properly.

All the hot air around wanting to stay together, but every time it was necessary for them to put their money where their mouth was, it was all just empty bullshit.

All 3 of them can get lost and hopefully recognize how badly they blew it. They could have been wildly rich, famous and successful here if they could have looked beyond the end of their noses. I have not problem dropping them off in any NHL shithole and let them count their millions alone.

Marner hasn’t even started negotiating yet

 

[Stephen]

If William Nylander wants $9 million and the Leafs are in the $8 million range, I think there's a deal to be had eventually. The cap isn't going to look so great in 2023-24 but I think they can manage. Maybe they take a step back in 2024 and 2025 but will be in great shape in 2 years time.

 

[Marshy]

If Treliving trades Nylander and he gets 1st line, 1st PP time on a new team, he'll score roughly the same number of points as both Marner and Matthews... and totally would make Leafs regret it instantly by likely winning a stanley cup with new team... signing Kampf before signing Nylander feels like a real slap in the face to me...

If Nylander is traded it'll be the beginning of the end of this team...

I hate you right now Treliving lol

This mystery team will be able to succumb to the contract demands of Lewis Gross and Michael Nylander and still be able to ice a full 20 man squad (let alone win the Cup). Sorcery I tell you!

 

[hockeyes]

Well my post started in response to someone who said Nylander was more clutch tan Matthews so obviously someone was saying it about Matthews.
And there really is no debate to be had between Marner and Nylander. Even if their offensive production was the same (which it isn’t) Marner is one of the best defensive forwards in the league where Nylander has to be sheltered defensively.

Is Marner actually that much better defensively, or does he just get given more opportunities to be a defensive player? He gives it away just as often as he turns it over. Offensively, goals always matter more than 2nd assists, so it's not nearly as obvious as you are pretending either.

 

[Boxscore]

Honestly, sick of Matthews, Marner, and Nylander and their pissy way of going about things.

Should be pretty straight-forward and everything is all about getting every damn thing they want, while accomplishing nothing.

The first time around it could almost be forgiven because they hadn't "made any money yet", but now they are ready to do the same stupid shit: pule for every last penny, leaving the team grossly imbalanced and unable to put an well-rounded team out to compete. Ultimately they are fine with getting bounced every year because they are pay-cheque players.

Sick of them all to be honest. Won't shed a tear over any of them, as long as we get good value on them and put this team together properly.

All the hot air around wanting to stay together, but every time it was necessary for them to put their money where their mouth was, it was all just empty bullshit.

All 3 of them can get lost and hopefully recognize how badly they blew it. They could have been wildly rich, famous and successful here if they could have looked beyond the end of their noses. I have not problem dropping them off in any NHL shithole and let them count their millions alone.

It's almost as if we're the Columbus Blue Jackets and are desperate to find players to want to play in Toronto. Players should be lining up to play for the Leafs, not trying to squeeze every last dollar out of the team while winning nothing when it counts.

I hate to say it but more emphasis should be put on Matthews. He knows damn well that he's the key to this entire thing. He should be committing to the Leafs long-term (for a discounted price) then phoning his homies Willie and Mitch and getting them all on the same page. That's what leaders do. Instead, he's likely waiting to see if Nylander gets traded for cheaper talent so he knows how much more cap he can request. And I'm sure Marner is doing the same.

 

[hockeywiz542]

According to TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger, William Nylander is asking for $10 million to $11 million per year from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Darren Dreger on the number of players waiting to be dealt & the complication of a decision on Nylander - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today and got into a number of things including the number of high-profile players waiting to get traded & what he makes of the situation facing William Nylander and the Leafs.

 

[JKG33]

I'd trade all 3 of their bitch asses.

It'd be hilarious if Nylander gets traded just to turn around and watch then overpay matthews

 

[Boxscore]

It'd be hilarious if Nylander gets traded just to turn around and watch then overpay matthews

Prepare yourself for a Chris Rock LIVE then, because this is exactly what is going to happen.

 

[Nineteen67]

Hayes is an idiot if he believes that.

Management has done nothing to build a playoff team. They drafted Marner, Nylander, and Matthews are have mismanaged the hell out building around them.

 

[ToDavid]

If William Nylander wants $9 million and the Leafs are in the $8 million range, I think there's a deal to be had eventually. The cap isn't going to look so great in 2023-24 but I think they can manage. Maybe they take a step back in 2024 and 2025 but will be in great shape in 2 years time.

Can’t remember who but someone was talking about that and it’s precisely the issue. If the Leafs were at $8.5 and Nylander was at $9.5, they likely wouldn’t be talking to other teams. That they are tells us the gap is bigger than that.

Or, for all we know, the gap is small and Treliving is just trying to make him sweat a bit to come down the last little bit and this will be a distant memory by next week. Who knows.

 

[supermann_98]

Nylander is not signing long term in Winnipeg

Who is? Hellebuyk sure isn't either

 

[BertCorbeau]

Can’t remember who but someone was talking about that and it’s precisely the issue. If the Leafs were at $8.5 and Nylander was at $9.5, they likely wouldn’t be talking to other teams. That they are tells us the gap is bigger than that.

Or, for all we know, the gap is small and Treliving is just trying to make him sweat a bit to come down the last little bit and this will be a distant memory by next week. Who knows.

Maybe the idea is to be harder on Nylander, get him to sign a bit lower, so that can be used as a bit of leverage on Matthews to sign for less too.

I'm getting increasingly skeptical that this Shanny regime is that adept though.

 

[cyris]

Is Marner actually that much better defensively, or does he just get given more opportunities to be a defensive player? He gives it away just as often as he turns it over. Offensively, goals always matter more than 2nd assists, so it's not nearly as obvious as you are pretending either.

Is this a serious question?
One of these to players was just 3rd in Selke voting, the other gets sheltered by the team defensively. Nylander would be given the opportunities to be a more defensive player for the team if he had earned the trust needed to be.

 

[rojac]

I think Brian Hayes said it best on Overdrive a few days ago when he concluded that MLSE thinks the regular season wins and selling jerseys is more important than winning in the playoffs. Why else would they be so "meh" about every failure in the playoffs and not change a thing? If they run back everyone and still fail again ...he will have been correct in his assumption.

Which seems like nonsense to me because long playoff runs bring in a lot more money.

So if you flip a coin 8 times in a row and it comes up heads every time, does that mean it’s impossible for that coin to come up tails? Or is just one of those statistical oddities that show up occasionally?

 

[Martin Skoula]

Can’t remember who but someone was talking about that and it’s precisely the issue. If the Leafs were at $8.5 and Nylander was at $9.5, they likely wouldn’t be talking to other teams. That they are tells us the gap is bigger than that.

Or, for all we know, the gap is small and Treliving is just trying to make him sweat a bit to come down the last little bit and this will be a distant memory by next week. Who knows.

Specifically listing Ottawa, Edmonton, and Detroit as the top options after he made a point of not wanting to be traded to a small market on the first negotiation seems like a last minute leverage play. Pick 3 teams out of his 10 team NTC and leak it, make his agent sweat a bit.

 

[authentic]

According to TSN hockey insider Darren Dreger, William Nylander is asking for $10 million to $11 million per year from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Darren Dreger on the number of players waiting to be dealt & the complication of a decision on Nylander - TSN.ca

TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger joined the OverDrive guys earlier today and got into a number of things including the number of high-profile players waiting to get traded & what he makes of the situation facing William Nylander and the Leafs.

If that's the case then get rid of him. Not even debatable.

 

[Mess]

Maybe, just maybe:

One thing the Leafs could learn from Vegas is that it's ok to be cutthroat sometimes for the betterment of the team.

Sometimes what is best for the crest on the front is not also for the name on the back of the jersey.

Its only business as they say.

 

[JKG33]

Prepare yourself for a Chris Rock LIVE then, because this is exactly what is going to happen.

Oh I know it will. This team is so inept it's funny at this point

 

[Boxscore]

Them not doing what you want doesn’t validate some other guys dumb idea.

You’re both confusing indifference with incompetence.

And the definition of insanity is?

 

[ACC1224]

He's pretty much right. A team like Vegas will operate that way. They're cut throat when it comes to winning. Leafs have babied this core and management team one failure after another.

and you feel they do that because they don’t care to win?

And the definition of insanity is?

Thinking they don’t want to win.

 

[Marshy]

If that's the case then get rid of him. Not even debatable.

First you thank him for making the decision easy for you. No shame in chasing the dollars. Get 2 guys who want the chase a cup for the same money.

 

[ACC1224]

Management has done nothing to build a playoff team. They drafted Marner, Nylander, and Matthews are have mismanaged the hell out building around them.

Correct

 

[hockeyes]

Is this a serious question?
One of these to players was just 3rd in Selke voting, the other gets sheltered by the team defensively. Nylander would be given the opportunities to be a more defensive player for the team if he had earned the trust needed to be.

The voting is 100% reputation and media narratives, literally means nothing.

 

[Rielly4]

If William Nylander wants $9 million and the Leafs are in the $8 million range, I think there's a deal to be had eventually. The cap isn't going to look so great in 2023-24 but I think they can manage. Maybe they take a step back in 2024 and 2025 but will be in great shape in 2 years time.

In what world do you think this is the case? Dubois and Meier just got 8.5 and 8.8. On TSN they are talking about Willy wanting 10.5 and we want 9.

 

[rojac]

Hayes is an idiot if he believes that.

Do you really need the if part?