Rumor: Nylander like Matthews unextended. Nothing to see here.

[Legion34]

In terms of "hockey", Rantanen was better.

In terms of "contract negotiating", Marner was better.

As much as you have been proven wrong over and over and over again. At least this was kind of funny

 

[ULF_55]

I don't disagree with the whole psyche aspect of this place, that's always cracked me up.
Why are you here though if you find it 'boring, mundane conversation'?

There really is no rush on any of these deals.

Just going to be interesting with the newly signed contracts from outside the team.

 

[Mess]

That's assuming Nylander would sign with the new team.
IMO, if he doesn't like how things are going he will just go UFA and pick his destination

Yes, you would have to involve Willy in the discussion, because he has to be the one to agree to a new contract with Toronto first to get that 8th year, and also his next destination. But if Leafs found him a team willing to meet his asking price and he gets on 8 year term how hard would it be to convince him? "Hey Willy, Team X is willing to give you $10.5 mil X 8 year deal [$84 mil total guaranteed] what do you say?".

Treliving did a sign and trade with Tkachuk who was willing to go to Florida, just has to find a new home that will make Willy happy.

But if Leafs are offering a number in the 8's and Willy wants one starting with a 10 then you have too big a gap to bridge, and you have to break this over-payment cycle. Of course a extended Nylander will return more in trade then a 1 year rental player, and not re-signing him and letting him walk away is real bad for the Leafs asset management.

So the solution is this idea which is based on not letting him walk for free and also not overpaying him to stay, and getting full market value in return from a team that really wants him.

Its a WIN-WIN situation all around for Willy and the Leafs.

 

[leafsfan5]

Tbh it's both of it.

Yeah both of them are definitely huge screw ups, but Matthews is what started all these problems

Crazy how 4 years later we’re having big issues due to how badly Dubas botched these contracts

 

[Mess]

There won't be. Let his agent go looking and when he can't find any, he will be forced to lower his demands or continuing to wait out the Leafs. Buckle up, this negotiation is going to take months IMO.

I'm of the mindset of "Fish or Cut Bait", while others might say "Crap or get off the Pot" of should stop wasting time and get on with something..

If you know under no uncertain terms that you're never going to meet Nylander's demands of a contract in the 10's then what is the use in prolonging this out?

The best time to trade him would be in the offseason when teams have cap flexibility and can make moves and overspend the cap assembling teams for next year.. Once the season starts it becomes much more limited options because of the salary cap on both sides of any trade and potentially limted trade partners.

The only other plan would be to use Willy as an own rental for 1 year, and then let him walk away next summer, but that is poor asset management which BT already faced with Johnny Gaudreau in Calgary thinking a deal was to be had, then the player simply left. The closer this comes to UFA status for Willy the more likely he would be willing to test the market first to see his # and then decide to return to Toronto.

It be hard to image Treliving pulling a Stamkos here, and offering Nylander a 8 X $8.8 deal today and riding out the season and then having Willy test free agency and then return home for the same deal he could sign today, only now 7 years in term instead. Stamkos tested the market even his home town Toronto and went back to TB for their hard line offer of 8 X $8.5 mil.

 

[Metroid]

MLSE fell victim to insider self sabatoge.... It's the only way all of this makes sense...

 

[Nineteen67]

That's assuming Nylander would sign with the new team.
IMO, if he doesn't like how things are going he will just go UFA and pick his destination

You let him negotiate a contract with a mutually accepted team, the Leafs sign him to the negotiated contract, and they make the trade.

 

[Trapper]

I'm of the mindset of "Fish or Cut Bait", while others might say "Crap or get off the Pot" of should stop wasting time and get on with something..

If you know under no uncertain terms that you're never going to meet Nylander's demands of a contract in the 10's then what is the use in prolonging this out?

The best time to trade him would be in the offseason when teams have cap flexibility and can make moves and overspend the cap assembling teams for next year.. Once the season starts it becomes much more limited options because of the salary cap on both sides of any trade and potentially limted trade partners.

The only other plan would be to use Willy as an own rental for 1 year, and then let him walk away next summer, but that is poor asset management which BT already faced with Johnny Gaudreau in Calgary thinking a deal was to be had, then the player simply left. The closer this comes to UFA status for Willy the more likely he would be willing to test the market first to see his # and then decide to return to Toronto.

It be hard to image Treliving pulling a Stamkos here, and offering Nylander a 8 X $8.8 deal today and riding out the season and then having Willy test free agency and then return home for the same deal he could sign today, only now 7 years in term instead. Stamkos tested the market even his home town Toronto and went back to TB for their hard line offer of 8 X $8.5 mil.

Team is first Mess.
You have to have a salary structure in place.
You can’t just pay everyone what they want.
You should know what Matthews wants.
You know what players like Rielly will be making.
You need to afford depth.
You make a decent, fair offer to Nylander based on all of the above and if he doesn’t like it, you trade him. Dubas should have let him sit the last time. Now, is history repeating? Or do you have the chance to correct it?

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Team is first Mess.
You have to have a salary structure in place.
You can’t just pay everyone what they want.
You should know what Matthews wants.
You know what players like Rielly will be making.
You need to afford depth.
You make a decent, fair offer to Nylander based on all of the above and if he doesn’t like it, you trade him. Dubas should have let him sit the last time. Now, is history repeating? Or do you have the chance to correct it?

Hi five

 

[Whoshattenkirkshoes]

Question coming from a non leafs fan(bolts fan) what are the odds Nylander is traded before the season? can you fit him on the cap the way it is?

I really like the current roster tbh

 

[Mess]

MLSE fell victim to insider self sabatoge.... It's the only way all of this makes sense...

Fortunately the days of a Snake Oil Salesman managing the team, and selling Hockey-Puck analytics as the road to ultimate future success to MLSE is behind us now.
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Unfortunately is was a tough lesson to learn and many good years wasted during a Cup competitive window being charmed by false promises, and the damage is now down and can't be undone.

Of all the core 4 signings only Nylander's deal was at market value based on his performance, but now unfortunately he might also have to be the one to pay the price for past transgressions.

While I can really see Willy's side and sympathize with his position that why should all 3 of his teammates make +$4 mil more than him, however 2 wrongs don't make a right as they say so BT putting his foot in the ground and trying to autocorrect internal Salary Cap course comes at a cost to Nylander because he is the only one not with a full NMC today and tradable if he will not agree to Leafs terms going forward.

 

[Nineteen67]

Question coming from a non leafs fan(bolts fan) what are the odds Nylander is traded before the season? can you fit him on the cap the way it is?

I really like the current roster tbh

IMO, 75% he’s traded.

The current roster is a mess. Slowest D in the east.

 

[koyvoo]

I don't disagree with the whole psyche aspect of this place, that's always cracked me up.
Why are you here though if you find it 'boring, mundane conversation'?

I didn’t say that’s it’s boring and mundane in the sense that I don’t want to read the thread. I meant that even the most seemingly unrelated, unsubstantial topics reveal the subconscious.

 

[PromisedLand]

Question coming from a non leafs fan(bolts fan) what are the odds Nylander is traded before the season? can you fit him on the cap the way it is?

I really like the current roster tbh

Depends. Technically Leaf’s can fit him but will have to sacrifice quality depth.

If the 4 guys make more than 50% of the cap but don’t show up in the post season is that the kind of cap allocation a team wants to have any success?

Should the bolts have overpaid Palat, Killorn etc. to sacrifice other team requirements? Would they still have any team success if that were the case?

 

[Menzinger]

Question coming from a non leafs fan(bolts fan) what are the odds Nylander is traded before the season? can you fit him on the cap the way it is?

I really like the current roster tbh

You'll likely get a diverse range of answers. Personally I'd say about 60-70% there's an extension. The teams preference is to extend and the player (seemingly) wants to stay. I think that's likely enough to eventually get something wrapped up

At the same time I think the agent is currently posturing a bit too much and by result overestimating/over-promising what Nylander will be offered in free agency by other teams.

 

[Mess]

Team is first Mess.
You have to have a salary structure in place.
You can’t just pay everyone what they want.
You should know what Matthews wants.
You know what players like Rielly will be making.
You need to afford depth.
You make a decent, fair offer to Nylander based on all of the above and if he doesn’t like it, you trade him. Dubas should have let him sit the last time. Now, is history repeating? Or do you have the chance to correct it?

Always what is best for the Crest on the front is my position in all matters Leaf related. That should be standard operating practices for all organizations that want to be successful and believe in asset management and proper Cap management to achieve success.

There is no value in changing GM's, if the new guy is just going to double down on past mistakes and over-payments. That only amplifies the mistakes further and doesn't address the too few players for too much Cap (all forwards) Cup competitiveness problem.

Hold the line in contract negotiations and try and correct those past mistakes.. Offer Willy a fair and honest contract like the rumoured 8 x $8.8 mil (Timo Meier deal) take it or leave it, but a leave it comes with the acceptance your Leaf days are over because Leafs have to do what is in the best interest of the TEAM first and foremost. That is the current market value for a potential 40 goal scorer or 10.6 C.H.%

 

[Menzinger]

It really has sounded like Lindholm wants to move on.

They could sign Nylander to a double digit, and they'd only have 2 double digits, and both making less than marner. Long term Kadri's deal is an issue, but for now he's just Flames Tavares, at 4mm less.

Would Nylander want to sign in Calgary though? Seems as if the popular choice among players is to get as far away as possible from that team lol

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Would Nylander want to sign in Calgary though? Seems as if the popular choice among players is to get as far away as possible from that team lol

I’m curious as well. Because man apparently their board of governors meddle a lot.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Complete radio silence on both the AM/WN fronts. This is getting boring.

 

[New User Name]

Nylander isn't signing until after Matthews. Can't say I blame him either.
As for trading him, who the hell would take him and give back quality players?

I don't think there's a team in the league that would give Nylander 10m.

As for Matthews, he isn't in any hurry. I can see him dig in his heals and very likely leave after this season.

 

[leafan11]

I don’t get how any of this makes sense , if Nylander goes to UFA the max any team will offer him ( I don’t think any team will ) is 10x7 = 70 million. If Leafs offer 8.75x8= 70 million How is this a hard deal to get done ? Offer him 9x8= 72 million , 2 million more than he can get as a UFA. Almost every insider including Mirtle says he doesn’t think any team would offer him 10 as a UFA.

 

[13pacheco31]

I don’t get how any of this makes sense , if Nylander goes to UFA the max any team will offer him ( I don’t think any team will ) is 10x7 = 70 million. If Leafs offer 8.75x8= 70 million How is this a hard deal to get done ? Offer him 9x8= 72 million , 2 million more than he can get as a UFA. Almost every insider including Mirtle says he doesn’t think any team would offer him 10 as a UFA.

Probably more of an ego thing. "I want a number similar to the other 3"

 

[Trapper]

Would Nylander want to sign in Calgary though? Seems as if the popular choice among players is to get as far away as possible from that team lol

If the money is right I don’t see why not.
Nylander doesn’t seem like he dislikes a certain market in particular.
Lindholm makes 4.8 this year, if we can get him locked up as our 2C for around 7, if gives us more flexibility with Matthews/Marner and the team.

 

[notbias]

Well all that aside something has to be done different because it’s just not working with this core group. With this amount of talent there is no way that the height point in the last 5-7 years has been 1 single round win.

Either 1 of 3 things has to be true.

1- the cap structure with the core 4 has killed the ability to spend on good support players. If this is not the case then

2 -Dubas had no idea how to find value added support players with the remains cap. If this is not the case then

3 - Individually they are a good talented core but as a group they are a poor mix and cannot translate individually into a cohesive successful team

One final question is how long are you prepared to support this core and this cap allocation without succes

4 - it is really hard to win a cup and our fanbase is by far the least patient and most irrational.

 

[Mess]

Would Nylander want to sign in Calgary though? Seems as if the popular choice among players is to get as far away as possible from that team lol

Willy was actually born in Calgary when his farther played for the Flames. Its his home town.

Want to see what a Nylander looks like in a Calgary Jersey?