Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[A1LeafNation]

Knies Matthews Cowan
Bertuzzi Minten ________
Robertson Domi Jarnkrok

Over the next 2 years if JT Nylander Marner don't want to take heavy discounts, we will be fine.

 

[Pengu]

Somehow it always ends with Nylander having to be the sucker who takes the team friendly deal while the other 3 gets maximum...
Right now Nylander is at 11.5 if you go by what the other 3 have been paid.
Comparing to Boston is just pure stupidity as they have ALWAYS got everyone on value deals. For YEARS Pasta, Bergeron, Marchand got WAY LESS than Matthews and Marner. There is no way Nylander is worth less than JT and Marner and it's UTTER bullcrap to say: "Well, those deals were bad but what's done is done. Nylander will have to be the one to make the sacrifices"

 

[djdev]

this is not that complicated. JT has one year left. Nylander will sing and JT will extend and they are pretty much going to take each others cap hit. Nylander just under 11M and JT will resign at 34 for $7M for 3-4 years. Cap situation stays the same.

extending JT isnt the right move at all imo, i like him as a player but hes not a great 5v5 and hes not going to get faster or stronger going forward. the league is going younger and is faster than ever so JT just doesnt make sense to me. just my opinion though.

 

[BallardEra]

After 17 games last year:

7 goals, 10 assists for 17 points and -1


After 17 games this season:

12 goals, 15 assists for 27 points and +2

 

[djdev]

Somehow it always ends with Nylander having to be the sucker who takes the team friendly deal while the other 3 gets maximum...
Right now Nylander is at 11.5 if you go by what the other 3 have been paid.
Comparing to Boston is just pure stupidity as they have ALWAYS got everyone on value deals. For YEARS Pasta, Bergeron, Marchand got WAY LESS than Matthews and Marner. There is no way Nylander is worth less than JT and Marner and it's UTTER bullcrap to say: "Well, those deals were bad but what's done is done. Nylander will have to be the one to make the sacrifices"

i mean willy DOES deserve less than marner though, how much is open for debate, but saying he doesnt just isnt true, marner has outproduced him at every stage and he might be the best PKer in the league.

 

[Seras]

So 46+m/88m next year and 42+m/90+m the subsequent years for 4 guys who have won nothing as a core.

Yes, even if you are on 1 of the 31 teams that fail to win the cup you still get paid based on various factors.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Nylander has shown to be worth $11 to $12 ,
I would suggest signing him for 5yrs,
Or
Trade for a great dman, $8 to $9 plus 1st round choice or highly regarded young forward to join with Minton and Cowan.

 

[Jozay]

Ths sweet spot is probably around 10. Leafs can feel good if they keep it under 10, Nylander can feel happy because he'd get roughly the same amount of $ he'd get on the open market.

Somewhere between 77-80 million over 8 years is probably the sweet spot.

Really cant see Nylander getting significantly more than 80 mill on the open market (11.4 million AAV).

 

[Gary Nylund]

i mean willy DOES deserve less than marner though, how much is open for debate, but saying he doesnt just isnt true, marner has outproduced him at every stage and he might be the best PKer in the league.

You're making it sound like the fact that Nylander is blowing Marner away so far this season is irrelevant. It's not.

 

[ULF_55]

i mean willy DOES deserve less than marner though, how much is open for debate, but saying he doesnt just isnt true, marner has outproduced him at every stage and he might be the best PKer in the league.

Kind of irrelevant though. Certainly, marner's recent run with Matthews has outproduced Nylander, that isn't up for debate.

The contract going forward won't be for the past, it will be for the future, and based on most recent past.

Based on this year and previous 2 years ...

I really don't see a 55% difference between them in the most recent seasons.

$80mm over 8.
$44mm over 4.

 

[ULF_55]

I thought it was January the next year as well but not 100% sure on the date. And not 100% sure I would have Bert back at all.

Only if Bertuzzi ends the year in the top 6 by performance/results.

If he's supplanted by a youngster no need to bring him back.

 

[djdev]

Kind of irrelevant though. Certainly, marner's recent run with Matthews has outproduced Nylander, that isn't up for debate.

The contract going forward won't be for the past, it will be for the future, and based on most recent past.

Based on this year and previous 2 years ...

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I really don't see a 55% difference between them in the most recent seasons.

no obviously not a 55% difference, but those were past contracts so not much can be done about that. alot of this hinges on marner, and as a personal aside, im not a big fan of his game under pressure. i prefer playoff willy to playoff marner even though technically marner has outproduced willy there too. if i had to put a number on both i would still give marner more but i wouldnt go very much over the contract pasta just signed for him. like marner 11.3 and willy 10. but thats just me lol.

edit: just saw your edit. i can live with either of those contracts for willy.

 

[ToneDog]

Yes, even if you are on 1 of the 31 teams that fail to win the cup you still get paid based on various factors.

How many more kicks at the can do you pay these guys to see if they can get to done in the playoffs?

 

[TakeTheBody]

There should be a poll of the Core Four who we feel plays best in the playoffs. I think Styles would win the poll going away.

 

[djdev]

There should be a poll of the Core Four who we feel plays best in the playoffs. I think Styles would win the poll going away.

i think matty has played well too, but in reality if you count rielly as part of the core i might vote for him over all our forwards.

 

[arso40]

Knies Matthews Cowan
Bertuzzi Minten ________
Robertson Domi Jarnkrok

Over the next 2 years if JT Nylander Marner don't want to take heavy discounts, we will be fine.

You see that roster and think we’re fine? We’re missing a marner and a nylander

i mean willy DOES deserve less than marner though, how much is open for debate, but saying he doesnt just isnt true, marner has outproduced him at every stage and he might be the best PKer in the league.

I disagree you pay for what you pay for why should marner get paid more? He’s been for the last 5 years , nylanders game breaking skill is worth the money I’m not even gonna tear down marner.

 

[ACC1224]

How many more kicks at the can do you pay these guys to see if they can get to done in the playoffs?

Looks like as many as it takes.

 

[arso40]

no obviously not a 55% difference, but those were past contracts so not much can be done about that. alot of this hinges on marner, and as a personal aside, im not a big fan of his game under pressure. i prefer playoff willy to playoff marner even though technically marner has outproduced willy there too. if i had to put a number on both i would still give marner more but i wouldnt go very much over the contract pasta just signed for him. like marner 11.3 and willy 10. but thats just me lol.

edit: just saw your edit. i can live with either of those contracts for willy.

Am I blind or something?

 

[A1LeafNation]

You see that roster and think we’re fine? We’re missing a marner and a nylander


I disagree you pay for what you pay for why should marner get paid more? He’s been for the last 5 years , nylanders game breaking skill is worth the money I’m not even gonna tear down marner but fuccin grow up

What are you saying we can't barely win a round in the playoffs with those guys...we're cant do it anyways. Atleast try something else. Pick one and move on from the rest and use your cap space better like on defence.

 

[arso40]

What are you saying we can't barely win a round in the playoffs with those guys...we're cant do it anyways. Atleast try something else. Pick one and move on from the rest and use you cap space better like on defence.

The person we should be trading has a no move the other one same thing so cause we can’t do that we should trade nylander and leave the rotten core the exact same just without your best weapon

 

[Arzak]

i mean willy DOES deserve less than marner though, how much is open for debate, but saying he doesnt just isnt true, marner has outproduced him at every stage and he might be the best PKer in the league.

We should pay 0 additional $ for PK. What a moronic PR narrative. Marner is last on PK at preventing goals, he cheats for an offence on PK because he can't stop stat padding for 2 min. And once again we don't have the best PK.


Boston got the best PK, using rookies and zero $11M players. Marner is overrated on PK. Not worth the money.

 

[ToneDog]

Looks like as many as it takes.

Sadly, you might be right.

 

[djdev]

We should pay 0 additional $ for PK. What a moronic PR narrative. Marner is last on PK at preventing goals, he cheats for an offence on PK because he can't stop stat padding for 2 min. And once again we don't have the best PK.


Boston got the best PK, using rookies and zero $11M players. Marner is overrated on PK. Not worth the money.

whatever u say whoever you are, alot of childish name callers in this thread lol.

 

[GoonieFace]

How many more kicks at the can do you pay these guys to see if they can get to done in the playoffs?

Insert infinity symbol

 

[Gary Nylund]

no obviously not a 55% difference, but those were past contracts so not much can be done about that. alot of this hinges on marner, and as a personal aside, im not a big fan of his game under pressure. i prefer playoff willy to playoff marner even though technically marner has outproduced willy there too. if i had to put a number on both i would still give marner more but i wouldnt go very much over the contract pasta just signed for him. like marner 11.3 and willy 10. but thats just me lol.

edit: just saw your edit. i can live with either of those contracts for willy.

I prefer playoff Nylander to playoff Marner too and if you agree, I can't understand your willingness to pay Marner substantially more money.

Some people have said that contract are based on regular season performance, not playoffs. Maybe that's true but it's not the way I'd build a team. Call me old fashioned but I think playoff success>>>>>>>>>regular season success so I'll take the guys who don't wither away when the stakes are raised.

We should pay 0 additional $ for PK. What a moronic PR narrative. Marner is last on PK at preventing goals, he cheats for an offence on PK because he can't stop stat padding for 2 min. And once again we don't have the best PK.

Boston got the best PK, using rookies and zero $11M players. Marner is overrated on PK. Not worth the money.

Yeah I love watching Marner kill penalties, but overall our PK is still mediocre, and I believe that somehow we could cobble together a mediocre PK unit even without Marner.

How many more kicks at the can do you pay these guys to see if they can get to done in the playoffs?

As long as they can kick, they'll keep going to the same well. That's what it looks like anyway.