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What is your limit for a "Cap %" for Nylander

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Arzak said:
He did, with his buddy Pasta. Boston is in desperate need of C, if we don't pay Nylander we are risking Nylander Pasta reunion.
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Bruins would need to do some fancy cap management to fit in an $11m Nylander. Personally, if he walks for nothing, I'm hoping somebody pays him more than Pasta but that is as likely to happen as Marner getting two offersheets. LOL.
 
It's a bad idea to just use goals/assists/points in determining salary like many on the boards do. Leadership qualities, defensive abiliies, PK, PIM, attitude, toughness, consistency, health, age, etc. are hard to measure/compare but should be factors in salary, upward or downward. Laine is a good example for what happens if you don't.
 
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ToneDog said:
Agreed, was going to say that but not interested in debating it with those that think you cannot win a trade for one of the 3 amigos. You also can't win many playoff rounds with them. LOL.
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Even if you can't get a package for immediate help on the roster, I would get the best package for futures and flip them when something becomes available
 
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ToneDog said:
No idea how close both sides are but if they are not., sell high, buy low.

Nylander to Calgary for Lindholm, Kadri (50%) and Tanev (50%).

Is that enough for Leafs fans who would never trade 88?
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I would for Lindholm and Hanifin and hope you could extend both. Hanifin is the perfect #3 and I think Hanifin-Liljegren would be a steady/two-way pair for years.

Lindholm is the perfect two-way centre to slot in behind Matthews and ahead of hopefully Minten.

Imagine a line of Tavares-Lindholm-Cowan

Move an aging and hopefully much cheaper Tavares to the wing where he can focus on doing his thing. Lindholm would take care of the two-way play while Cowan would be the motor.

I'd love to keep Nylander, but a deal like that would help move around many needed elements in the lineup.
 
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I don’t know if the season he’s having is going to shift things a crazy amount. JT Miller put up a 99 point contract year season and signed at pretty much the going rate for his ~PPG play the seasons prior at roughly the same age as Nylander.

Huberdeau and Kadri are a product of a desperate GM not a crazy contract year, the only problem is that said desperate GM is our GM. If he’s keeping Keefe around to “keep a bullet in the chamber” for his own job security he sure as shit needs to get Nylander sorted out for the same reason.
 
Judas Tavares said:
I would for Lindholm and Hanifin and hope you could extend both. Hanifin is the perfect #3 and I think Hanifin-Liljegren would be a steady/two-way pair for years.

Lindholm is the perfect two-way centre to slot in behind Matthews and ahead of hopefully Minten.

Imagine a line of Tavares-Lindholm-Cowan

Move an aging and hopefully much cheaper Tavares to the wing where he can focus on doing his thing. Lindholm would take care of the two-way play while Cowan would be the motor.

I'd love to keep Nylander, but a deal like that would help move around many needed elements in the lineup.
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Not sure Hanifin wants to sign in Canada. Klingberg would have to go the other way which means you have to add Minten or a first. The issue I see with Hanifin is that he does not bring what I believe Tre wants to add on D. Tanev and Zadorov do.
 
djdev said:
"If Marner and Tavares were worth $11M several years ago (they weren't) then Nylander is easily worth that now."

"If you're using Pastrnak as a comparison, can you justify the contracts of Matthews, Marner, or Tavares?"

this is why i was bringing up marner and matthews to you.

anyways, im not trying to argue with anyone here, and possibly wires got crossed in a few of our exchanges.
clearly we dont agree on what willy is worth.

i believe willy is worth what he was worth at the beginning of the season as of now.
thats basically it, its realistic to believe hes a ppg player going forward that gives 30+ goals a year. i believe given what other wingers of his production are signing for, that the roughly 10mil per season number is more than fair.
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Note that I said "several years ago" - please feel free to compare Mitch's stats from before his $11M contract with Nylander's stats now.

As for Pastrnak, the point was not comparing Nylander to Matthews, but pointing out that Pastrnak is not a good comparison for any of them.

PPG and 30+ goals a year? Hmm. JT was barely that when he signed with us for almost 14% of the cap, and Mitch wasn't close when he signed. If they were both worth $11M way back then, why's Willy only worth $10M now?
 
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Suntouchable13 said:
You have to choose between Willy and Marner. I don’t think it makes financial cap sense to go with them making 11M + for the long term. Don’t care how the cap is rising. You have to shake up this core anyway, unless they go deep in the playoffs in 2024. Both of them at 11M is a luxury, not a need. You don’t need two wingers making that much, when you can turn one of them into a good D or 2 that can really balance this team out.
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Let JT walk or sign him for a reasonable amount as 3C or a LW, use the difference for a good D, and move Willy to 2C. Problems solved! :sarcasm:
 
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ToneDog said:
Bruins would need to do some fancy cap management to fit in an $11m Nylander. Personally, if he walks for nothing, I'm hoping somebody pays him more than Pasta but that is as likely to happen as Marner getting two offersheets. LOL.
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They have 5M cap penalty for this year, but I can see them with enough cap space next year.

:D yeah offersheets from SJ -- $15Mx8 years. I imagine there is a fan in SJ with 5 followers on Twitter making these unconfirmed offers
 
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- The core four needs to become the core three (Matthews, Marner, Nylander)/Sign Nylander to 11m/8yr
- Trade Tavares this summer at 50% retained or full if possible. Add whatever it takes to make that happen. Give Matthews the captaincy. Marner/Nylander/Rielly assistants.
- Spend all of extra 5-11m on D.
- Bring in a young speedy C on an ELC to become Nylanders new long term center.

Knies Matthews Marner
-------- ELC/Center Nylander
 
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Jamason said:
Note that I said "several years ago" - please feel free to compare Mitch's stats from before his $11M contract with Nylander's stats now.

As for Pastrnak, the point was not comparing Nylander to Matthews, but pointing out that Pastrnak is not a good comparison for any of them.

PPG and 30+ goals a year? Hmm. JT was barely that when he signed with us for almost 14% of the cap, and Mitch wasn't close when he signed. If they were both worth $11M way back then, why's Willy only worth $10M now
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they both werent worth 11 -12m back then, thats the issue. like i said to another person here JT was ground zero for alot of contract issues over the past few years. in reality, we cant continue to pay for a previous GMs mistakes going foward if we want to have a club that truly competes, i believe this current model has kind of shown us that so far. i will be in here again comparing marner to his peers if he asks for mcdavid money etc when his contract is up. and in reality i have no problem moving any player going forward that demands more than his comps around the league.

the funny thing is i would argue that marner might not even be worth the pasta contract over 8 years if he was up for his new contract this year, this isnt an im against willy thing as im against all of it thing lol.
 
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Judas Tavares said:
I would for Lindholm and Hanifin and hope you could extend both. Hanifin is the perfect #3 and I think Hanifin-Liljegren would be a steady/two-way pair for years.

Lindholm is the perfect two-way centre to slot in behind Matthews and ahead of hopefully Minten.

Imagine a line of Tavares-Lindholm-Cowan

Move an aging and hopefully mu(plus ch cheaper Tavares to the wing where he can focus on doing his thing. Lindholm would take care of the two-way play while Cowan would be the motor.

I'd love to keep Nylander, but a deal like that would help move around many needed elements in the lineup.
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Trade one pending UFA for two pending UFAs?

Why not just move the "much cheaper Tavares to the wing" and Willy to 2C, and use the difference in JT's contract (plus) to sign Hanifin?
 
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Gilmour1996 said:
It's a bad idea to just use goals/assists/points in determining salary like many on the boards do. Leadership qualities, defensive abiliies, PK, PIM, attitude, toughness, consistency, health, age, etc. are hard to measure/compare but should be factors in salary, upward or downward. Laine is a good example for what happens if you don't.
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Exactly, and being able to handle pressure in the playoffs might be a key attribute for a team that seems to have some issues there.
 
this is not that complicated. JT has one year left. Nylander will sing and JT will extend and they are pretty much going to take each others cap hit. Nylander just under 11M and JT will resign at 34 for $7M for 3-4 years. Cap situation stays the same.
 
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Jamason said:
The actual point streak is an aberration - his performance in the past 17 games, relative to his performance over the last 3 seasons, isn't.
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The point streak from start of season is an aberration for every player in the history of the game. (9 players)

His skill, speed, and ability to score is pretty consistent, but his consistency hasn't been.

Perhaps this is just organic growth with some luck thrown in?
 
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81Leafs50 said:
this is not that complicated. JT has one year left. Nylander will sing and JT will extend and they are pretty much going to take each others cap hit. Nylander just under 11M and JT will resign at 34 for $7M for 3-4 years. Cap situation stays the same.
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So 46+m/88m next year and 42+m/90+m the subsequent years for 4 guys who have won nothing as a core.
 
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