Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[egd27]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

In 5 years? What do you think will take so long?

 

[notDatsyuk]

No, the mess up was really with Matthews

11.634 x 5 was a brutal contract. It set the stage for Marner’s stupid demands and what followed

The mess up goes even farther back.

$11Mx7 with a full NMC for an unnecessary 2C, instead of the D and G we desperately needed.

It set the stage for a true 1C to demand more, and for a top line winger to want the same.

 

[egd27]

Florida was that until last year, were you calling them trash going in the playoffs? Serious question.

Boston is an atrocious team, only second round in the last 4 years.

Edmonton has won 4 rounds in McDavid's entire career, trade that bum.

Still resorting to whataboutism when you have no other argument I see.

I suppoise those on these boards who seem to continually live in the past will do so. To be honest, for me, once a season is over, it's on to the next. There just seems to be little point in worrying about could have been.

Fair enough, but there is something to the saying that those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

 

[MCR74]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

I started saying it after he signed the big 4 to too much money.

 

[AvroArrow]

The mess up goes even farther back.

$11Mx7 with a full NMC for an unnecessary 2C, instead of the D and G we desperately needed.

It set the stage for a true 1C to demand more, and for a top line winger to want the same.

Yup. We could have waited for Pietro in free agency another Ontario kid, one of my buddies played with him in the OHL they're still pretty tight, he apparently had interest in coming home before the Tavares deal.

It really sucks to say, but the Tavares contract was the worst thing to happen to this core. We had Kadri at 4.5M in the 2C role, we couldn't afford to pay Hyman to keep him here. I'd much rather have Kadri and Hyman even on their new deals at 12.5M than JT at 11M.

On the positive side, we are still in a better position than most of the teams in the league. It's a setback for sure, but we can still build a legit cup contender.

 

[notbias]

Yup. We could have waited for Pietro in free agency another Ontario kid, one of my buddies played with him in the OHL they're still pretty tight, he apparently had interest in coming home before the Tavares deal.

It really sucks to say, but the Tavares contract was the worst thing to happen to this core. We had Kadri at 4.5M in the 2C role, we couldn't afford to pay Hyman to keep him here. I'd much rather have Kadri and Hyman even on their new deals at 12.5M than JT at 11M.

On the positive side, we are still in a better position than most of the teams in the league. It's a setback for sure, but we can still build a legit cup contender.

Pietro is not even a good #1D anymore, people would be crying like they are now.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Pietro is not even a good #1D anymore, people would be crying like they are now.

He was also never expected to be available. St Louis going full crazy and Pietrangelo not signing was a surprise to everybody, including Pietrangelo. He's also older than Tavares and signed for 2 years longer than Tavares. If we consider Tavares a cap anchor, we would absolutely consider Pietrangelo a cap anchor.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Yup. We could have waited for Pietro in free agency another Ontario kid, one of my buddies played with him in the OHL they're still pretty tight, he apparently had interest in coming home before the Tavares deal.

It really sucks to say, but the Tavares contract was the worst thing to happen to this core. We had Kadri at 4.5M in the 2C role, we couldn't afford to pay Hyman to keep him here. I'd much rather have Kadri and Hyman even on their new deals at 12.5M than JT at 11M.

On the positive side, we are still in a better position than most of the teams in the league. It's a setback for sure, but we can still build a legit cup contender.

Except for the part about Pietro, I agree.

 

[Menzinger]

Is there a chance nylander plays this year with the leafs without an extension

There's certainly a chance that could unfold if the Leafs make the decision to trade him by the end of the summer but don't like the quality of the available offers.

Though I'd say if he enters the season without a contract,.there would be close to zero chance he ends it that way on the Leafs. He would either be traded or extended by the tdl.

I'd say though, ultimately the highest probability is that one way or the other the Nylander question will be answered before training camp

 

[ULF_55]

Obviously, accounts go to work on these amounts.

Just a very basic demonstration about taxes even in Canada.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

We better get a PLD like return for Willy if we are trading him. Treliving should be fired on the spot if he trades him for some garbage package like Lindholm/Hanifin and Backlund. I don’t think Calgary even make good trade partners. Unless we’re getting their unprotected first, their assets mostly suck.

 

[Notsince67]

Is there a chance nylander plays this year with the leafs without an extension

If they aren't strapped for cap space and the offers suck, you hold on to him and trade him at the trade deadline. Based move to get rid of someone so good as a playoff contender but judging from what teams are getting in that window for role players, I can see a pretty rich bounty that they could use to grab someone great from a non-contender.

 

[barilko05]

The mess up goes even farther back.

$11Mx7 with a full NMC for an unnecessary 2C, instead of the D and G we desperately needed.

It set the stage for a true 1C to demand more, and for a top line winger to want the same.

Revisionist history. Freddie Anderson was a quality G, and no-one questioned his cred when he arrived. He didn't live up to it, but lots of players don't. It happens. And we needed a 2nd centre because Kadri had become a liability. Plain and simple. JT's contract, and M&M's subsequent deals, wouldn't be an issue today if not for COVID and the cap freeze...which no-one saw coming.

 

[BM14]

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Obviously, accounts go to work on these amounts.

Just a very basic demonstration about taxes even in Canada.

Now do all the southern US teams we subsidize!

 

[socko]

We better get a PLD like return for Willy if we are trading him. Treliving should be fired on the spot if he trades him for some garbage package like Lindholm/Hanifin and Backlund. I don’t think Calgary even make good trade partners. Unless we’re getting their unprotected first, their assets mostly suck.

I'm far more concerned about Carolina. I will puke if we trade for Pesce. Overrated broken down aging stay at home defenseman that has had multiple shoulder surgeries. And apparently he's available because he's looking for a big raise from Carolina. The only thing even mildly appealing about him now is that he doesn't have a big contract. I'll take Hanifin 100 times out of 100. He has top 5 talent. Is an elite skater. And has no hard mileage on him. There is a reason that Carolina fans are always trying to trade Pesce, you connect the dots.

 

[andora]

We kept prospects over picks... Dubas should have just traded all our prospects instead or a mix so people wouldn't complain about such a dumb thing.

There will forever be an asterisk beside Tampa's and Vegas' cup, you may not see it, but a lot of people do.

If we have players and management that is willing to cheat to win, I hope we do it too. But I don't consider them a good franchise for cheating.

We have been over the cap for years too.. but it is just because other teams chose to time things better?

 

[Racer88]

Revisionist history. Freddie Anderson was a quality G, and no-one questioned his cred when he arrived. He didn't live up to it, but lots of players don't. It happens. And we needed a 2nd centre because Kadri had become a liability. Plain and simple. JT's contract, and M&M's subsequent deals, wouldn't be an issue today if not for COVID and the cap freeze...which no-one saw coming.

Agreed that nobody saw Covid coming but no other team spent 50% of the cap on 4 similar forwards hoping the cap would go up big time

 

[socko]

Kadri played the entire 2018-19 season with Tavares in Toronto. I see the correlation between the suspensions and Tavares as very weak. It was a toy and Toronto wanted it just like Stamkos two years before. I really wish we could have got Stamkos, if for no other reason than we wouldn't have had any money for Tavares.

 

[93gilmour93]

I recently saw a list of the top scoring right wingers in the last 200-220 games when talking about Nylander that had him around 5th or 6th in the league. Can’t remember if it was on tv or in a thread. Does anyone have a link to this? Talking leafs with a few guys and can’t find what I saw/read.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

It’s just absolutely hilarious that we have been paying these guys 11+ million for what seems like forever now and the rest of the NHLs stars are just starting to catch up salary wise. When they start getting $11 million contracts, we’ll probably be paying out 17 million lol

 

[Mess]

I can see trouble brewing in the future that is impacting today's rate of pay for Willy.

Willy wants $10.5 mil per and Leafs want him at $8.5 mil price point.

Reason player usage.

What is going to happen to Nylander's production when Tyler Bertuzzi joins Matthews, Marner and Tavares with either Rielly/Klingberg on PP#1 and Nylander is forced off it and onto PP#2?

Willy's points production will drop and Bertuzzi with rise.. Then when WIlly in making $8.5 mil the Leafs can also re-sign Bertuzzi for $7.5 mil when both similar 30 goals and 70ish point players, using the $2 mil saved on Nylander deal now to afford the Bertuzzi raise next year, and be able to keep both players at $16 mil combined as opposed to Willy at $10.5 and letting TB walk as UFA because you can't afford him.

Good Cap management requires long-term planning not just year to year resets, whereas oversp[ending in 1 year has a domino effect on future years .. When players leave some money on the table it allows for a better surrounding cast.

 

[All Mod Cons]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

To be fair, there were posters that saw all of this coming in real time. The ones that "weren't really Leafs fans" seemed to have a very good handle on what was happening - the continued destruction of a once very promising situation. Looking back now, in hindsight, i couldn't think of a single person that could destroy what we had, any quicker, than Kyle Dubas. I sincerley hope we never hire anyone with similar characteristics again.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Why is this thread 90 percent Marner lol.

In a just world, this thread would morph into a comprehensive review of Aki Berg's glorious career as a Leaf.

Despite what some like to claim, our losses are not all Marner's fault.
In the past 3 playoffs, we have outscored our opposing line 3-1, 7-4, and 10-5 while Marner is on the ice at 5v5.
In the past 5 playoffs, we have outplayed our opposing line and generated more and better shots/chances (53.3%, 63.9%, 66.3%, 60.5%, and 56.1%) while Marner is on the ice at 5v5.

What are those numbers in series clinching/elimination games?

Wait until you see how many cups that group has from elevating their play (thanks Makar).

Infinitely more?

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

Dubas is only on the hook for the last five years. Tre gets the next whatever.

 

[PromisedLand]

Would be interesting if some how the 10 team no trade list of Nylander leaked in the media

 

[PromisedLand]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

In 5 years? I said it the moment he handed out the contract to Tavares and then to Matthews. Marner was another kick in the nuts after.

Kyle Dubas is the biggest anchor that has happened to this franchise since Ballard.

And no I am not over reacting. Dubas ruined the best chance this franchise has had in eons.