Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ULF_55]

That's true and I wouldn't be surprised if Nylander decide he'd rather play on a team that's up and coming, instead of continuing on here with a team that's setting records for underachieving.

Whether or not he's unsigned by July 1 is an interesting question. So many people seem to be convinced he'll be signed by then but I guess I'm in the minority that thinks there's a pretty good chance he isn't. Very hard to predict because it's very hard to know what Nylander is thinking.


Yeah for sure, the only question is how productive? Will he keep being super crazy elite, or settle in at a tier below that? Hard to bet against him the way he's playing, that's for sure. It's not like he's compiling cheap secondary assists, he's just beasting out there and also rising to the occasion at the biggest moments. That's a valuable commodity in the playoffs, I sure hope he's still a Maple Leaf next season.

I think I know where Nylander found this extra gear:

Witchcraft

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[Arzak]

You see, I don’t agree with paying him like he is a 100 point scorer (let’s say he surpasses 100 points this season) going forward. If you give him Pasta money but he reverts back to 80 points or whatever, is that worth it? But Willy will never accept less than Marner’s money. So we’re pretty much screwed.

Can you blame him? If you were in his position, being Core 4 making ~50%$ of Core 3 for years now.

How can you ask for anything but the going rate in Toronto? $11M +- inflation

 

[ACC1224]

I think people are going to be disappointed if their hope is one of the 4 is going.
IMO, Tavares will be re-signed and the other 3 will be here for most if not all of their careers.

 

[djdev]

I’m going to lock in the homegrown rockstar forward work around the depth in a new cap environment, especially with Tavares getting so close to the end of his contract and cap freedom to come. I’m not losing Nylander so I can roll the dice on another round of Domi, Klingberg and Bertuzzi next summer.

i respect that, although there are other options other than pay him whatever he wants or lose him. in a cap environment we have to really take a look at whats best for the team. having so much committed to 4-5 players has its benefits and drawbacks, everyone has their opinion on what to do next. im just glad JT will be off that deal soon, since that contract seemed to be ground zero for alot of the contract issues of the other star guys on this team lol.

 

[Evilhomer]

I think people are going to be disappointed if their hope is one of the 4 is going.
IMO, Tavares will be re-signed and the other 3 will be here for most if not all of their careers.

I think there is a 99.99% chance that this is the exact outcome. Nothing the team has done in its decision-making to this point implies a different outcome. They very clearly want to keep all of these guys and find depth pieces to fit around them.

 

[Stephen]

i respect that, although there are other options other than pay him whatever he wants or lose him. in a cap environment we have to really take a look at whats best for the team. having so much committed to 4-5 players has its benefits and drawbacks, everyone has their opinion on what to do next. im just glad JT will be off that deal soon, since that contract seemed to be ground zero for alot of the contract issues of the other star guys on this team lol.

If Boston, Buffalo and Colorado came knocking on Toronto’s door with offers of McAvoy, Dahlin or Makar and the opportunity to rebalance the roster with an elite, young, big ticket stud defenseman, I could see the dilemma in keeping Nylander or not.

But in the real situation we have I think keeping Nylander at a high number is preferable to some sense of fiscal restraint because when you spread that cap around there’s no guarantee of success and improvement. Like if we had the chance to trade Bertuzzi, Klingberg and Reaves today for an elite $10 million player and fill the roster with a couple of league min guys would we be better off or worse off?

But really it’s just a one year 2024-25 overlap problem.

 

[djdev]

If Boston, Buffalo and Colorado came knocking on Toronto’s door with offers of McAvoy, Dahlin or Makar and the opportunity to rebalance the roster with an elite, young, big ticket stud defenseman, I could see the dilemma in keeping Nylander or not.

But in the real situation we have I think keeping Nylander at a high number is preferable to some sense of fiscal restraint because when you spread that cap around there’s no guarantee of success and improvement. Like if we had the chance to trade Bertuzzi, Klingberg and Reaves today for an elite $10 million player and fill the roster with a couple of league min guys would we be better off or worse off?

But really it’s just a one year 2024-25 overlap problem.

lets be honest, theres no guarantees ever, we could sign willy to a higher number and he outplays it, or he can regress, we can trade him for a young player with alot of upside and fill out the depth on the team it could push us to a cup, or it could backfire badly. all they can control is the decisions they make based off the current roster. and all im saying is that this team needs to start paying players what they are actually worth based of the production relative to their peers over their careers/past contracts etc.

 

[therealkoho]

Just a reminder

Matthew Tkachuk has back to back 100+ point seasons to go along with 2 40 goal seasons

His AAV is 9.5m

Given all the factors, such as he plays in Fla which has no state tax and that he signed 2 years ago.

Since Will has had 1 40 goal season and looking like he's headed for another. I'm thinking Will should land around 10.88 x 4+ years

 

[ULF_55]

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My concern is term more than Cap.

Would he be worth $11m at age 35?

Or would part of Nylander's camp thought process be getting some backpay for the previous 3 or 4 years?

I'd still try and get a Cap of around $10mm, but have it front loaded as much as legally (CBA) possible, or do a term like Matthews.

 

[Stephen]

Sorry about my ignorance in regards to contract extensions but at what point can you extend a player on a 1 year deal?

For an example, let's say Bertuzzi, Tavares and 88 continue to play very well together.

Extend 88
Give another 1 year to Bertuzzi.
Tavares rides his 1 year out.

Can Bertuzzi be extended in January 2025?
If yes, give him the 1 year deal at a discounted rate, with an unsigned agreement to extended him for the 2025 - 2028/20229 season at a reasonable amount. He has never been a star, he's a career 54 point player. Perhaps he's taking all the risk, but he's being overpaid this year at 5.5 and they gave him most of that money as a signing bonus.

I thought it was January the next year as well but not 100% sure on the date. And not 100% sure I would have Bert back at all.

 

[horner]

If Boston, Buffalo and Colorado came knocking on Toronto’s door with offers of McAvoy, Dahlin or Makar and the opportunity to rebalance the roster with an elite, young, big ticket stud defenseman, I could see the dilemma in keeping Nylander or not.

But in the real situation we have I think keeping Nylander at a high number is preferable to some sense of fiscal restraint because when you spread that cap around there’s no guarantee of success and improvement. Like if we had the chance to trade Bertuzzi, Klingberg and Reaves today for an elite $10 million player and fill the roster with a couple of league min guys would we be better off or worse off?

But really it’s just a one year 2024-25 overlap problem.

At this point I would keep Willy.
I wouldn't have said that 2 yrs ago.
I don't think this is a flash for Nylander I think he has become a man and desperately wants to win.
In the biggest game and the most pressure on him in Sweden he want to another level . He embraced the moment , you could see it in OT you just new he would score , I can't say that about Mathew's or Marner
Willy has been good in the playoffs but I think we are about to see something special from Nylander this playoffs. I hope Matthews and marner can embrace the moment to

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My concern is term more than Cap.

Would he be worth $11m at age 35?

Or would part of Nylander's camp thought process be getting some backpay for the previous 3 or 4 years?

I'd still try and get a Cap of around $10mm, but have it front loaded as much as legally (CBA) possible, or do a term like Matthews.

10.5 mil

 

[Stephen]

At this point I would keep Willy.
I wouldn't have said that 2 yrs ago.
I don't think this is a flash for Nylander I think he has become a man and desperately wants to win.
In the biggest game and the most pressure on him in Sweden he want to another level . He embraced the moment , you could see it in OT you just new he would score , I can't say that about Mathew's or Marner
Willy has been good in the playoffs but I think we are about to see something special from Nylander this playoffs. I hope Matthews and marner can embrace the moment to

I agree. He seems to be taking on a “put the team on his shoulders” personality which is great to see. And this wasn’t Willy in 2019, 2020, 2021 either. So to have this evolution at this time is something the Leafs need to keep getting better.

 

[djdev]

Just a reminder

Matthew Tkachuk has back to back 100+ point seasons to go along with 2 40 goal seasons

His AAV is 9.5m

Given all the factors, such as he plays in Fla which has no state tax and that he signed 2 years ago.

Since Will has had 1 40 goal season and looking like he's headed for another. I'm thinking Will should land around 10.88 x 4+ years

im pretty sure there a bunch of nuances and things like they only dont pay the taxes for home games and still pay taxes in applicable states/provinces while on the road, im not an accountant but im fairly certain ive read multiple experts explaining how this type of thing gets overblown.

 

[Clark4Ever]

If Nylander ends up top 10 in scoring in the league, we're going to have a hard time signing him to an AAV in the 10 million dollar range.

If I was Treliving, I would reach out to Nylander's camp to see if they're willing to continue negotiations during the season and get this done ASAP.

 

[ACC1224]

If Nylander ends up top 10 in scoring in the league, we're going to have a hard time signing him to an AAV in the 10 million dollar range.

If I was Treliving, I would reach out to Nylander's camp to see if they're willing to continue negotiations during the season and get this done ASAP.

I'm pretty sure negotiations have always been ongoing.

 

[TMLAM34]

Give him his 8 years, 10 million dollar per with a NMC deal and get it over with. Worry about the cap in the summer

 

[ToneDog]

No idea how close both sides are but if they are not., sell high, buy low.

Nylander to Calgary for Lindholm, Kadri (50%) and Tanev (50%).

Is that enough for Leafs fans who would never trade 88?

 

[ULF_55]

No idea how close both sides are but if they are not., sell high, buy low.

Nylander to Calgary for Lindholm, Kadri (50%) and Tanev (50%).

Is that enough for Leafs fans who would never trade 88?

Lindholm yes, but no to old players. Not sure Flames would eat 6 years of the Kadri mistake.

Really depends on Lindholm's ask.

Now if they want to make it bigger, try someway to get Hanifin in the deal, and don't move Cowan.

Have to make Cap work so Leafs need to move more than Nylander out.

 

[Gary Nylund]

You see, I don’t agree with paying him like he is a 100 point scorer (let’s say he surpasses 100 points this season) going forward. If you give him Pasta money but he reverts back to 80 points or whatever, is that worth it? But Willy will never accept less than Marner’s money. So we’re pretty much screwed.

Matthews has hit 100 point once in his career, for that matter he's only hit 90 point once in his career and his cap hit is over 13.

Willy comparing himself to Marner is what I'm afraid of, that's the big wrinkle in this entire situation and is why I think there's a good chance he goes the UFA route as I don't think he wants to sign, and then watch Marner being signed for more, especially if he ends up with 110 points this season, and Marner doesn't crack 100 which is far from an unlikely scenario. That doesn't mean we won't still sign him after extending Marner first, but it's not the dream situation for us, that's for sure.

I’m going to lock in the homegrown rockstar forward work around the depth in a new cap environment, especially with Tavares getting so close to the end of his contract and cap freedom to come. I’m not losing Nylander so I can roll the dice on another round of Domi, Klingberg and Bertuzzi next summer.

100% this. I hope JT gives us a break on his next contract and is here for years to come. People shit all over him, blaming him for us not winning the cup which is insane. He's not the Messier type leader this team so badly needs but still, he's a great player and our centre depth would take a massive hit if he were to leave.

I think there is a 99.99% chance that this is the exact outcome. Nothing the team has done in its decision-making to this point implies a different outcome. They very clearly want to keep all of these guys and find depth pieces to fit around them.

That's the way I see it as well. If we don't keep them all, it will probably be because Nylander decides to take his talents elsewhere and if that's what he decides to do, there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[arso40]

Matthews has hit 100 point once in his career, for that matter he's only hit 90 point once in his career and his cap hit is over 13.

Willy comparing himself to Marner is what I'm afraid of, that's the big wrinkle in this entire situation and is why I think there's a good chance he goes the UFA route as I don't think he wants to sign, and then watch Marner being signed for more, especially if he ends up with 110 points this season, and Marner doesn't crack 100 which is far from an unlikely scenario. That doesn't mean we won't still sign him after extending Marner first, but it's not the dream situation for us, that's for sure.


100% this. I hope JT gives us a break on his next contract and is here for years to come. People shit all over him, blaming him for us not winning the cup which is insane. He's not the Messier type leader this team so badly needs but still, he's a great player and our centre depth would take a massive hit if he were to leave.


That's the way I see it as well. If we don't keep them all, it will probably be because Nylander decides to take his talents elsewhere and if that's what he decides to do, there's nothing we can do about it.

There is…..stop being cheap it’s like nylanders the one guy we don’t want to pay

 

[notDatsyuk]

So he was a 75-80 point franchise level center, still more valuable than a PPG winger though

Bull**** he's a center, he's as much of a center as Marner is, he played center in junior don't you know

Are we presuming that player can't fall off or suffer major injuries that make him less effective and less valuable as he reaches his mid 30's?

He's probably good for 90-100 points this season, no way in hell he deserves Pasta levels of pay though

Those are four very subjective opinions.

But yes, I do know (and told you) that he played centre in junior. I also told you that he was drafted as a centre, played centre in the minors, and still plays centre for Sweden.

And I didn't say "he deserve Pasta levels of pay".

 

[ToneDog]

Those are four very subjective opinions.

But yes, I do know (and told you) that he played centre in junior. I also told you that he was drafted as a centre, played centre in the minors, and still plays centre for Sweden.

And I didn't say "he deserve Pasta levels of pay".

Interesting. Just saw a podcast on TSN web site with Button saying Willie deserves Pasta money. IMO he's out of his mind or trolling Leafs' fans.

 

[capfit9]

Interesting. Just saw a podcast on TSN web site with Button saying Willie deserves Pasta money. IMO he's out of his mind or trolling Leafs' fans.

you have to trade him, his value can't get any higher

 

[Twine Tickler]

Just pay the man already. Make the man a career Maple Leaf. What ore does this guy need to show you Brad?

 

[Arzak]

Those are four very subjective opinions.

But yes, I do know (and told you) that he played centre in junior. I also told you that he was drafted as a centre, played centre in the minors, and still plays centre for Sweden.

And I didn't say "he deserve Pasta levels of pay".

He did, with his buddy Pasta. Boston is in desperate need of C, if we don't pay Nylander we are risking Nylander Pasta reunion.