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Which if you think about it and how I wrote it, I was very clear I thought by writing "state tax."
Most people don't even get something like the carbon tax and how minor a tax it actually is.
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Most people don't even get something like the carbon tax and how minor a tax it actually is.
notDatsyuk
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Criticizing the person who provides the information really isn't a logical argument.
Neither is disproving a fact by saying you don't care about it.
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I agree with you on Willy to a point but Huberdeau was well over ppg the 4 seasons before he went to Calgary
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How often do you see a player that good who's been that badly mishandled?
The fact that it's Toronto just makes it more fun.
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I don't think you'd get Kadri and Lindholm unless they think Will can play C
Calgary though may be on Willie's 10 team list
notDatsyuk
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Last three seasons he's gone from 0.82 to 0.99 to 1.06.
Last four+ seasons he's 0.99 in the regular season and 0.97 in the playoffs.
Same time frame - Matty was 1.25 regular, 1.03 playoffs, Mitch was 1.24 and 1.00, and JT 0.97 and 0.71.
The streak is different, but his shooting % isn't off the charts, and if you've watched him over the years, you can see that the change is just consistency.
If say an aging RW is currently on the Leafs team making 7mil and will retire at the end of the season while Willie is playing on another team heading into UFA.
Leafs got the cap space to go big fish hunting in Willie, would you be mad at the Leafs if they sign him for 11mil this offseason as a UFA like they did with JT?
Leafs got the cap space to go big fish hunting in Willie, would you be mad at the Leafs if they sign him for 11mil this offseason as a UFA like they did with JT?
Okay, but as to the absolute number of goals, the difference is 189 for Willy and 173 for Mitch. A difference of 16 over 8 years, or 2/year averaged. As to the percentage of their points, Mitch has AM, I certainly hope his assist totals are higher than Willy's as Matthews is the best scorer in the league during the last 7 years. Regardless, my point was not to compare Willy to Mitch, but to suggest that Huberdeau had one electric season (115 points) at the age of 28 - how old is Willy...28 - and turned it into a 10.5 million dollar payday. That signing by Brad Treliving doesn't look so good now (and yes, for a variety of reasons). People getting wound up as to a dollar value after 17 games, I don't get it. It's a long season: injuries, slumps, a decline in JT's game or Bert's, goaltending that collapses, might affect his play and thus the final numbers of his next contract. I'm loving the way the kid is playing right now! I'm just not sure I'll be seeing it the rest of the season, let alone for the length of term of a contract. Cheers.
Yes, which leads me to believing his signing that contract was more 'understandable' than signing Willy to a huge contract based on the best 17 games of his career. Right now he's on fire and I'm loving it. I just don't see how you sign the kid to - insert high number here - when the sample set of this kind of play is so small. Cheers.
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Okay, so over the last three years can we agree that Willy has put up around a point/game, regular season and playoffs? This year he's exploded to 1.588/game, after 17 games. Fabulous work by Willy, full stop. I've said during his time here that he may be the most talented player on the roster. We're seeing it now. For 17 games. The one constant I've read here about Willy is that he 'could' be one of the best players in the game, but he's not consistent enough. Now we're supposed to believe that consistency is his strength? I'm not buying it. If he puts up a 120 point season and leads us to a Cup, give him the moon and say goodbye Mitch. But I'm not signing him today at north of 11 because of a 17 game hot streak. Cheers.
Wouldn't percentage of cap be far more reasonable to evaluate instead of dollar amount.
Mitch signs for 11 million when the cap is 81 million. His cap percentage is 13.6.
If Nylander signs for 11 million this year his caphit would be 12.5%.
In a non Covid situation, the cap should rise every year and new bars should be set every year when players become free agents. The dollar amount while not useless, doesn't really matter.
I would view it as Marner has been the better player over the course of their careers and the percentage of the cap he would get should be higher. But contracts signed 6 years apart are hard to compare because the system is built for salaries to increase every year.
If Nylander did sign 8 years at 11 million, by the time that contract is over, there will be a tonne of players who leapfrog him. Some being better, some simular, and some not as good because the market will have changed
Mitch signs for 11 million when the cap is 81 million. His cap percentage is 13.6.
If Nylander signs for 11 million this year his caphit would be 12.5%.
In a non Covid situation, the cap should rise every year and new bars should be set every year when players become free agents. The dollar amount while not useless, doesn't really matter.
I would view it as Marner has been the better player over the course of their careers and the percentage of the cap he would get should be higher. But contracts signed 6 years apart are hard to compare because the system is built for salaries to increase every year.
If Nylander did sign 8 years at 11 million, by the time that contract is over, there will be a tonne of players who leapfrog him. Some being better, some simular, and some not as good because the market will have changed
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Cap% at the time of signing is useful side info, but unless everyone in the league always signs max contract, you can't use it to directly compare contracts.
We'll see if Nylander is so keen on signing 8 years, Matthews didn't .
Yeah, Marner will leapfrog him next year no matter what he gets now, not sure how that helps us.
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If you ever want to know what God thinks of money just look at the people he gave it to.
There's nothing more dehumanitizing than money. God knows the players on this team can't ever seem to get enough. Unfortunately for Nylander it doesn't matter how well the ugly step child performs.
He's never gonna earn as much as Matthews and Marner in his career.
Those with selective memory can only recall the last couple years. Whereas those predisposed to hold a grudge are more likely to remember Nylander holding out against a rookie GM fresh on the job. Only to come back fat and out of shape with a pathetic seven goals to show for his efforts.
Along with a whopping $12M for 54 games played.
Anybody who thinks this guy isn't gonna demand the moon and the stars and the sun itself is sorely mistaken. After watching Matthews cash in you can be sure Nylander is licking his chops. When a pig prays it's for more slop.
When Nylander prays it's for more money.
There's nothing more dehumanitizing than money. God knows the players on this team can't ever seem to get enough. Unfortunately for Nylander it doesn't matter how well the ugly step child performs.
He's never gonna earn as much as Matthews and Marner in his career.
Those with selective memory can only recall the last couple years. Whereas those predisposed to hold a grudge are more likely to remember Nylander holding out against a rookie GM fresh on the job. Only to come back fat and out of shape with a pathetic seven goals to show for his efforts.
Along with a whopping $12M for 54 games played.
Anybody who thinks this guy isn't gonna demand the moon and the stars and the sun itself is sorely mistaken. After watching Matthews cash in you can be sure Nylander is licking his chops. When a pig prays it's for more slop.
When Nylander prays it's for more money.
The stats don't show that, so you're either looking at the wrong stats, or misunderstanding them.
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For someone pushing for "5v5 per 60 on Tuesdays above average replacement pacing" stats, you have a hard time understanding goals allowed per minute on PK.
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The issue is the overpay on marner.
I think the correct number is $10mm, probably for both.
Huberdeau feasted on assists, same as marner. Playing with the best goal scorer in the game over the past 5 years is going to do that.
I like the Matthews term, and think less term, higher Cap is better for the team.
The amounts like 11.5-12.5 are just as bad as the $10.9mm marner got.
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Can we agree that he has been improving over the last few years?
That's what your previous post seemed to completely miss, and all I was trying to point out.
We've been seeing regular improvement over several years, so the current point streak isn't completely out of the blue.
I'm not one of the people who thinks his value has gone from $9M to $13M just because of 17 games.
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As good as Willie has been, Pasta still putting up better numbers and with lesser linemates.
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Nylander is no Pastrnak. They are not the same player and bring the same value.
"5v5 per 60 on Tuesdays above average replacement pacing" isn't a stat, or even really a legible combination of words.
Goals allowed per minute is a modification of a stat (GA/60), but not a stat that shows the defensive play of skaters (not that it suggests Marner to be bad at PKing anyway).
When you actually look at skater defensive metrics on the PK, and add in the context of Marner facing top units and the toughest situations, it's very clear that Marner is a top tier PKer, both offensively and defensively. You've been shown this plenty of times.
Leafs are going to pay full market rate +10%. Then everyone will wonder why they can't improve the team. The players are using this situation to their advantage and the overall product suffers for it.
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with all due respect. You are wrong. JT is a great hockey player and an amazing human being.
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That's why you should be done with the core. They don't produce. Regular season success is fun. Post season failure is getting boring.
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