Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Nineteen67]

You just can't let Nylander walk. Even if it's a futures trade you pull the trigger and give that money to Tarasenko for 1 year. The following season you go out and sign Lindholm for no assets.

Taresenko is 31+. The Leafs shouldn’t even consider anyone ove 27. Ideally 25.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The only universe on which letting him walk is acceptable is one where we win the cup that year.

We all know that that's not gonna happen.

You know that before the season even begins huh? Wow!! can you give me the winning lottery numbers?

 

[Gary Nylund]

One of the better looking disappointments?

While others are making 55%+ more than he is.

I guess you could put it that way.

 

[Nineteen67]

The only universe on which letting him walk is acceptable is one where we win the cup that year.

We all know that that's not gonna happen.

Maybe they luck into the best case scenario where they are out of the playoffs by the TDL, he’s a hot commodity, and they get a good young player and high draft pick.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

The only universe on which letting him walk is acceptable is one where we win the cup that year.

We all know that that's not gonna happen.

It's clear the OP disagrees because he's advocating throwing away every single year in a misguided attempt to drag this limp-dicked core over a finish line they couldn't care less about.

 

[Gary Nylund]

It's clear the OP disagrees because he's advocating throwing away every single year in a misguided attempt to drag this limp-dicked core over a finish line they couldn't care less about.

LMAO very well said. Brutally harsh, but all signs point to this being spot on.

 

[Nineteen67]

You know that before the season even begins huh? Wow!! can you give me the winning lottery numbers?

Buffalo is built better. Do you think they can win the cup next year?

 

[Peace Frog]

I think we can all agree that Willy at $6.9M is excellent value, yet there are people that say that we won’t get good value for him in trade. That doesn’t make sense to me.

Any other winger with his point totals and obvious skill set (and I’m not a Nylander fan myself), from another team, would cost us too much in assets to trade for.

Because he’s a Leaf, he’s not worth a solid return? Really? If he gets traded, and I think he will, BT will get someone back that will be worth it.

 

[socko]

It's no secret that you dislike Dubas, which is fine but I am curious to what exactly you think he did wrong?

I keep reading he blew the best chance the Leafs had of winning, but at the same time they will never win because the Core 4 he inherited are too soft and greedy and entitled to win.

Both can't be true. Either the 4 suck, in which case Dubas did not rruin any chance, or the 4 are fine and he did a poor job surrounding them. Which he didn't.

I do believe he overpayed them coming out of their ELC's which would have worked out sans Covid and he had to scramble afterwards but I still don't see how he blew anything if the whole thing was rotten to begin with

True. I don't like Dubas. I think both can be true. He inherited a bunch of highly valuable players. The mix is not good. None of them resemble playoff warriors. You have a bunch of the same kind of player. I for sure would have traded at least one of them. I don't think you can win with this group intact, but overpaying them did not help either. And I think most of the people who state the overpayment amount, really underestimate what the overpayment was. Nylander, $6.5 on his deal was fair. Marner should have been $9 tops. Matthews was probably in the right neighborhood but it should have been for 8 seasons. And the Tavares contract is awful. Guy has always been overrated. I used to watch the Islanders and wonder what I was missing. Not much is what I found out.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Buffalo is built better. Do you think they can win the cup next year?

I mean would I bet on it? No,they haven't even played a playoff game in 12 years.

That being said show me a single person that bet on Florida to make the finals.

I will wait.

 

[notDatsyuk]

I think it's virtually impossible to win the Cup this year or next, although I will be watching and cheering all the way to a (likely) early exit.

The logical approach is to try to keep the good players, along with picks and prospects, until Tavares is gone and we can build property.

 

[Gary Nylund]

True. I don't like Dubas. I think both can be true. He inherited a bunch of highly valuable players. The mix is not good. None of them resemble playoff warriors. You have a bunch of the same kind of player. I for sure would have traded at least one of them. I don't think you can win with this group intact, but overpaying them did not help either. And I think most of the people who state the overpayment amount, really underestimate what the overpayment was. Nylander, $6.5 on his deal was fair. Marner should have been $9 tops. Matthews was probably in the right neighborhood but it should have been for 8 seasons. And the Tavares contract is awful. Guy has always been overrated. I used to watch the Islanders and wonder what I was missing. Not much is what I found out.

This seems spot on.

Not a big deal giving Nylander 7.
Giving Marner 9.5 would have been fine too, but for max term.
Same for Matthews, max term (not sure if that was 7 or 8) is what should have happened.

There was almost universal jubilation here when JT decided to sign with us. I'll admit I was with that crowd at the time but with hindsight, not signing him would have been better obviously.

 

[mydnyte]

Now obviously I don't want that to happen I want him to sign an extension, and I still think that's going to happen.

But there are a lot of you that don't want to see a Stanley Cup, no what you want is the asset management cup, which doesn't actually exist, if it did Arizona would be a the gold standard not just in hockey but among the best in all sports, the reality is they are far, FAR from it.

Other people want to see an actual championship and all we are focused on is getting better, that's all that counts.

The reality is that assuming he's healthy William Nylander is going to score 30-40 goals and be at least a PPG winger having him makes the Leafs better.

Trading him for magic beans and spare parts hurts the team both short and long term.

If you trade him it must be a hockey trade.

If you can't get more than futures you keep him and you go for it because he makes you better.

Nope, you always move any player that doesnt want to re-sign, or you cant resign.

People need to realize that players are nothing more than currency; you use them to buy pieces that you need and/or will give you a better chance to win.

If Nylander can get us a solid defender, which is our biggest need, (far outweighing goal scoring) you do not let him go for nothing.

sometimes 'futures' is the best deal ...RoR went for a package including futures, and the futures was Tage Thompson. they acquired him in a package of NHLers that amounted to nothing. ...who made the better deal Col or Buf?

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

A good GM needs to think about both the present, and the future. Balancing those priorities is hard to do, still gotta try though.

We were focused on icing the strongest roster possible when we kept JVR as an "own rental", also when we signed JT and a ton of other decisions as well. I wonder if you'd do anything differently with the benefit of hindsight, I know I would.

Thanks for the response.

What's done is done. They're all in. They may as well keep going for it now.

The return for DeBrincat (either trade) wasn't franchise altering.

I don't think the return for Nylander would be either. A SC victory would be though. If you are looking at it from a risk/reward perspective, the risk of not trading Nylander is losing out on a few picks/prospects that may, eventually, turn into something, in a few years, but almost definitely won't.

The reward may be a Stanley Cup.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with you. I would much rather they had built the team properly in the first place. So it would be a sustainable long term contender with deep playoffs runs every year.

Instead of just making it to the show every year and hoping everything goes absolutely right for a Cinderella run to a cup finals appearance one year where, supposedly, anything can happen.

But here we are.

 

[socko]

Nylander at $7 for 6 full seasons would have been a slight overpayment. Nylander at $7 with full payment for his 27 point holdout season was pretty Dubas.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I think it's virtually impossible to win the Cup this year or next, although I will be watching and cheering all the way to a (likely) early exit.

The logical approach is to try to keep the good players, along with picks and prospects, until Tavares is gone and we can build property.

Hey if they can get better and not move 1st round picks I'm all for that.

Case in point Treliving was able to add to the prospect pool with the 28th overall pick, which admittedly needs to be somewhat restocked.

While just days later significantly upgrading the forward depth with Bertuzzi, Domi and to a lesser extent Reaves.

Why would I have an issue with that? That's the best of both worlds.

I'm just also OK with trading futures to get better now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Nope, you always move any player that doesnt want to re-sign, or you cant resign.

People need to realize that players are nothing more than currency; you use them to buy pieces that you need and/or will give you a better chance to win.

If Nylander can get us a solid defender, which is our biggest need, (far outweighing goal scoring) you do not let him go for nothing.

sometimes 'futures' is the best deal ...RoR went for a package including futures, and the futures was Tage Thompson. they acquired him in a package of NHLers that amounted to nothing. ...who made the better deal Col or Buf?

There is absolutely no indication Nylander doesn't want to sign.

And seeing almost everybody is expiring over the next 2 years you also can't say "we can't afford it"

Well I mean you could say it but it would be a lie.

 

[geo25]

We all know that Tavares is the guy that needs to go but that’s can’t happen.
As far as for Willy he is a decent player but at 10 million and Matthews potentially going to be 14 million and Marner potentially going to be 12 million and Tavares at 11 million you just can’t have all that on one team, not to mention that despite all their individual talent they just don’t cut it as a group.
We have multiple threads debating each of the cores individual merit but they need to be discussed as a collective
They just don’t work as a group and something has to give and unfortunately Willy us the only one left that they can do anything about.

Another reality this group has proven time & again is they cannot win in the playoffs. This core does not work. I would trade him for as many futures as I could because they aint going far. I'd also have traded AM/MM but that ship has sailed. Pathetic asset mgmt thanks to our pos Prez....

 

[Dog]

I'm in for trading him to Calgary or some team out west for best offer.

 

[DuklaNation]

Dubas sure left a mess.

 

[notdoneyet]

It’s a Travesty under Bettmans hockey we see our best playoff performer hung out there for trade talks. Nylander showed up more than Matthews.

We keep slow Tavares and weak Marner.

Tavares we knew this was coming… so be it.
Dubas was a sissy who got bent and loved it.

Marner needs to add 15 pounds of muscle.
Or he should be traded.
Guy is 160 pounds playing vs guys who are 220+

If you wonder why zero impact in physical playoffs that’s why.

Welfare league cap team USA Welfare Hockey

2023 playoffs weak marner had 18 hits
Big strong nylander had 3. A man his size with 3 hits

 

[francis246]

I think it's virtually impossible to win the Cup this year or next, although I will be watching and cheering all the way to a (likely) early exit.

The logical approach is to try to keep the good players, along with picks and prospects, until Tavares is gone and we can build property.

Winning the cup comes down to luck and capitalizing on opportunity honestly. Getting the right bounces, goaltending holding up, right side of a call from the refs. The Maple Leafs have as good of a chance to win the cup as any other team.

 

[Ianturnedbull]

I think he's the most important re-signing.

He's definitely the most important on this board.

Matthews, who wants a 3 year deal so he can re-sign when the Cap goes up gets half the attention.

With all due respect, I think you're spreading misinformation. Who is saying that Matthews wants a 3 year deal? In no way am I saying that Nylander wants 10 million and that the innuendos are all true. Do we even know what dollar amount and term both want?

I would argue that Matthew's signing is more important because we have zero centers in our organization that can step in and play a top 6 NHL role.

Buffalo is built better. Do you think they can win the cup next year?

Ottawa might have something to say about that. Possibly Tampa.

 

[ULF_55]

How many times have we heard (read), ask Tavares to waive?
Many many times.

So what this tells me is the many many posters who have suggested they ask Tavares to waive, should have absolutely no problem asking marner to waive. Should have absolutely no problem asking Matthews to waive.

If you have suggested Player A waive their NMC, you should have zero problem asking Player B to waive.

 

[francis246]

How many times have we heard (read), ask Tavares to waive?
Many many times.

So what this tells me is the many many posters who have suggested they ask Tavares to waive, should have absolutely no problem asking marner to waive. Should have absolutely no problem asking Matthews to waive.

If you have suggested Player A waive their NMC, you should have zero problem asking Player B to waive.

I think you have a better shot at those two waiving tbh. I’m sure both want to be here but their younger in their careers, probably more willing to move. I’m sure both have a few destinations in mind they wouldn’t mind moving to.

But as we saw with Torey Krug. Just because you ask nicely doesn’t mean it’ll happen.

NHL needs to stop handing those clauses out like Candy. You have 4th line players with limited NTC’s. Crazy.