Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[sunstersun]

This fan base is just dumb. We just had a local guy leave here on the same deal, and we are fighting over what f***ing Nylander gets? What the f*** has Nylander done to get 10 plus? Oh he scored 90+points! Sure who did he play with? Some of the best ever! Ok no thanks! Unless it’s a championship no thanks. Dude floated literally floated on shifts in round 1 and we gotta pay him 10 mil nope!

Some of the best ever? You mean the corpse of John Tavares? A revolving door of left wingers?

 

[Erndog]

Willy wants $10.5M now? Last week was $10M and last month "the number started started with a 9".

This is like the episode of Arrested Development when Gob gets a new suit and everytime he talks about it the price he paid is more expensive than the last time.

 

[Nineteen67]

And then if you get a little deeper rielly isnt quick in tight work i find.. maybe more his stick

Quickness is the important thing. The 50 50 puck battles they lost in the playoffs was noticeable.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Willy wants $10.5M now? Last week was $10M and last month "the number started started with a 9".
This is like the episode of Arrested Development when Gob gets a new suit and everytime he talks about it the price he paid is more expensive than the last time.

Yeah, it's pretty funny to watch the media jump around to different claims and pretend that they aren't just making it all up for clicks. It's even worse with Matthews.
I don't even think 10.5m has actually been said by anybody other than people trying to exaggerate on this board though. I believe the actual rumour was "just over 10m".

 

[centipede2233]

Paying nylander more than Tkachuk is lunacy. Paying matthews more than mcdavid is lunacy. Paying marner more than Pasternak is lunacy.

if I’m BT, I offer Nylander 8.7 mil AAV he picks the years structure how you want, 12.5 mil to matthews and 11.25 mil to marner.

 

[Nineteen67]

Paying nylander more than Tkachuk is lunacy. Paying matthews more than mcdavid is lunacy. Paying marner more than Pasternak is lunacy.

if I’m BT, I offer Nylander 8.7 mil AAV he picks the years structure how you want, 12.5 mil to matthews and 11.25 mil to marner.

BT shows Nylander a clip of him pulling up against McDonagh and a clip of Tkachuk playing with a broken sternum, and ask why he thinks he’s worth more.

 

[centipede2233]

BT shows Nylander a clip of him pulling up against McDonagh and a clip of Tkachuk playing with a broken sternum, and ask why he thinks he’s worth more.

Haha yeah, he scores goals, but has zero defensive and checking game. Yet he wants 10 mil per, get a life Willy

 

[andora]

Some of the best ever? You mean the corpse of John Tavares? A revolving door of left wingers?

I swear i read this exact post like 50 pages ago.. we have closed the circle

Quickness is the important thing. The 50 50 puck battles they lost in the playoffs was noticeable.

Its weird sometimes it looks like riellys stick weighs 40 lbs

Yeah, it's pretty funny to watch the media jump around to different claims and pretend that they aren't just making it all up for clicks. It's even worse with Matthews.
I don't even think 10.5m has actually been said by anybody other than people trying to exaggerate on this board though. I believe the actual rumour was "just over 10m".

I am not sure how as the season concluded people didnt expect nypander to start at 10. Factors like contract progression and cap increasing sure but he keeps getting better at what he does

I dont get why 10 is a surprise - it is nice as a middle ground is 9to9.5ish.. but asking for 10 shouldnt surprise anyone

 

[ToneDog]

Paying nylander more than Tkachuk is lunacy. Paying matthews more than mcdavid is lunacy. Paying marner more than Pasternak is lunacy.

if I’m BT, I offer Nylander 8.7 mil AAV he picks the years structure how you want, 12.5 mil to matthews and 11.25 mil to marner.

The ship has sailed for Matty and Mitch. Their full NMC kicked in July 1st. Lunacy is bringing them all back and thinking you can win with them by shuffling the deck chairs around them another year. At this point you have to overpay 16 and 34, let them walk for nothing or get them to waive.

There is still time to move on from Willie. With JT coming off the books in two years the cap could be more manageable with only 2 10+m players on the roster.

 

[Dekes For Days]

I am not sure how as the season concluded people didnt expect nypander to start at 10. Factors like contract progression and cap increasing sure but he keeps getting better at what he does. I dont get why 10 is a surprise - it is nice as a middle ground is 9to9.5ish.. but asking for 10 shouldnt surprise anyone

Oh yeah, asking for 10 shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. Nylander is a very good player and players start high and teams start low and then you work towards the middle.

 

[Evilhomer]

Oh yeah, asking for 10 shouldn't be a surprise to anybody. Nylander is a very good player and players start high and teams start low and then you work towards the middle.

Negotiations are largely dependent on leverage, whether in sports, labour unions or law firms (I know the latter all too well). Nylander's agent would not be doing a good job for his client if all he did was point to a contract signed one, two or three years ago by a player on a different team in a different situation and say "we'll settle for that one". It is even more pronounced for Matthews, who absolutely should be asking for at least $14 million (even based solely on contract value inflation). The numbers these players ultimately settle for may be lower based on their personal situations and approach to negotiations, but the vitriol spewed by most fans in reaction to these numbers is not rational.

 

[socko]

We had a lot of leverage when they were all RFAs coming off their ELC, but Dubas still managed to pay them above what they probably get as UFAs, at least in Marner's case.

Look at Morgan Rielly. He's flat-out superior to Darnell Nurse in every way possible. But he just didn't care so much about the money. He wanted to play for Toronto. Damn shame he's not captain. Can you get that corrected Tre? Make Morgan captain today.

 

[BraveCanadian]

We had a lot of leverage when they were all RFAs coming off their ELC, but Dubas still managed to pay them above what they probably get as UFAs, at least in Marner's case.

The biggest mistake Dubas made was blowing the cap structure of the team with Tavares and then those RFA deals.. huge failure. But hey, he failed upwards so what do I know.

 

[daveleaf]

I think in a perfect world you can get Nylander just above Timo Meir, say 8.9. Leafs could make a large chunk of that signing bonus so he gets his money quicker and that way becomes more tradeable down the road. I think the elephant in the room is Tavares. I believe if you can convince him to waive and retain some salary there will be teams interested. It was the contract that really threw everything out of whack at the time. I agree with the other poster the Reily should be the captain, make Mathews and Marriner assistant captains and move this team forward.

Nylander will never be a grinder, his old man was never a grinder but he will get big goals. Guys like him you need bigger players around him to insulate him.

 

[ULF_55]

Thought the ice time difference between Matthews and Nylander was interesting.
Just for perspective with regards to points and time played.

Player	GP	TOI	SH TOI	GP	G	A	P
Mitchell Marner	80	1702:06	182:59	80	30	69	99
William Nylander	82	1520:27	18:52	82	40	47	87
Auston Matthews	74	1500:36	3:29	74	40	45	85
John Tavares	80	1412:31	0:54	80	36	44	80
Michael Bunting	82	1295:21	0:05	82	23	26	49
Morgan Rielly	65	1410:46	62:31	65	4	37	41
Calle Jarnkrok	73	1049:55	117:29	73	20	19	39
Alexander Kerfoot	82	1198:45	132:49	82	10	22	32
David Kampf	82	1255:13	216:33	82	7	20	27

 

[Notsince67]

Haha yeah, he scores goals, but has zero defensive and checking game. Yet he wants 10 mil per, get a life Willy

I bet Calgary would pay it

 

[Notsince67]

Thought the ice time difference between Matthews and Nylander was interesting.
Just for perspective with regards to points and time played.

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[TD]Mitchell Marner[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]1702:06[/TD]
[TD]182:59[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]30[/TD]
[TD]69[/TD]
[TD]99[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]William Nylander[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]1520:27[/TD]
[TD]18:52[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]47[/TD]
[TD]87[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Auston Matthews[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]1500:36[/TD]
[TD]3:29[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]40[/TD]
[TD]45[/TD]
[TD]85[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]John Tavares[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]1412:31[/TD]
[TD]0:54[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]36[/TD]
[TD]44[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Michael Bunting[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]1295:21[/TD]
[TD]0:05[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]23[/TD]
[TD]26[/TD]
[TD]49[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Morgan Rielly[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD]1410:46[/TD]
[TD]62:31[/TD]
[TD]65[/TD]
[TD]4[/TD]
[TD]37[/TD]
[TD]41[/TD]
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[TR]
[TD]Calle Jarnkrok[/TD]
[TD]73[/TD]
[TD]1049:55[/TD]
[TD]117:29[/TD]
[TD]73[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]19[/TD]
[TD]39[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Alexander Kerfoot[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]1198:45[/TD]
[TD]132:49[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]10[/TD]
[TD]22[/TD]
[TD]32[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]David Kampf[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]1255:13[/TD]
[TD]216:33[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]7[/TD]
[TD]20[/TD]
[TD]27[/TD]
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Wait a minute. Why does Willy get an extra minute at ev and pp than mitch?
Unfair I tell you.

 

[PromisedLand]

220 games is the last three seasons (56 + 82 + 82). Phil Kessel is the only RW to play all 220 games.

Among right wingers with 200-220 games in the last three seasons, Willy is:

- second in OT goals
- tied for third in ES goals
- fourth in goals and assists
- fifth in points, PPG, and PP goals
- tied for fifth in GWG.
- sixth in ES points (one behind fourth) and PP points
- tenth in shooting %

- sixth in PP TOI
- eleventh in ES TOI

Stats from NHL.com.

thats great that, it means Nylander can fetch quite a bit in return for the leafs in a trade

Nylander and Marner are the luxury leafs cannot have in a cap world. Leafs have gotta choose one to keep and the other to trade.

Evidence from last 7 years has clearly suggested that the team cannot have success with such a cap allocation the way Leafs currently have.

I personally would prefer to trade Marner, but that ship has sailed on July 1st with full ntc/nmc of Marner kicking in. That means, by deafault Nylander either signs for 8 to 8.5 AAV or Leafs can work with Nylander to find him a team that will pay Willy 10 to 10.5 AAV and get a solid return for it.

Leafs have gotta move on and plan for other things as well. Its a team game afterall once individual isn't going to have significant impact on team results (unless ofcourse its McDavid but thats not the case )

 

[Notsince67]

Wait a minute. Why does Willy get an extra minute at ev and pp than mitch?
Unfair I tell you.

Cancel that. I see willy did some pk. Unfair that Willy gets 18 minutes less in a year.
Am I doing this right?

 

[PromisedLand]

Negotiations are largely dependent on leverage, whether in sports, labour unions or law firms (I know the latter all too well). Nylander's agent would not be doing a good job for his client if all he did was point to a contract signed one, two or three years ago by a player on a different team in a different situation and say "we'll settle for that one". It is even more pronounced for Matthews, who absolutely should be asking for at least $14 million (even based solely on contract value inflation). The numbers these players ultimately settle for may be lower based on their personal situations and approach to negotiations, but the vitriol spewed by most fans in reaction to these numbers is not rational.

1 playoff round win in the last 7 years while getting the best NHL contracts right after ELC for both Matthews and Marner (significantly over paid and less term); I wouldn't say "vitriol spewed by fans being not rational"; as far as I am concerned it is completely justified!

Matthews, Nylander and Marner can ask for the world; doesn't mean that the team should just bendover. There is 7 years worth of evidence about what these three guys do especially when it comes to playoffs.

Thanks but no thanks!

 

[ULF_55]

Wait a minute. Why does Willy get an extra minute at ev and pp than mitch?
Unfair I tell you.

Oh wait, nope 1 second more PP time, but 41 seconds less EV time.



But I was comparing Matthews' production with Nylander's production. marner starts his contract negotiations next year. This year probably isn't the best year for Matthews to be negotiating, coming off a down year. Perhaps a good year for Nylander, since in about the same amount of time as Matthews he matched his production.

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[TD]TOI[/TD]
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[TD]Mitchell Marner[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]1702:06[/TD]
[TD]182:59[/TD]
[TD]21:17[/TD]

[TD]

0​

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[TD]1233:08[/TD]
[TD]285:59[/TD]
[TD]182:59[/TD]
[TD]21:17[/TD]
[TD]15:25[/TD]
[TD]3:34[/TD]
[TD]2:17[/TD]
[TD]19:51[/TD]
[TD]1:03[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]William Nylander[/TD]
[TD]82[/TD]
[TD]1520:27[/TD]
[TD]18:52[/TD]
[TD]18:33[/TD]

[TD]

42.4​

[/TD]

[TD]1207:50[/TD]
[TD]293:45[/TD]
[TD]18:52[/TD]
[TD]18:33[/TD]
[TD]14:44[/TD]
[TD]3:35[/TD]
[TD]0:14[/TD]
[TD]16:12[/TD]
[TD]0:51[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]Auston Matthews[/TD]
[TD]74[/TD]
[TD]1500:36[/TD]
[TD]3:29[/TD]
[TD]20:17[/TD]

[TD]

52.4​

[/TD]

[TD]1228:50[/TD]
[TD]268:17[/TD]
[TD]3:29[/TD]
[TD]20:17[/TD]
[TD]16:36[/TD]
[TD]3:38[/TD]
[TD]0:03[/TD]
[TD]22:09[/TD]
[TD]1:10[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]John Tavares[/TD]
[TD]80[/TD]
[TD]1412:31[/TD]
[TD]0:54[/TD]
[TD]17:39[/TD]

[TD]

58.3​

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[TD]1135:25[/TD]
[TD]276:12[/TD]
[TD]0:54[/TD]
[TD]17:39[/TD]
[TD]14:12[/TD]
[TD]3:27[/TD]
[TD]0:01[/TD]
[TD]15:38[/TD]
[TD]0:49[/TD]
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[Mess]

The ship has sailed for Matty and Mitch. Their full NMC kicked in July 1st. Lunacy is bringing them all back and thinking you can win with them by shuffling the deck chairs around them another year. At this point you have to overpay 16 and 34, let them walk for nothing or get them to waive.

There is still time to move on from Willie. With JT coming off the books in two years the cap could be more manageable with only 2 10+m players on the roster.

Agreed ..

Considering the situation and factoring in the incompetence of the past GM, then if Treliving comes out of this Cap Hell with only 2 of the Core making >$10 mil would be a big victory for the organization.

Can't undo AM and MM so he has to hold the line with Willy and then course correct with Tavares.

 

[Dekes For Days]

This year probably isn't the best year for Matthews to be negotiating, coming off a down year.

Doesn't really make a difference, since contracts aren't based on one year, and everybody understands he was injured.

 

[ULF_55]

Agreed ..

Considering the situation and factoring in the incompetence of the past GM, then if Treliving comes out of this Cap Hell with only 2 of the Core making >$10 mil would be a big victory for the organization.

Can't undo AM and MM so he has to hold the line with Willy and then course correct with Tavares.

Yep, trading Nylander is the easiest course nudge.

The NMC's for the Double Digit$ are an albatross that isn't flying away any time soon.

Trade Nylander for someone who can play with marner and Matthews in the playoffs to get them over their stage fright in big moments.

Nylander will be fine no matter where he goes, the problem is in Toronto.

 

[notDatsyuk]

This fan base is just dumb. We just had a local guy leave here on the same deal, and we are fighting over what f***ing Nylander gets? What the f*** has Nylander done to get 10 plus? Oh he scored 90+points! Sure who did he play with? Some of the best ever! Ok no thanks! Unless it’s a championship no thanks. Dude floated literally floated on shifts in round 1 and we gotta pay him 10 mil nope!

Tavares, Jarnkrok, Kerfoot - "some of the best ever"? Seriously?

He got to play a very little bit with Matthews (as close to 'best ever' as we have at the moment) at even strength and on the PP. Other than that, he's been producing well with mainly a bunch of third liners.

I agree he's not worth $10M, but Marner probably isn't and Tavares certainly not.