Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[TheGreenTBer]

Your knowledge of odds seems to be lacking.

What about 102.7%

I was pretty good at math in college until I got dumb

 

[Subway Schenn]

This feels like the end of an era. We better not **** up the trade, if we play it well we could actually come out of it better.

I think he's worth 9M but is asking for 10.

Can't trade Mitch I guess, longer commitment, 100 point player, hometown kid, etc...

Unfortunately we're stuck with paying JT 11M per for 2 more years (after that I'm sure he'll take less).

 

[Gabriel426]

Weirdly enough I think he would be more useful on his own line. Given his style I would give him a couple of go getter grinders and I bet he does fine.

I hope so too but I think he will end up on AM and MM wing around Xmas if not before that.

The moment he doesn’t need to play C, he openly opted to play LW with ROR and MM.

 

[KPower]

He wants north of $10 million….he’s gone if they can find a trade partner.

 

[trellaine201]

Trade him

About time one of them goes.

Now it hurts his trade value. Willy has the upper hand.

 

[authentic]

If you're Nylander and you hear Matthews is getting $14M (not sure what the most recent number is), how do you not think, "I deserve that much - or, at least, something close!"

Nylander stays healthy, he's more clutch than Matthews in the playoffs and he had more points than Matthews in 2022-2023.

If you give everything to Matthews and play hard ball with everyone else, you're gonna build resentment.

Nylander is more clutch? Lol

 

[Gabriel426]

This is the thing let’s say Willie wants 10.5mil which is 1.5mil over his market value. All numbers are example.

Then AM wants 13.5mil and his market value is 12mil.

Both are 1.5mil overpaid, which one do you keep if both wanted the same term-8 yrs?

Would your decision change if AM wants 5 yrs and Willie wants 8 yrs?

 

[WTFMAN99]

About time one of them goes.

Now it hurts his trade value. Willy has the upper hand.

He won't have the upper hand until Saturday when his trade clauses kick in.

We can trade anywhere tomorrow.

The best way to maximize the return will be to see where he is willing to extend though.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

This feels like the end of an era. We better not **** up the trade, if we play it well we could actually come out of it better.

I think he's worth 9M but is asking for 10.

Can't trade Mitch I guess, longer commitment, 100 point player, hometown kid, etc...

You can, they just don't have the guts to do it and it's harder to find a salary match.

 

[ORRFForever]

Nylander is more clutch? Lol

In the playoffs... I would say yes.

 

[trellaine201]

Oh wait trade him at the deadline.

 

[Mr Knies Guy]

I thought Nylander was embarrassing at times in the playoffs.

He is, every year. But I think Marner is far more embarrassing.

 

[trellaine201]

He won't have the upper hand until Saturday when his trade clauses kick in.

We can trade anywhere tomorrow.

The best way to maximize the return will be to see where he is willing to extend though.

I see. Or trade him at the deadline? Which isn’t good. Hmm. Buckle up eh.

 

[Fogelhund]

I suspect this is typical media looking for clicks, with little real information. Not much to get worked up about, until some real solid info comes out.

 

[ORRFForever]

This is the thing let’s say Willie wants 10.5mil which is 1.5mil over his market value. All numbers are example.

Then AM wants 13.5mil and his market value is 12mil.

Both are 1.5mil overpaid, which one do you keep if both wanted the same term-8 yrs?

Would your decision change if AM wants 5 yrs and Willie wants 8 yrs?

As you know, one's a center and one's not, so the decision makes itself.

I mean i understand why stats are cited to justify money.. i get it but the stranglehold over the justification for it all is just exhausting...

Marner is great but we still ended up paying him like the 4th highest premium per primary point for a post elc contract for wingers. Yes he got a lot of them but what is tbat threshold line - what the f*** is the real difference between having one 100 pt player or being able to afford 2 60 point players - we can see examples everywhere where the 2 60 point players carry FAR more load than the 100 point player.

This influx of the statline is getting to the point where i think it is close to coming back a bit - it has brought such a scientifc approach to the cap hit and old conventional things have been replaced

Either way - i think the problem is while everyone cites market rate for certain vital offensive stats - in marners case he still is high above market rate

Anyway.. it is exhausting, this shit about these 4 players has become what the leafs are - not the leafs are 'insert identity here'. This team has no identity no personality.. it is just blah.

Well said. They Leafs have a bunch of "me first" players.

 

[TimeZone]

He is, every year. But I think Marner is far more embarrassing.

It's not even close, at least Nylander skates and shows effort, Marner is out there doing his bullshit figurines and just seems content with losing and not working on his obvious weaknesses.

Marner should be the one to go, but he won't be.

 

[Mess]

This is the thing let’s say Willie wants 10.5mil which is 1.5mil over his market value. All numbers are example.

Then AM wants 13.5mil and his market value is 12mil.

Both are 1.5mil overpaid, which one do you keep if both wanted the same term-8 yrs?

Would your decision change if AM wants 5 yrs and Willie wants 8 yrs?

Matthews is the bigger star and #1C vs top line winger so you would keep AM and trade Willy by your scenario here.

The last part closes the gap on the decision because of the longer term savings for WN but also without Auston I would expect Nylander's stats to drop missing a potential 50 goal center.

Besides AM will still have Mitch. If you said you keep both and it would be Marner the one traded thereafter because his overpayement is/would be the greatest.

 

[ORRFForever]

Marner should be the one to go, but he won't be.

Why don't you think he will go? 2 years left, lots of trade value.

I agree, he's the one to go.

 

[Gabriel426]

I mean i understand why stats are cited to justify money.. i get it but the stranglehold over the justification for it all is just exhausting...

Marner is great but we still ended up paying him like the 4th highest premium per primary point for a post elc contract for wingers. Yes he got a lot of them but what is tbat threshold line - what the f*** is the real difference between having one 100 pt player or being able to afford 2 60 point players - we can see examples everywhere where the 2 60 point players carry FAR more load than the 100 point player.

This influx of the statline is getting to the point where i think it is close to coming back a bit - it has brought such a scientifc approach to the cap hit and old conventional things have been replaced

Either way - i think the problem is while everyone cites market rate for certain vital offensive stats - in marners case he still is high above market rate

Anyway.. it is exhausting, this shit about these 4 players has become what the leafs are - not the leafs are 'insert identity here'. This team has no identity no personality.. it is just blah.

I think when signing players like MM, you have to consider MM stats plus your 12th forward stats, bc that would be just under 12mil and consider can you get two players who can produce like MM and the 12th forward.
Now this is just an example.

So would teams rather have a combination of two players making 12mil or MM and someone at league minimum.
The teams that can accurately make the decisions are usually teams that does well in the playoffs and hence that team is very balance and just won the Cup.
As I have never heard any Cup winning teams having comments such as the top guys led the way and dragged the team to a Cup. But always, that team got great depth and very balance….

 

[ULF_55]

He is, every year. But I think Marner is far more embarrassing.

marner needs a better center to play with.

But to be fair marner scored a goal against Florida while Tavares and Matthews did nothing.

Of course $33mm for 1 goal is a bargain.

Nylander's 2 goals were better value so trade the value and protect the $33mm.

 

[andora]

I think when signing players like MM, you have to consider MM stats plus your 12th forward stats, bc that would be just under 12mil and consider can you get two players who can produce like MM and the 12th forward.
Now this is just an example.

So would teams rather have a combination of two players making 12mil or MM and someone at league minimum.
The teams that can accurately make the decisions are usually teams that does well in the playoffs and hence that team is very balance and just won the Cup.
As I have never heard any Cup winning teams having comments such as the top guys led the way and dragged the team to a Cup. But always, that team got great depth and very balance….

Yeah..that is a nice pragmatic way of looking at it and i agree

@Gabriel426 did we just have a conversation?

 

[Gabriel426]

Matthews is the bigger star and #1C vs top line winger so you would keep AM and trade Willy by your scenario here.

The last part closes the gap on the decision because of the longer term savings for WN but also without Auston I would expect Nylander's stats to drop missing a potential 50 center.

Besides AM will still have Mitch. If you said you keep both and it would be Marner the one traded thereafter because his overpayement is/would be the greatest.

I think I would keep AM too but if it is 5yrs Vs 8 yrs. I am incline to keeping the guy with longer term.

I don’t think Willie’s stats would drop off if AM or MM is gone. Think might even increase as he will most likely be the focal point on the PP.

 

[Stephen]

This feels like the end of an era. We better not **** up the trade, if we play it well we could actually come out of it better.

I think he's worth 9M but is asking for 10.

Can't trade Mitch I guess, longer commitment, 100 point player, hometown kid, etc...

Unfortunately we're stuck with paying JT 11M per for 2 more years (after that I'm sure he'll take less).

I think Leafs have to be cut throat with Tavares. First you ask politely. You work with the player and see if there’s an accommodation. If that goes nowhere I suppose you’ll have to reassess. But you have to try.

 

[Gabriel426]

Yeah..that is a nice pragmatic way of looking at it and i agree

@Gabriel426 did we just have a conversation?

Always a conversation here, lol

 

[Gabriel426]

I think Leafs have to be cut throat with Tavares. First you ask politely. You work with the player and see if there’s an accommodation. If that goes nowhere I suppose you’ll have to reassess. But you have to try.

If they have not try, they are stupid.

Personally, the team won’t do much as long as JT is around being the Capt. I won’t even resign him when his contract is over at league minimum as he is not a good example for the rest of the team.

Look at how Gio left the Flames. Gio done more for the Flames than JT with the Leafs.