Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Gabriel426]

I agree but, in his defense, he was a PPG player last year with 36 goals - he earned his pay check.

11mil for a PPG player

 

[ORRFForever]

Yeah, the fact that he's a cookie monster is good in the sense that he's a contributor even when he's struggling to keep up. But it also gives him that statistical shield like ho hum everything's okay. Well, it's not. They brought in ROR and right away he was taking on all of JT's chores and looked way better doing so despite being slow and getting older himself. Something's gotta give.

That's fair.

 

[Trapper]

Can they buy out JT without his permission?

Not sure how it works, TBH.

They can but his contract is buyout proof in terms of what the Cap repercussions would be.

JT has 2 years at 11 million left.

If the Leafs bought him out it would be:

Year 1. 10,393,333 cap
Year 2. 10,393,333 cap
Year 3 and 4: 303,333

Don’t bother. That’s not an option.

 

[ORRFForever]

They can but his contract is buyout proof in terms of what the Cap repercussions would be.

JT has 2 years at 11 million left.

If the Leafs bought him out it would be:

Year 1. 10,393,333 cap
Year 2. 10,393,333 cap
Year 3 and 4: 303,333

Don’t bother. That’s not an option.

Thanks!

 

[DcW]

If it’s true that they are that far apart, cut bait. Let him be someone else’s headache. He’s already shown what he’s willing to do in contract negotiations.

 

[ULF_55]

Nylander is far more consistent in the playoffs - he's always trying. Matthews and Marner disappear when the going gets tough.

Montreal series.
Florida series.

$23mm for a shutdown line, Matthews and marner.

 

[cyris]

I believe it's something like 800k difference.

Not worth it.

Just looked it up and is base salary is 910,000 so you would save $606,666 the next 2 seasons an then have a 303,333 cap penalty the following 2 years lol

 

[hockeyes]

Career playoff points:
Marner
10 goals
37 assists
47 points
+9

Matthews
22 goals
22 assists
44 points
+9

Nylander
17 Goals
23 assists
40 points
-1

But to most on this board Matthews and Marner are terrible in the playoffs and Nylander is clutch and great in the playoffs. But I guess to them being worse offensively and significantly worse defensively is somehow better

Lumping Marner together with Matthews is disingenuous, nobody is claiming Nylander is better for the team than Matthews. Marner vs Nylander is a very real debate, particularly when you consider the "special" treatment and linemates each of them have received over their time. Nylander has always been expected to do the heavy lifting himself with whoever is leftover, Marner has constantly been coddled with lines created just for him specifically.

 

[Trapper]

They’re probably about to do something they should have done with Nylander or Marner back in the day when we signed Tavares. But now here we are.

The Leafs are always a day late and a dollar short (or too much in our case).

 

[ORRFForever]

Montreal series.
Florida series.

$23mm for a shutdown line, Matthews and marner.

TBH, I'm not sure if you agree with me or not.

 

[cyris]

Nylander is far more consistent in the playoffs - he's always trying. Matthews and Marner disappear when the going gets tough.

If Nylander is better in the playoffs why doesn’t that show up in the stats?
Marner and Matthews have more points and have been on the ice for more goals for than against 5 on 5.
Nylander has less points and has been on the ice for more goals against than for 5 on 5.

 

[Amadeus]

I would keep Pittsburgh as a darkhorse for a team that will likely inquire about him where someone like Jake Guentzel can make sense.

 

[andora]

Where have these clutch moments been these past few years? Matthews was clutch against Tampa and the only reason we won.

That is what it is.. moments. Just like the others

 

[ULF_55]

If Nylander is better in the playoffs why doesn’t that show up in the stats?
Marner and Matthews have more points and have been on the ice for more goals for than against 5 on 5.
Nylander has less points and has been on the ice for more goals against than for 5 on 5.

Who is marner playing with, and who is he getting assists from?

 

[Mess]

I don't think we can, and it's not worth our while to. Only to illustrate that no matter how lucky we were that he chose us, circumstances have changed.

FWIW: You can buyout a player with a full NMC however Dubas made all Leafs core players with the $11 mil deals all 80-90% signing bonus with low base (buyout proof) so even with a buyout there is little to no savings.

100% its not worth it.

JT has 2 X years at $11 mil left a buyout would be spread over 4 years and only save the team < $700k for the next 2 years.

 

[cyris]

Lumping Marner together with Matthews is disingenuous, nobody is claiming Nylander is better for the team than Matthews. Marner vs Nylander is a very real debate, particularly when you consider the "special" treatment and linemates each of them have received over their time. Nylander has always been expected to do the heavy lifting himself with whoever is leftover, Marner has constantly been coddled with lines created just for him specifically.

Well my post started in response to someone who said Nylander was more clutch tan Matthews so obviously someone was saying it about Matthews.
And there really is no debate to be had between Marner and Nylander. Even if their offensive production was the same (which it isn’t) Marner is one of the best defensive forwards in the league where Nylander has to be sheltered defensively.

 

[TimeZone]

Why don't you think he will go? 2 years left, lots of trade value.

I agree, he's the one to go.

Just a hunch that the Leafs staff value him significantly more so than I.

 

[Stephen]

I notice Dahlin's a

You can buyout a player with a full NMC however Dubas made all Leafs core players with the $11 mil deals all 80-90% signing bonus and low base so even with a buyout there is little to no savings.

100% its not worth it.

JT has 2 X years at $11 mil left a buyout would be spread over 4 years ans only save the teams < $700k for the next 2 years.

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Oh yeah that's right. More the bonus structure that would make a buyout pointless.

I wonder if we could trade him somewhere along with a sweetener and have them trade him back to us with retention. I don't know if that kind of circumvention has been discussed before.

 

[fahad203]

Some of you are too attached to players, coaches and GMs

This team once traded for and traded away Doug Gimour.We moved on from CUJO, we moved on from Wendel Clarke who was beloved by the leafs fans

Welcome to life. Players come and go.

That doesn't mean you trade him for nothing. Let's trade a core 4, let's get another one that fits the core 4 but brings something different

Teams still make good hockey trades. There are plenty of players in the market

Some of you are just soft.

 

[Stand Witness]

JT is worth buying out next offseason if there is a horrible team that wants a cap hit and no player.

Just trade him after this bonus is paid, team 2 buys him out and gets a 10M cap hit for like 400k.

I believe he could then return to the Leafs since a 2nd team bought him out?

 

[andora]

JT is worth buying out next offseason if there is a horrible team that wants a cap hit and no player.

Just trade him after this bonus is paid, team 2 buys him out and gets a 10M cap hit for like 400k.

I believe he could then return to the Leafs since a 2nd team bought him out?

Yes he could.. see brooks orpik wsh/col and potentially josh bailey tomorrow

 

[Nineteen67]

Marner should be good enough to drive his own line. Leafs paid him like that. Matthews and Marner should be running their own line. If Marner needs a center to play with we got problems.

The team has been managd by a bunch of buffoons. They’ve never given him any linemates, other than Matthews and Tavares when he was good, and if they could ever provide some good players he could certainly drive a line.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

I notice Dahlin's a


Oh yeah that's right. More the bonus structure that would make a buyout pointless.

I wonder if we could trade him somewhere along with a sweetener and have them trade him back to us with retention. I don't know if that kind of circumvention has been discussed before.

I don't think that's allowed.

 

[Stand Witness]

Yes he could.. see brooks orpik wsh/col and potentially josh bailey tomorrow

Well then this seems like a reasonable option to explore next offseason.

 

[Menzinger]

marner needs a better center to play with.

But to be fair marner scored a goal against Florida while Tavares and Matthews did nothing.

Of course $33mm for 1 goal is a bargain.

Nylander's 2 goals were better value so trade the value and protect the $33mm.

Marner's problem in the playoffs seems to be mental more than anything. He doesn't handle pressure well. Game 3 against Florida was probably the single worst of his pro career - he looked completely overwhelmed.

Nylander may end up having to pay the price. But it'll be interesting to see how Matthews/Marner handle things moving forward. Not many excuses left, unless Tre tries to trade Rielly next