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Speculation: Nylander Discussion - Part IV

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hyduK said:
Why is the fact that McDavid got 12.5 as an RFA and Eichel 10.5 hard to understand?
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You realize they would have gotten more as a UFA right? RFA's make less than UFA's because they have almost no leverage and teams can play hardball.

Trying to compare a UFA salary to an RFA salary doesn't make sense.
 
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FishManSam said:
Can we just do 6.75x7 and call it a day? That’s where all his comparables are considering inflation, he’s gotten himself a good opportunity, with a good team, in a great city. I know and he knows he’s better than a 6.75 player, but you don’t pay on potential.
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.750k too high to his comparable

ehlers deal starts this year at 6m per x 7 ,,,ehlers holds more value imo, since he is the better goal scorer.

pastrnak 34g=70p season before he signed 6.66m per and willi is not a player comparable to DP , different class of player hands down.

july 22 2017 viktor arvidsson after a 31g 30a season inked for 4.25m per x 7 , that kicked in last season. heck since arvid is the better sniper, hard for me to say that he is even at his level.
 
I don't believe this has been said recently...

According to many sources (HF Leaf fans), Nylander will NOT be traded.
 
KlefDown said:
man that makes no sense.
McDavid was given a blank cheque. McDavid said a number and Oilers said DONE. their was no negotiation. We signed him mid-summer of his second year ELC.

and you and I both know Leafs aren't asking Nylander for a 500k discount, it's substantially more than that
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But thats not what hes worth, he took a discount, then asked for even less. Its well documented.

You also dont know what Nylander is asking for. 8 mill is unreasonable. 7 less so. But without know exact numbers itd be foolish to judge either side.
 
Nizdizzle said:
You are the 2nd person to say that, please explain because most would disagree.
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They don't have one apart from it's how they feel. How people can argue that leverage doesn't impact a negotiation is beyond me. This isn't even a hockey thing it's a universal truth.
 
Nizdizzle said:
Oooh, pulling out the 50 years card. Can always tell when someone is being backed into a corner.

Eichel signed for the exact contract that you objected to (9.5 to 10.5). That is the bar for Matthews' contract. McDavid is the best player in the world, that is not a comparable for him.
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Explain to me how Eichel is the bar for Matthews?

Matthews has a 40g/69p Rookie season. Eichel was 24g/56p.
Matthews had 34g/63p in 62g in his sophomore. Eichel had 24/57 in 61gp.
Eichel had 25g/65p in 64gp in his third season. Matthews will likely be above that unless he regresses significantly.

How is Eichel the ceiling for Matthews when he has outproduced him at every step?
 
hyduK said:
How do you know that? Do you know what he's been offered?
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since i am a leafs fan that covers them like a religion, ya i have a damn good idea.

6m per x 7 , thats a fair deal, a market deal to his comparible

and since shanny took over the reigns here, i have seen nothing unfair come from our top brass.
 
leaffaninvancouver said:
You realize they would have gotten more as a UFA right? RFA's make less than UFA's because they have almost no leverage and teams can play hardball.

Trying to compare a UFA salary to an RFA salary doesn't make sense.
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what does that have to do with this conversation?

The conversation is that Matthews won't get more than 9.5-10.5 becasue he's an RFA.

Eichel and McDavid are proof that that's not the case.
 
Does anyone know, if Willy signs for 1 year, is the contact negotiation for next year have Arbitration?
 
hyduK said:
The cap was much lower then.

He never scored 40g by that point (Matthews will have at least once, probably twice, and another at pace for it). Goals are worth more than assists.

Matthews outproduced him in his first two seasons already (probably will this season too).

RFA rules have changed (see Eichel, McDavid).

He's an 11.5-12m player in today's world. Assuming he keeps his production.
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5 mill in 2012-2013 was 7% of the cap. That would be equivalent to a 5.565 million dollar contract today. It was a significant discount, known at the time and known now.

I agree that Matthews is probably worth somewhere between 10-11mill, but Tavares isnt his comparable. Eichel and McDavid are.
 
Saidin said:
Does anyone know, if Willy signs for 1 year, is the contact negotiation for next year have Arbitration?
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I believe it is which is why the Leafs will refuse to sign a 1 yr contract.
 
hyduK said:
Explain to me how Eichel is the bar for Matthews?

Matthews has a 40g/69p Rookie season. Eichel was 24g/56p.
Matthews had 34g/63p in 62g in his sophomore. Eichel had 24/57 in 61gp.
Eichel had 25g/65p in 64gp in his third season. Matthews will likely be above that unless he regresses significantly.

How is Eichel the ceiling for Matthews when he has outproduced him at every step?
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We appreciate you saying this. In any Matthews vs Eichel thread, you will find a ton of "liked" comments saying how Eichel is the better player of the 2.
 
$8.5M LMAO if true.

Based on all the speculation around numbers, Leafs are in the right here as Nylander is badly overvaluing himself.

$6.25M x 8 seems reasonable to me.
 
Sami Salo said:
DO THE RIGHT THING WILLIE
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He should follow Shannahan's example and sign an offer-sheet....
I do find it funny that Shanahan preaches that the Wing players all took discounts to keep the team together but he jumped for the money when he came off his 1st contract....
 
Critical91 said:
We appreciate you saying this. In any Matthews vs Eichel thread, you will find a ton of "liked" comments saying how Eichel is the better player of the 2.
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Hopefully Dubas uses those threads as his negotiations then.

Otherwise Matthews deserves at least 1m more than Eichel. Probably more with cap increase in consideration.

And that depends on this season. If Matthews is healthy all year and puts up another 40g, maybe even 50? Yikes.
 
hyduK said:
Explain to me how Eichel is the bar for Matthews?

Matthews has a 40g/69p Rookie season. Eichel was 24g/56p.
Matthews had 34g/63p in 62g in his sophomore. Eichel had 24/57 in 61gp.
Eichel had 25g/65p in 64gp in his third season. Matthews will likely be above that unless he regresses significantly.

How is Eichel the ceiling for Matthews when he has outproduced him at every step?
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I dont think he means bar = ceiling. Bar to me sounds like the floor. he's def worth more than Eichel, but shouldnt be near McDavid until he wins an Art Ross & Hart.
 
Critical91 said:
We appreciate you saying this. In any Matthews vs Eichel thread, you will find a ton of "liked" comments saying how Eichel is the better player of the 2.
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Look when it comes to contracts Matthews in the best player in the league, when it comes to play it's a stretch to call him a top 20 player. How is that not hard to understand?
 
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Realistically, how much should Nylander, Marner and Matthews sign for if they take discounts?

After that...ask yourself if they will sign for that much.
 
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