I think the one thing beside trading JT is replace him as Capt to send a message across the room that the past few years might be good but they need to do more, a lot more.
Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.
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notDatsyuk
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That's another way Dubas got taken to the cleaners on that contract.
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TMLBlueandWhite
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These turkeys have it way too easy.
Too many players, like Nylander, are far too comfortable regarding their roster spot.
Those pictures of Nylander on social media are doing nothing to help his cause. Hardworking fans at back breaking jobs see him out partying it up after the team failing so badly again. Then he has the nerve to demand even more money for losing.
It's not a good look.
The Blue and White disease is embedded deep with this core. The whole country club attitude of entitlement and privilege. Players demanding big money for not getting the job done.
With elite money comes elite responsibility.
These guys are professional athletes. That's their job. To win.
If they can't win when it matters most why are they even on the team?
Too many players, like Nylander, are far too comfortable regarding their roster spot.
Those pictures of Nylander on social media are doing nothing to help his cause. Hardworking fans at back breaking jobs see him out partying it up after the team failing so badly again. Then he has the nerve to demand even more money for losing.
It's not a good look.
The Blue and White disease is embedded deep with this core. The whole country club attitude of entitlement and privilege. Players demanding big money for not getting the job done.
With elite money comes elite responsibility.
These guys are professional athletes. That's their job. To win.
If they can't win when it matters most why are they even on the team?
Rare Jewel
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Maybe, but at some point, if you give him the impression that you would rather move on then he's likely going to feel unwanted. Then it becomes where he goes and how much you retain.
As for the latter point, too bad really. They could do with a little animosity because things have been a bit too nice IMO.
That isn't how you do things when you are trying to present being a top class organization. Be hardball on the deal you sign, but live with the consequences of the deal you sign.
We gave him a full NMC for 7 years, he was unlikely to be LTM retired. You don't treat respected veterans of your locker room like cattle. Especially your captain who came back home to sign with you. This isn't the NFL. You want players to want to come here or take discounts to stay? You make sure everything is top class accomodations wise and handled respectfully. And, let's not even get into how treating a player like that would go over with Pat Brisson, one of the 3 most powerful player agents in the NHL.
notDatsyuk
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Mitch led the team in both takeaways (104 - 3.66/60) and giveaways (94 - 3.31/60) among regulars.
Willy was second in takeaways (70 - 2.76/60) and 12th/13th in giveaways (37 - 1.46/60).
Rare Jewel
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Treliving didn't give that deal and the team has faltered many times since he was signed. Things change.
Honestly, that "top-class" organization stuff is a myth. Do people really view Armstrong any differently because he asked Krug to waive? No, no one cares. He's just doing his job.
notDatsyuk
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So barring a miracle, don't expect a deep Cup run in the next two years.
All I know is that JT needs to sign a league minimum deal with us for the rest of his career after this deal.
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Thanks for posting the stats, that is exactly where I'd have guessed they'd be. One guy gets to sacrifice defense for offense, the other is held accountable.
Very big difference between a behind close door meeting, and asking if its an option, you don't leak it, and you never purposfully make it uncomfortable for a respected veteran to stay. That is how you create a locker room mutiny.
Shanahan is President of Hockey Ops, he signed on that deal too, he's also Treliving's boss. If we were tyring to tear it up for a rebuild it's one thing, or if he's the last year of his deal and we can send him to a contender like Chicago did with Kane.
You want to publicly embaress them like we did the "Muskoka 5" then have all of them just lock in say screw it, and we just have pissed off players collecting salaries who will leave for nothing? You have to play the long-game. A reputation takes years to build, and seconds to destroy.
If you don't like these situations, refuse to give out full NMC's like certain teams do. If not live with the deals you signed.
Trelliving cannot f***ing sing one f***ing star
There is a difference between a star who wants to leave because they dont want to play in your city versus a star who wants to play here but you can't spare the cap space for him.
This is what happens when you have your captain making 11 million who flat out should be making half that because of his level of play.
This is on Dubas. Despite that, I think we will get both Matty and Nylander signed.
If Detroit and Ottawa are the ones calling about Nylander, I have a hard time making up a package that would make sense...
There are players on both teams, that would make me happy, but then it would not be a good deal for either Detroit or Ottawa anymore: Seider, Tkachuk
I am guessing, that Detroit would be offering Edvinsson as the main piece, which is enticing, but not enough.
Ottawa? Norris just had his third(?) shoulder surgery at the start of this year, he'd be a huge risk, but an awesome get and a replacement for when Tavares runs out of contract - also would be a pretty good pair for Knies.
Ridly Greig is a player that I like, but that's not nearly enough to make a deal around Nylander on it's own.
Edmonton has nothing I want (that is realistic...).
There are players on both teams, that would make me happy, but then it would not be a good deal for either Detroit or Ottawa anymore: Seider, Tkachuk
I am guessing, that Detroit would be offering Edvinsson as the main piece, which is enticing, but not enough.
Ottawa? Norris just had his third(?) shoulder surgery at the start of this year, he'd be a huge risk, but an awesome get and a replacement for when Tavares runs out of contract - also would be a pretty good pair for Knies.
Ridly Greig is a player that I like, but that's not nearly enough to make a deal around Nylander on it's own.
Edmonton has nothing I want (that is realistic...).
Nylander will NOT return anything close to Dubois as Nylander will not come with an extention.
But he is though, because he doesn't have the 2 rockets, or the MVP, or the Ted Lindsay, or the rookie of the year, he's not a borderline hall of fame talent right now like Matthews is.
I love Nylander and want him to stay, I think he's worth 9.5 million, that's probably the max I would give him but I would give him that.
But his career high in goals is a dissapointment for Matthewx
Matthews scored 40 and people are saying he had a bad year. which is stupid but shows the caliber of player Matthews is and why I say give him whatever he wants.
Nylander scores 40 and people are amazed, they shouldn't be because he was always that good but they are.
Again I love Nylander and want him to stay but they aren't the same and there is no argument that they are.
Look at it from Nylander pov. He was the fitst to sign and got 6.9. Then he looks on while the other 2 gets 11, like almost TWICE as much for their entire contracts. And then those 2 gets 25 min/game, plays together all the time, gets more pp time etc. Nylander scores more 5vs5, does more on his own in the playoffs and now is his only chance to cash in and of course the Leafs wants him to sign first again and be paid 5-6 million less than the other 2. if the Leafs wants to kiss the other 2's behind, so be it, but Nylander will get PAID next summer.
Eternal Leaf
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The only thing left now is for the Leafs core to pass a $100 bill around the ice while lifting and kissing it like the Stanley Cup.
This is the level of their greed.
This is the level of their greed.
You don't know what greed is, getting market value isn't greed.
TheDoldrums
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Who could've seen this coming. We overpay a 4C like Kampf by a million. Now people losing their minds because Nylander wants a million more than they think he deserves. Kampf is overpaid by like ~60%, a $10 million deal for Nylander would overpay him by like 10% but he's definitely the greedy one that needs to go. Plenty of Nylanders out there easy enough to acquire, can't lose Kampf tho!
Eternal Leaf
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Fair enough. And I say you don't know what market value is.
Matthews is not worth what he's asking. Nylander is not worth what he's asking. Both would be overpaid based on the information that's out there. Marner is already overpaid and any raise would only worsen the situation.
Asking beyond your worth is greed. It's their right but gotta call it how it is.
Personally I would rather trade all of these spoiled players.
They are on team I.
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