Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Gary Nylund]

I don't think Nylander gets stage fright. Heck, he was looking forward to the big games and got taking to task by reporters for saying those games were going to be fun. That's the attitude I'd take over being intimidated to the point of freezing up. And for the Matthews-marner combination it isn't a one time thing, it's clear as day in 2 series.

Stage fright perfectly describes Marner in game 3, I didn't think it was possible for him to play that bad.

 

[notDatsyuk]

None of these comparables mean nothing to those guys. They’re in their own world.

The only right wingers with better production last year were Pastrnak, Kucherov, Rantanen, and Marner (all playing on their top line). Their respective cap hits are:

11.25 (new)
9.5 (signed 2019)
9.25 (signed 2019)
10.9 (signed 2019)

 

[Gary Nylund]

The only right wingers with better production last year were Pastrnak, Kucherov, Rantanen, and Marner (all playing on their top line). Their respective cap hits are:

11.25 (new)
9.5 (signed 2019)
9.25 (signed 2019)
10.9 (signed 2019)

9.5 seems about right for Nylander, really hope they get it done but if Nylander really is waiting for Matthews to sign first, I don't blame him. I'm afraid it might be a case where the brass has decided that they will keep M&M no matter what, Matthews is asking for the moon, they expect Marner will also ask for the moon and there just isn't enough left to keep Nylander, even if he was willing to sign for 9. I really hope I'm wrong but that's the way it feels to me.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yes nylander has been a more prolific offence contributor, but Meier was playing with hertl and couture while nylander plays with taveras, matthews and marner(including PP). I feel like meier’s numbers are somewhat depressed and Nylander’s somewhat inflated. Add in the fact Meier doesn’t have the habit of making “business decision” in the playoffs by avoiding the walls and corners, Nylander is close to meier’s AAV imo.

At even strength, Meier had 23G 20A. Nylander had 31G 28A.

At even strength, Nylander was playing with Tavares (18G) and Kerfoot (7G), while Meier played with Hertl (16G) and Couture (21G). If anything. Nylander had the worse linemates.

 

[A1LeafNation]

9.5 seems about right for Nylander, really hope they get it done but if Nylander really is waiting for Matthews to sign first, I don't blame him. I'm afraid it might be a case where the brass has decided that they will keep M&M no matter what, Matthews is asking for the moon, they expect Marner will also ask for the moon and there just isn't enough left to keep Nylander, even if he was willing to sign for 9. I really hope I'm wrong but that's the way it feels to me.

Pastrnak Kucherov Marner and Rantanen are line drivers, Nylander is not.

Good producer, but lacks in defence and prone to taking nights off. He is not in that tier. He is in the Debrincat Meier tier.

9m is too much and Treliving should get shit on for signing him 9m+.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Pastrnak Kucherov Marner and Rantanen are line drivers, Nylander is not.

Good producer, but lacks in defence and prone to taking nights off. He is not in that tier. He is in the Debrincat Meier tier.

9m is too much and Treliving should get shit on for signing him 9m+.

Meier signed for 8.8, add in a bit for inflation and it seems strange to say 9m is too much for Nylander.

 

[Mess]

Yep, Detroit might have got a deal there. But didn't seem like there was a big demand for Debrincat, although maybe Debrincat only wanted to play at home? Kind of hard to demand both your location and your salary when you are RFA.

How DeBrincat's new contract impacts the Leafs and William Nylander

As players, DeBrincat and Nylander are extremely close comparables in terms of value. DeBrincat is a 2 time 40 goal scorer, Nylander scored 40 for the first time last season. Nylander is a career .825 points per game player, DeBrincat is .828ppg over his career. DeBrincat is also 2 years younger than Nylander. Both players are offense first, and neither bring any notable level of physicality to the table. Skilled players that put the puck in the net, but don't bring much else to the table.

Here's where they differ. With one year left on his current contract, Nylander is not budging off of his asking price of over $10M per season. DeBrincat just signed a 4 year deal paying him $7.875M per season. DeBrincat's deal will absolutely be used as a comparable by Brad Treliving and company as they try to hammer out an extension for their Swedish star.

Clearly, the market for players like DeBrincat and Nylander has softened. If Nylander and his agent, Lewis Gross, have any sense, they'll come off of their sky high asking price and settle for a reasonable, but still lucrative deal that works for both camps and keeps Willy Styles in the blue and white for a long, long time.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Meier signed for 8.8, add in a bit for inflation and it seems strange to say 9m is too much for Nylander.

He signed 2 weeks ago lol. How much inflation is 2 weeks?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Pastrnak Kucherov Marner and Rantanen are line drivers, Nylander is not.

Good producer, but lacks in defence and prone to taking nights off. He is not in that tier. He is in the Debrincat Meier tier.

9m is too much and Treliving should get shit on for signing him 9m+.

Nylander has been his line driver for at least two years. He's a fair bit above the Debrincat Meier tier. 9-9.5 is reasonable.

 

[Gary Nylund]

He signed 2 weeks ago lol. How much inflation is 2 weeks?

Doesn't his contract kick in this season? And Nylander's extension would kick in one year later so one year's worth of inflation. Not a lot, but not nothing either and the gap between 8.8 and 9 is pretty minimal as it is.

Nylander has been his line driver for at least two years. He's a fair bit above the Debrincat Meier tier. 9-9.5 is reasonable.

That's the way I see it as well. 9-9.5 is reasonable, 10 is too much.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Nylander has been his line driver for at least two years. He's a fair bit above the Debrincat Meier tier. 9-9.5 is reasonable.

So Nylander (not that I agree) has been the line driver and the 2nd line has been shit. Marner and Matthews are line drivers.

I can't see many ppl saying Nylander is a line driver.

 

[ULF_55]

Meier signed for 8.8, add in a bit for inflation and it seems strange to say 9m is too much for Nylander.

Meier signed for a Cap Hit of 10.54 on the current Salary Cap.

Nylander will be signing based on the projected cap hit of next year as he is under contract for this year.

Projected Cap: $87.50mm * 10.54% = $9.225mm

 

[notbias]

He is within 1mm of the highest paid?

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Debrincat isn't making 5mm less than his highest paid teammate.

Why does this matter? Larkin is closer to Nylander's level than Matthews'...

 

[Notsince67]

Wrong on all points. Sorry.

 

[Arzak]

I think Nylander gets traded.

We can't be spending 20 mil on 2 RW, and have no money for defense.

I don't see it. As much as I love Willy, and he's actually a really good playoff performer, I don't think there's room.

Nope, it will cost us 20+

Even if Nylander settles @ 8.9 now include Marner @ 10.9 + a raise?

Paul can correct me, but I don't think Mitch Marner will be happy about measly 1.2 mill raise.

 

[Albz]

This team seems to stress us all out during season and summer. Why are these star players of ours so dam greedy? Others around the league don't seem to be like this....

 

[Nineteen67]

The two trades are not really comparable. Ot would all be contingent on if they can do a sign and trade

I would think a sign and trade would be the only way. If someone wants to pay Nylander his 10 million ask.

This team seems to stress us all out during season and summer. Why are these star players of ours so dam greedy? Others around the league don't seem to be like this....

It’s amazing.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This team seems to stress us all out during season and summer. Why are these star players of ours so dam greedy? Others around the league don't seem to be like this....

Our star players aren't greedy. They're undervalued by their own fans. They just want to be paid consistent with their quality and impact, like everybody else.
We're pretty early into the process, and we've got months of the summer left. If somebody is finding themselves stressed out about this, they would probably benefit from taking a step back and not looking at every rumour the media puts out to rile up the fanbase and get clicks.

 

[Stephen]

Being accepting of appropriate contracts relative to the quality and impact the players we have provide is not "welcoming in-house overpays".

The “quality and impact” of a player like Nylander relative to the “quality and impact” of a player like Matthew Tkachuk for example… who leads his team to the finals, plays with edge, leadership, scores the same number of goals. 20+ more points, who beat Nylander head to head. Or the classic Marner vs a Rantanen, the guy who scores 50 goals, 100 points, won a Stanley Cup vs our guy who should make more.

 

[Stephen]

Our star players aren't greedy. They're undervalued by their own fans. They just want to be paid consistent with their quality and impact, like everybody else.
We're pretty early into the process, and we've got months of the summer left. If somebody is finding themselves stressed out about this, they would probably benefit from taking a step back and not looking at every rumour the media puts out to rile up the fanbase and get clicks.

Our core players price themselves to a standard as if the Leafs belonged to a Champions League above the NHL fray and salary cap. Compared to the cream of the crop in the NHL each one of them expects to be paid million plus more than similar players with similar or superior numbers and championship pedigree and recently signed contracts.

But here we are with fans who seem to cheer this on without thinking about the downstream consequences that we might be able to keep them all if they keep up demands, will have worse players around them and we won’t ever build out a championship. It’s like having a collection of names is more important than actually doing anything on the ice, in the playoffs.

 

[I am Canadian]

Nope, it will cost us 20+

Even if Nylander settles @ 8.9 now include Marner @ 10.9 + a raise?

Paul can correct me, but I don't think Mitch Marner will be happy about measly 1.2 mill raise.

Treliving needs to put his foot down somewhere, Personally, I'd rather target the guy asking for a raise [Marner] who never even lived up to the first contract.

 

[ACC1224]

This team seems to stress us all out during season and summer. Why are these star players of ours so dam greedy? Others around the league don't seem to be like this....

What's there to be stressed out about?

 

[Dekes For Days]

Our core players price themselves to a standard as if the Leafs belonged to a Champions League above the NHL fray and salary cap. Compared to the cream of the crop in the NHL each one of them expects to be paid million plus more than similar players with similar or superior numbers and championship pedigree and recently signed contracts.

But here we are with fans who seem to cheer this on without thinking about the downstream consequences that we might be able to keep them all if they keep up demands, will have worse players around them and we won’t ever build out a championship. It’s like having a collection of names is more important than actually doing anything on the ice, in the playoffs.

Our core players price themselves to the same standard as everybody else. They expect to be paid more than players they are better than, even if some of their own fans always think the grass is greener on the other side, and won't acknowledge their obvious quality because of unrelated team accomplishments or improper contract valuation techniques.

The only thing most fans are cheering on is keeping their elite players at prices that benefit their team, and are consistent with history. Something that will help in the pursuit of a cup. Would we all want super massive discounts on all our players? Absolutely! But we're trying to have discussions about what's realistic and fair.

The “quality and impact” of a player like Nylander relative to the “quality and impact” of a player like Matthew Tkachuk for example…

Yes. Players who were pretty comparable at time of signing their respective contracts, likely to get comparable contracts.

Or the classic Marner vs a Rantanen

Yes. Marner getting a slightly bigger contract than a worse player, consistent with the gap in their quality and impact at time of signing. Naming a bunch of misleading or team-based things other players did or were a part of post-signing that had zero impact on their contract doesn't help your case, for the record.

 

[KPower]

Our core players price themselves to the same standard as everybody else. They expect to be paid more than players they are better than, even if some of their own fans always think the grass is greener on the other side, and won't acknowledge their obvious quality because of unrelated team accomplishments or improper contract valuation techniques.

The only thing most fans are cheering on is keeping their elite players at prices that benefit their team, and are consistent with history. Something that will help in the pursuit of a cup. Would we all want super massive discounts on all our players? Absolutely! But we're trying to have discussions about what's realistic and fair.

Yes. Players who were pretty comparable at time of signing their respective contracts, likely to get comparable contracts.

Yes. Marner getting a slightly bigger contract than a worse player, consistent with the gap in their quality and impact at time of signing.
Naming a bunch of misleading or team-based things other players did post-signing that had zero impact on their contract doesn't help your case, for the record.

You think Tkachuk coming off a 104 point season and signing for 9.5 is comparable to Willie?

 

[notdoneyet]

I'm not sure why we're pretending like playing primarily with Hertl, Couture, and Karlsson, or the likes of Hughes and Bratt in NJ, is offensively limiting.
Also not super relevant to contracts, but since you mentioned it, Nylander does not avoid walls or corners, and he has been better in the playoffs.

Yes nylanders 3 hits in 11 games tells us how willing he is for contact
Matthews 56 hits
Accari 72 hits
Tavares 38 hits
Even much smaller mitch 18 hits
Our boy willy 3