Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Racer88]

Calgary Flames interested in a William Nylander trade​

If William Nylander is indeed traded, he could be headed to the Calgary Flames. Flames defenseman Noah Hanifin has stated he has no intention of signing a long-term deal in Calgary and it makes sense for him to come back in a trade for Nylander.

The NHL rumor that has gained the most traction is Hanifin and Mikael Backlund at 50% retained for Nylander.

Will Toronto and Calgary pull off this trade? Who knows? Nylander likely will not back down from his $10 million/year demand. Brad Treliving will have some tough decisions to make in the coming days or weeks.

Rumors have him seeking a salary for $10 million/year where Leafs management have offered him just under $9 million/year.

Good send him

 

[Mess]

Lindholm would be a great addition for us, allowing us to shift Tavares to LW while rolling a more traditional 2-way center who has elite defensive ability. Would be my target for sure.

But is calgary on willie’s ntc list?

What we do know is Leafs management has requested Nylander's 10 team NTC list, implying Leafs are exploring all their options.

The Maple Leafs life just got much harder with them having a NTC submitted today which will make it harder to move a star player if they want to.

Nylander Submits No Trade Clause​

The Toronto Maple Leafs have been working with forward William Nylander on an extension. Today, he submitted his 10 team no trade list.

 

[Racer88]

How did some of us fall so low in our expectation that we want to back the brinks truck up to these guys when from a team standpoint they have accomplished nothing, zero, nada

 

[rojac]

Calgary Flames interested in a William Nylander trade​

If William Nylander is indeed traded, he could be headed to the Calgary Flames. Flames defenseman Noah Hanifin has stated he has no intention of signing a long-term deal in Calgary and it makes sense for him to come back in a trade for Nylander.

The NHL rumor that has gained the most traction is Hanifin and Mikael Backlund at 50% retained for Nylander.

Will Toronto and Calgary pull off this trade? Who knows? Nylander likely will not back down from his $10 million/year demand. Brad Treliving will have some tough decisions to make in the coming days or weeks.

Rumors have him seeking a salary for $10 million/year where Leafs management have offered him just under $9 million/year.

Is this a quote of something? If so, is there a reason you're not giving the source?

 

[notbias]

I agree it’s hard to win a cup and apparently it’s hard for the Leafs to win more than a single 1st single round win.
While this current group is only responsible for the last 5-7 years that doesn’t change the fact that this is the first round win in 20 year and no cup since 1967. The fact that so many of us have remained Leafs fans says that we are anything but “ least patient”
to say that we are irrational is wrong as well.
An inexperienced President hired a rookie GM who then hired a rookie coach.
Said GM then instituted a cap structure that has been one attempt to surround the expensive 4 with scrap heap players and the result is 1 round win.
Wanting real change and meaningful results and not just sending bags more money to these guys is not irrational.
I would argue that running the same thing over and over again……same core, same failure of a coach and jus accepting this is irrational

We finally have a good team, and everyone wants to blow it up. Who cares about 20 years ago? That is what I am talking about with patience and irrationality.

This inexperience thing is beaten to death and it's so incredibly dumb... go look at a lot of the most recent cup winners.

Rest is just typical talking points that have been beaten to death.

The new way to win the cup is to sit players out until the playoffs (2/4 years the cup winner did this), so let's follow that model.

Washington, Tampa, and Colorado are all losers who ran the same core back over and over again and then won.

Does Edmonton need to trade McDavid and Draisaitl? Same core losing every year.

We've had different coaches, different GMs, same results, it is almost like there is not a perfect formula to winning the cup because every year, the team looks different that wins.

How did some of us fall so low in our expectation that we want to back the brinks truck up to these guys when from a team standpoint they have accomplished nothing, zero, nada

From a team standpoint barely anyone has accomplished anything in the NHL in the last 5 years, very few people have won a cup. What is McDavid worth? Overpaid clearly, right?

 

[ToDavid]

I keep thinking it will probably be Hanifin as the main asset in return for Nylander. Hanifin is a year younger than Nylander, was a slightly higher draft pick and is a couple mil cheaper on the year. Hanifin may not like Canadian teams, but with Treliving here it gives us an edge and being the southern most Canadian city in a good competitive market may be enough for him to stay. Likewise, Nylander was born in Calgary and would probably take their highest offer, like Huberdeau and Weegar before him.

If Hanifin comes in at 6.5M-7M on an 8 year deal, while Nylander grabs 9.5M-10M per over 8 years. The Leafs do get the extra needed cap room to make good sized changes, while playing it smart asset management wise.

Hanifin + Backlund (50% retained) + Zadorov or Hanifin + Lindholm for Nylander + Brodie

Is another LD really the big fish to target? If there’s a prize to pry out of Calgary it’s Andersson, though that would be quite a bit more expensive.

 

[Mess]

Is this a quote of something? If so, is there a reason you're not giving the source?

No problem.. Here is your source.

Maple Leafs’ Treliving Not Afraid to Trade William Nylander​

Maple Leafs' Treliving Not Afraid to Trade William Nylander - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

With both sides still far apart on a new deal, it's not an impossible thought that Brad Treliving could explore trade options for Nylander.

thehockeywriters.com

Toronto Maple Leafs Red Hot Trade Rumour: William Nylander to Calgary?​

Toronto Maple Leafs Red Hot Trade Rumour: William Nylander to Calgary?

Rumors are swirling that the Toronto Maple Leafs may be trading William Nylander to the Calgary Flames in exchange for Noah Hanifin.

editorinleaf.com

 

[notbias]

I keep thinking it will probably be Hanifin as the main asset in return for Nylander. Hanifin is a year younger than Nylander, was a slightly higher draft pick and is a couple mil cheaper on the year. Hanifin may not like Canadian teams, but with Treliving here it gives us an edge and being the southern most Canadian city in a good competitive market may be enough for him to stay. Likewise, Nylander was born in Calgary and would probably take their highest offer, like Huberdeau and Weegar before him.

If Hanifin comes in at 6.5M-7M on an 8 year deal, while Nylander grabs 9.5M-10M per over 8 years. The Leafs do get the extra needed cap room to make good sized changes, while playing it smart asset management wise.

Hanifin + Backlund (50% retained) + Zadorov or Hanifin + Lindholm for Nylander + Brodie

Zadorov is bad.

Hanifin won't re-sign.

Bye bye scoring depth that we had for a week.

 

[rojac]

What we do know is Leafs management has requested Nylander's 10 team NTC list, implying Leafs are exploring all their options.

The Maple Leafs life just got much harder with them having a NTC submitted today which will make it harder to move a star player if they want to.

Nylander Submits No Trade Clause​

The Toronto Maple Leafs have been working with forward William Nylander on an extension. Today, he submitted his 10 team no trade list.

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I'm sorry. Do we know that the Leafs requested a list? I was under the impression that no-trade lists were usually something that was submitted every July 1st. Willy submitting a list could very well just be fulfilling a contractual obliga tion.

 

[Racer88]

We finally have a good team, and everyone wants to blow it up. Who cares about 20 years ago? That is what I am talking about with patience and irrationality.

This inexperience thing is beaten to death and it's so incredibly dumb... go look at a lot of the most recent cup winners.

Rest is just typical talking points that have been beaten to death.

The new way to win the cup is to sit players out until the playoffs (2/4 years the cup winner did this), so let's follow that model.

Washington, Tampa, and Colorado are all losers who ran the same core back over and over again and then won.

Does Edmonton need to trade McDavid and Draisaitl? Same core losing every year.

We've had different coaches, different GMs, same results, it is almost like there is not a perfect formula to winning the cup because every year, the team looks different that wins.



From a team standpoint barely anyone has accomplished anything, what is McDavid worth? Overpaid clearly, right?

The reason the typical talking points are typical is because they are real.
You say we have a good team. I would argue we have some skill on our team but I wouldn’t call the a good “team”. As far as their recent record……that’s a real thing.
Do you think “Good teams” go out in the first round 6 years in a row and when they finally making to the second round they crap the bed and lose in 5.
Is that really what you think a good team should be?

 

[rojac]

No problem.. Here is your source.

Maple Leafs’ Treliving Not Afraid to Trade William Nylander​

Maple Leafs' Treliving Not Afraid to Trade William Nylander - The Hockey Writers Latest News, Analysis & More

With both sides still far apart on a new deal, it's not an impossible thought that Brad Treliving could explore trade options for Nylander.

thehockeywriters.com

So, it's speculation by someone who writes for a website. I've never gotten the feeling that thehockeywriters.com is a site that is highly respected for its views. But as usual, I could be wrong.

 

[Racer88]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

 

[notbias]

The reason the typical talking points are typical is because they are real.
You say we have a good team. I would argue we have some skill on our team but I wouldn’t call the a good “team”. As far as their recent record……that’s a real thing.
Do you think “Good teams” go out in the first round 6 years in a row and when they finally making to the second round they crap the bed and lose in 5.
Is that really what you think a good team should be?

Florida was that until last year, were you calling them trash going in the playoffs? Serious question.

Boston is an atrocious team, only second round in the last 4 years.

Edmonton has won 4 rounds in McDavid's entire career, trade that bum.

 

[ToneDog]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

Some have been saying it for some time. LOL.

 

[rojac]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

But did he screw up by having them as the core or did he screw up by never actually getting the right suppoprting cast? I'm honestly not sure one way or another.

 

[ACC1224]

But did he screw up by having them as the core or did he screw up by never actually getting the right suppoprting cast? I'm honestly not sure one way or another.

Praying it's the latter.

I'm sorry. Do we know that the Leafs requested a list? I was under the impression that no-trade lists were usually something that was submitted every July 1st. Willy submitting a list could very well just be fulfilling a contractual obliga tion.

That was always my understanding.

 

[rojac]

In 5 years we are going to look back and say My God Dubas really screwed up what should have been good times with Matthews, Marner and Willy.

I suppoise those on these boards who seem to continually live in the past will do so. To be honest, for me, once a season is over, it's on to the next. There just seems to be little point in worrying about could have been.

 

[notbias]

But did he screw up by having them as the core or did he screw up by never actually getting the right suppoprting cast? I'm honestly not sure one way or another.

You see he screwed up because they are worthless losers who we should have signed to bargain bin deals or traded them because they are losers.

Also, we should sign some or all of them, even though they are all money-chasing losers.

Also, let's trade them if they won't sign for a big haul because they have a lot of worth even though they are losers.

Also, we were trending upwards under Lou and those were the glory days, but Dubas was supposed to know not to sign these players to these contracts because he was supposed to know they were losers at that point.

 

[Racer88]

Florida was that until last year, were you calling them trash going in the playoffs? Serious question.

Boston is an atrocious team, only second round in the last 4 years.

Edmonton has won 4 rounds in McDavid's entire career, trade that bum.

Agreed to all the above, however just because there are examples of unsuccessful teams doesn’t mean that we should be ok with being one.
I would call Vegas a good team. Not only because they won the cup but because they accomplished in 6 years what we have failed in 56 years and I don’t care about how they entered the league. They have managed their assets and traded players when necessary and built a very good team.

Some have been saying it for some time. LOL.

I’m on that train but some still blindly think he was great

 

[notbias]

Agreed to all the above, however just because there are examples of unsuccessful teams doesn’t mean that we should be ok with being one.
I would call Vegas a good team. Not only because they won the cup but because they accomplished in 6 years what we have failed in 56 years and I don’t care about how they entered the league. They have managed their assets and traded players when necessary and built a very good team.

Vegas needed an extra 10 million to win, wouldn't call them a good team without the normal rules, they had to bend (I think break) the rules to win.

They accomplished nothing before last year, a loser is a loser. They have minimal assets.

 

[Kurtz]

We finally have a good team, and everyone wants to blow it up. Who cares about 20 years ago? That is what I am talking about with patience and irrationality.

This inexperience thing is beaten to death and it's so incredibly dumb... go look at a lot of the most recent cup winners.

Rest is just typical talking points that have been beaten to death.

The new way to win the cup is to sit players out until the playoffs (2/4 years the cup winner did this), so let's follow that model.

Washington, Tampa, and Colorado are all losers who ran the same core back over and over again and then won.

Does Edmonton need to trade McDavid and Draisaitl? Same core losing every year.

We've had different coaches, different GMs, same results, it is almost like there is not a perfect formula to winning the cup because every year, the team looks different that wins.



From a team standpoint barely anyone has accomplished anything in the NHL in the last 5 years, very few people have won a cup. What is McDavid worth? Overpaid clearly, right?

I don't think people want to blow it up, folks are just voicing their thoughts because of these facts:

1. Tre has said that he wants to add a big dman or big dmen.
2. We're having trouble negotiating with Willy
3. We're currently over the cap and if we're able to LTIR or otherwise rid ourselves of Muzzin and Murray with no retention, that leaves us with $2.4m in cap which is not enough to sign Samsonov (although we could solve this by trading Jarnkrok for futures and signing Bailey or promoting Pontus).

 

[Racer88]

But did he screw up by having them as the core or did he screw up by never actually getting the right suppoprting cast? I'm honestly not sure one way or another.

His first MAJOR screwup was signing Tavares when he was the last thing we needed. That set the table for the greedy contracts the others got.
His other fatal flaw was treating goaltending as an afterthought.
Look at the nightmare we are going through with Murray right now and Mrazek before that

 

[Mess]

I'm sorry. Do we know that the Leafs requested a list? I was under the impression that no-trade lists were usually something that was submitted every July 1st. Willy submitting a list could very well just be fulfilling a contractual obliga tion.

William Nylander and the Maple Leafs going down the trade route?​

As of today, Nylander's modified no trade clause has kicked in. Per the NHL's no-trade list rules, a player must submit their list within 48 hours of their team requesting it. Today, Nylander submitted his list. Leafs GM Brad Treliving has been working hard towards an extension, but it seems that with the team and the player still not close, the Leafs may be exploring the trade market.

Treliving has been down this road before with Johnny Gaudreau and lost him in free agency. It's no coincidence that with Nylander and Gaudreau sharing the same agent in Lewis Gross, Treliving isn't letting it happen again.

William Nylander and the Maple Leafs going down the trade route?

Leafs and Nylander heading towards a split? Find out more here!

www.mapleleafsinsider.com

 

[notbias]

I don't think people want to blow it up, folks are just voicing their thoughts because of these facts:

1. Tre has said that he wants to add a big dman or big dmen.
2. We're having trouble negotiating with Willy
3. We're currently over the cap and if we're able to LTIR or otherwise rid ourselves of Muzzin and Murray with no retention, that leaves us with $2.4m in cap which is not enough to sign Samsonov (although we could solve this by trading Jarnkrok for futures and signing Bailey or promoting Pontus).

1. How? Trading the scoring depth we desperately need? Makes no sense. And if he is doing this, get useful ones and not plugs like Zadorov.
2. That's fine, we can check the trade market, also I am not sure we are having trouble negotiating as much as the media is telling us about negotiations.
3. We have 3 million with Murray/Muzzin off

 

[Racer88]

Vegas needed an extra 10 million to win, wouldn't call them a good team without the normal rules, they had to bend (I think break) the rules to win.

They accomplished nothing before last year, a loser is a loser. They have minimal assets.

They have a cup and fans don’t ask how they ask how many.
We have 1 single round win and very few assets……..just look at us at the draft this year