Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.
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This should be the case.The opportunity of putting on the Maple Leafas an original 6 team and legendary team should actually be leverage a good GM would use to his advantage as a carrot and not a stick in contract talks.
Players should be willing to take less to have the privilege to done the Blue and White, particularly all those Ontario born kids that grew up idolizing the Leafs and would be fulfilling lifelong dreams to play on the team.
If a GM used exclusivity of a special team to his advantage then you should get better signings not worse. IMO
Max Domi a perfect current example of a player willing to take less then market to play for his fathers and his team now.
So what does Nylander fetch trade wise?
notDatsyuk
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The only thing Meier was particularly good at last year was scoring on the PP.
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notDatsyuk
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Meier 26 assists and -19.
Nylander 47 assists and +10.
Meier had more PP goals.
Nylander had more ES goals, assists, and points, more PP assists and points, and more OT goals, while averaging almost a minute less ice time per game.
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100% different generation.Yup ..
Nowadays the Leafs hand out the richest contracts in the NHL because they spend harder and not smarter, and don't leverage the opportunity to wear the Crest to their advantage.
When Dougie and Wendel wore Blue and White they bleed blue and white also, now its simply a means to get rich quick for players, so its all about their bank account and take home pay.
In Toronto they refer to this as "Blue and White" disease and comes with a feeling of self entitlement for players when entitlement should be a Team benefit to wear the jersey. IMO
I'm afraid for players like Willy and Auston new deals (In progress) its not about a proud tradition, as they're foreign players who spend their lives outside of Canada, and only using this process to work in a foreign country, extracting maximum earnings and then return home to native lands to retire on. Leafs don't have that leverage in this case, but in my opinion that level of loyalty should be a 2-way street that should allow the team to move on also, cutting off the gravy train when its no longer in the teams best interest to overspend.
When you cheer for the Crest on the front and not the name on the back it provides clarity in these situations.
A GM can and should draw a hard line in the sand and when push comes to shove be willing to move on from that player and replace them with other players if its in the vest interest of the team.
#93 and #17 bled whatever colour they were wearing. It wasn't just a Leaf thing. They both just played with their heart on their sleeve. As did most players during that era.
People here are too young to realize that a young Gilmour took the leafs to a game seven with St Louis and won and than followed that up taking Calgary to seven before being beaten. Fletcher loved him so much he figured out a deal with St Louis to send Hull for Gilmour. He was instrumental in beating the Habs in the finals.
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Mackinnon definitely looks to have taken less on his current deal
12.6M x 8
Vs Matthews who has reports ranging from anywhere of 12.3M x 3 to 14M x 5
ULF_55
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If only marner had GIlmour's hate ...
If Nylander had a hate ... although he had one game this year where he seemed to step over the line ... he just has to step over that line all the time.
Imagine Nylander with an attitude, and he did it once so it's in him, maybe a coach who knows had to dial him up rather than put him down?
The coach we have now to me is not really a coach, he takes orders. Babcock ran it his way and the reason Dubas got rid of him. Mahovlich hated Imlach, got four cups though. Lot of Habs hated their coaches but they kept on winning. Remember how everyone had hate on for Lindy Ruff? That guy takes far less talented teams further. The brass needs to get over this vision of having yes men that are there to coddle players. Sign Mathews and Nylander if you can and fire Keefe by Christmas. Go look for the next Pat Burns, Jaques Lemaire, or Larry Robinson and put him in there. Canada is too woke now, everyone is afraid and everything needs to be sunshine and rainbows. The objective is to win-at all costs. That means ruffling feathers. Time to get a guy that locks up the neutral zone and stiffles the other team. We shoukd be having tons of scoring chances off of turnovers with these players and yet all we do is let the opposing team have free rein into our own zone and than chase forever. This free wheeling BS needs to change.
Still depends on the contract, Nylander at 9 Mathews at 14… I’d keep William
i'm old ... but these were two different trades
hull from calgary was not for gilmour
He appeared in 52 games for the Flames, scoring 26 goals and 50 points. He did not finish the season in Calgary, however. On March 7, 1988, Hull was traded, along with Steve Bozek, to the St. Louis Blues in exchange for defenseman Rob Ramage and goaltender Rick Wamsley
gilmour came from the blues to flames amid controversy
Center Doug Gilmour, facing child molestation charges, was traded by the St. Louis Blues yesterday with Mark Hunter to the Calgary Flames for Mike Bullard and Craig Coxe.
Also going to Calgary are left wing Steve Bozek and defenseman Michael Dark, although neither is expected to fit into the Flames' plans this National Hockey League season. The Blues also acquired rights to Tim Corkery, who skates for Ferris State.
Seeing the return for Debricant no way Leafs trade Nylander now . They have to sign him.
Stephen
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Might be easier to just lock him up at anything under $10 million and live to fight another day. Can always trade him at a future date also.
TheKrebsCycle
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Does Debrincat signing for under 8 help us in negotiations? 1 40 goal scorer to another ?
ULF_55
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He is within 1mm of the highest paid?
Debrincat isn't making 5mm less than his highest paid teammate.
After all these years and I had it wrong. Thanks brother!
Stephen
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I don't think there's any relationship between Leafs salaries and the rest of the NHL.
That would be terrible for the cap. Anything above 9 is a substantial loss for the team.
Stephen
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I don't get the sense that keeping our star players at a team friendly, small market budget is in the cards. So it's just about keeping the asset, enjoying the asset and buying time to trade the asset at your convenience instead of in a panic.
Martin Skoula
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And 17 missed more playoff games than he played because of it. I’ll watch the shit out of you sacrificing your body to win a cross conference game in November, but if means your body is toast by 26 and you can’t play 2 full series you’re hurting the teams odds of winning by playing every game in November at 110%.
Don’t get me wrong I wish they played with that extra gear in the playoffs but nobody plays that style every game and makes it to 30.
The key word in that to me is asset.
I am 100% steering the SS Trade Nylander.
His return is more valuable to the team vs his production at the proposed cap hit.
IMO, obviously.
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Why didn’t Debrincat just hold out under the threat of a 10 mil offer sheet from a big market team then, forcing a massive overpayment that holds his rfa rights? 40 goal point per game player…. That’s what the players on ONE special team would have done…
Stephen
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Yes, but when and for what? If we sign Nylander to any contract, the cap hit doesn't take effect until July 2024. So it has no impact on anything for another calendar year...
A Nylander with term is worth more than a Nylander without term, so it's a more valuable asset if you're trading the guy.
Also a re-signed Nylander gives you more options with a Mitch Marner negotiation.
So yes, maybe we trade him one day. But it doesn't have to be right now, and you would be doing it to benefit the team. Not to punish anyone. Be smart.
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