Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Dekes For Days]

Marner has never had a 100 point season let alone averaging 101………..pace for, does not count.

Whether or not somebody hits some silly meaningless number or one away in some arbitrarily separated sample of games is irrelevant, and pace is not only a more accurate representation of the player quality but is also literally the only way to do this, considering multiple seasons within that sample were cut short due to a global pandemic, and we're only partially through this current season. But also, pace or not literally changes nothing about the conclusion. It is in fact more "beneficial" to Nylander.

Marner cheats on PK hence why his goal prevention on PK below average at best.
He can't stop padding his stats even if it means he gets scored on PK - more than any other Leaf. Look at Mitch - 100 point pace with elite PK! Meanwhile his PK is only elite if you care about Mitch Marner's point totals.

He is elite defensively on the PK. This was already shown to you in a previous post you ignored.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Marner cheats on PK hence why his goal prevention on PK below average at best.

He can't stop padding his stats even if it means he gets scored on PK - more than any other Leaf. Look at Mitch - 100 point pace with elite PK! Meanwhile his PK is only elite if you care about Mitch Marner's point totals.

He gets too much credit for scoring on PK.

"Mitch points means more because he's elite on PK" .

That's been shown a number of times, but there are still a couple of posters who refuse to see/admit it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Marner cheats on PK hence why his goal prevention on PK below average at best.

He can't stop padding his stats even if it means he gets scored on PK - more than any other Leaf. Look at Mitch - 100 point pace with elite PK! Meanwhile his PK is only elite if you care about Mitch Marner's point totals.

He gets too much credit for scoring on PK.

"Mitch points means more because he's elite on PK" .

Agreed. I always thought it was weird to talk about point production on the PK. I've never heard anyone do that before, just like I've never heard anyone brag about how good someone is at preventing goals while on the PP. There's a ton of good things to talk about if you want to pump up Marner, hard to understand why someone would go these weird places where no one has ever gone before.

Big picture is that Marner is part of a PK unit that's nothing special and the fact that he pots a point every now isn't a big deal one way or the other.

 

[Racer88]

Whether or not somebody hits some silly meaningless number or one away in some arbitrarily separated sample of games is irrelevant, and pace is not only a more accurate representation of the player quality but is also literally the only way to do this, considering multiple seasons within that sample were cut short due to a global pandemic, and we're only partially through this current season. But also, pace or not literally changes nothing about the conclusion. It is in fact more "beneficial" to Nylander.

He is elite defensively on the PK. This was already shown to you in a previous post you ignored.

Do they award the scoring title on actual goals or on pace for goals.
Do they decide the winner of the season on actual points or on pace for points.
it is simply a stat that people who fail to achieve what ever milestone is being measured use to make them look better.

 

[ACC1224]

Do they award the scoring title on actual goals or on pace for goals.
Do they decide the winner of the season on actual points or on pace for points.
it is simply a stat that people who fail to achieve what ever milestone is being measured use to make them look better.

Some people are able to think a little deeper. Challenge yourself.

 

[Optimist]

One thing that Marner and Nylander have in common is that both of their fathers are heavily engaged in their sons contract negotiations. Whoever signs Nylander will not have an easy time with it.

 

[rumman]

If Toronto has to choose one of them, you take Nylander 100%.

Trade Marner for a top pairing D man if possible.

Marner's NTC says hi.............

 

[ACC1224]

Unfortunately for us that is true NHL Agent Poll: Maple Leafs’ Kyle Dubas Deemed Most Generous GM

He's going to run the Pens into the ground. NHL hasn't seen a con man like Dubas since the Bruce McNall days.

 

[Notsince67]

I bet you had this as a screen saver for a while now, just switched Nylander with Marner.


If anything the narrative is Nylander, just like the rest of the league should bow to Mitch. You can't even respond with fake justification of the $4M gap between the two, so you switched to family photos.

For real, is this your family photo or you googled this?

I'd hate to be FBI agent checking your browser history

I have zero clue what you are even on about. Marner has completed 4 rfa years. In that he had annualized numbers of 101.73 pts.
Allign Willys first 4 years and his numbers were 67.15. f*** with the number all you want, hater, but there was a merited contract difference that was substantial despite the level Willy is playing at. I have never said that Willy currently merits a 4mm salary difference in his new contract. Only casuals like yourself need to build those strawmen.

 

[ACC1224]

One thing that Marner and Nylander have in common is that both of their fathers are heavily engaged in their sons contract negotiations. Whoever signs Nylander will not have an easy time with it.

Marners dad hasn't been involved in his career in quite some time, rarely even attends games.

It's this generations Bozak vs Kadri

Except with way better players.

Those were the days. MooseOAK was a beauty.

 

[Racer88]

Some people are able to think a little deeper. Challenge yourself.

Thinking deeper…….lmao. Making excuses maybe. but I deal in the world where things that actually happen are what counts not on pace for or expected goals etc etc…….total nonsense in the real world.
Some people live in the fantasy world, come on out

 

[Notsince67]

Marner has never had a 100 point season let alone averaging 101………..pace for, does not count. Actual numbers are all that counts. On pace for is just a poor excuse for the player never having achieved the claimed number.

Yikes...you need some basic rithmetics before you can compare apples and oranges. Comparing on an 82 game annualized rate is pretty basic stuff.

 

[rocketman588]

Might as well keep them both this year. You can't trade Mitch because of the NMC and honestly I don't want to get rid of Willy.

In terms of signing them it depends what Mitch wants. Imho he hasn't earned much more then he's currently making right now ( look at every other winger in the league it shows much of an overpay that was).

If he wants 13 get rid of him in the off-season if you can. If he's fine with getting basically what he makes now you can maybe make it work

 

[Optimist]

Marners dad hasn't been involved in his career in quite some time, rarely even attends games.

Mitch hasn't been in a contract negotiation in quite some time.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Huberdeau as a trade and sign or Gaudreau as a re-sign wouldn't have worked out well for Calgary in either case since neither player is worth what they make now. The mortal blow to that franchise was losing Matthew Tkachuk as he was about to hit his prime.

Tkachuk was a massive loss.

Kylington being MIA is a big loss for their left side and giving up on Valimaki seems to have been a bad idea. Defense take such a long time unless they're truly special like Gustav Forsling over in Florida...took a few teams to catch on.

If Timmins magically found the recipe to durability, he could be one of those guys who emerges at 25-27 to be a solid top 4 guy for a few years.

He's going to run the Pens into the ground. NHL hasn't seen a con man like Dubas since the Bruce McNall days.

I couldn't believe he signed Jarry to that contract.

 

[Arzak]

I have zero clue what you are even on about. Marner has completed 4 rfa years. In that he had annualized numbers of 101.73 pts.
Allign Willys first 4 years and his numbers were 67.15. f*** with the number all you want, hater, but there was a merited contract difference that was substantial despite the level Willy is playing at. I have never said that Willy currently merits a 4mm salary difference in his new contract. Only casuals like yourself need to build those strawmen.

Talk about strawmen. Mitch got 0 100 point seasons, ZERO Paul ZERO.

Annualized numbers?

It's not like he is a rookie with no track record, what's the point of fabricating annualized numbers at this stage of his career? He's not paid for potential.

 

[ACC1224]

Mitch hasn't been in a contract negotiation in quite some time.

Correct.

 

[Racer88]

Yikes...you need some basic rithmetics before you can compare apples and oranges. Comparing on an 82 game annualized rate is pretty basic stuff.

Sorry wrong. He either has had a 100 point season or he has not. No amount of spin about on pace for will change that no matter how you “annualized the numbers Or pretend otherwise

 

[Racer88]

Talk about strawmen. Mitch got 0 100 point seasons, ZERO Paul ZERO.

Annualized numbers?

It's not like he is a rookie with no track record, what's the point of fabricating annualized numbers at this stage of his career? He's not paid for potential.

I laughed about the “word dropping“ as well.
the second part of this debate is have any of Marners comparables had 100 point seasons and if so how many of them

 

[Arzak]

I laughed about the “word dropping“ as well.
the second part of this debate is have any of Marners comparables had 100 point seasons and if so how many of them

It's all about pacing now. How many times did someone mention 70 games season where Pasta scored 48 goals?

What others achieved vs what Mitch could have done if he just tried in October. He got a great year last year, the best in his career.

He was 13th in points which is great, he also had the 5th highest cap hit.

 

[Notsince67]

Sorry wrong. He either has had a 100 point season or he has not. No amount of spin about on pace for will change that no matter how you “annualized the numbers Or pretend otherwise

Dude. I have revealed my background here in the past. You really don't know what you are saying. Take 4 years of points, divide by the number of games and multiply by 82. It's a very basic exercise to measure a data trend to compare with others.
You think this helps nylanders evaluation? It cuts both ways. The difference in points for the 2 in the first 4 years was 36% of Marners totals which puts Nylander pretty well at 7mm relative to Marners approx 11mm. This assumes no premium for higher levels which is blatantly hillareous.
If you want to handicap the valuation then you don't help the cause and look pretty innept doing it.

 

[34]

Marner's NTC says hi.............

I know. I was just saying that he would be the one to trade. You know he is entitled and will demand a pay hike as well.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Do they award the scoring title on actual goals or on pace for goals.
Do they decide the winner of the season on actual points or on pace for points.

We're not talking about a silly award, so what they do for it is irrelevant.

 

[rumman]

I know. I was just saying that he would be the one to trade. You know he is entitled and will demand a pay hike as well.

Maybe he’s the one to let walk for nothing?

 

[Racer88]

Dude. I have revealed my background here in the past. You really don't know what you are saying. Take 4 years of points, divide by the number of games and multiply by 82. It's a very basic exercise to measure a data trend to compare with others.
You think this helps nylanders evaluation? It cuts both ways. The difference in points for the 2 in the first 4 years was 36% of Marners totals which puts Nylander pretty well at 7mm relative to Marners approx 11mm. This assumes no premium for higher levels which is blatantly hillareous.
If you want to handicap the valuation then you don't help the cause and look pretty innept doing it.

I really don’t care what your background is. My point is Marner has never has a 100 point season. Full stop.

We're not talking about a silly award, so what they do for it is irrelevant.

It is not a silly award Almost every hockey person in the world with the exception of a few here reference points in a season, not expected and not on pace for. What is irrelevant is you using “on pace for” to prop up a player that has actually never reached this on pace for number.
you guys can take numbers and manipulate them to say what ever fits your point.
A simple question, has Marner ever had 100 points in a single season?