ToneDog
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IMO, yes. I am looking at it as a fan who is tired of losing. He might be worth it to MLSEL who has to keep the paying customers entertained for 41 regular season games.
Nylander contract discussion - New Poll
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Evilhomer
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Come on, Ottawa and Detroit? Neither of those teams is going to come close to winning anything but a wild card spot (or maybe at best third in the division) this season. Eventually, they will both be good, but not yet. Boston should likely end up second in the division, but they haven't been a good playoff team for years, and I don't see why they would be any better this season. Tampa will struggle to earn a wild card spot and will be out in the first round. Florida may not even make the playoffs.
In the Metro, Jersey is in my opinion the only real threat, and I think Toronto is a deeper team than Jersey this season, and the styles of both teams match up well for Toronto.
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Also, if we didn't have Tavares making 11, I think I would also be more open to paying Willy 10 even if it's an overpayment compared to peers.
ACC1224
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I guess I don't see a huge difference the 1 million could make. If he brings value at 9, doesn't make sense to me to lose him at 10.
ToneDog
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Once the Canes get their D straightened out, the Leafs may never score on them in the ECF. Freddie might not be enough for us to get by them. LOL.
Evilhomer
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For all of the heat that Toronto gets, no one seems to acknowledge that Carolina falls flat in spectacular fashion literally every season. They wouldn't beat Toronto in a playoff series.
ToneDog
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It's early and lots of moves to be made but if I had to bet, I take Brind'Amour over Keefe.
If all bias is to be removed and I'd actually have to put money on it - I'm betting on Carolina. Sorry dude.
Evilhomer
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I get it. Everyone says that every season. And then, like clockwork, every season Carolina is turfed in what is usually pretty embarrassing fashion. It never gets much press because no one cares. This season, they doubled down on their failure by bringing back the same two goalies who were unreliable in prior years.
At least Carolina got swept by Florida in the 3rd round!
You do make a good point that no one seems to bring up that they fall short every year as favourites.
The Leafs grab all the attention because they fail earlier every year
Evilhomer
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I think it's just the difference in market size. Everyone looks at Carolina as the underdog small market team, and as a result there is less emphasis on them when things don't work out. Carolina has been a media favourite for years now, and yet each and every year they are eliminated in often meek fashion. Swept last year, losing to a pretty mediocre Rangers team the year prior, etc.
rumman
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they'll have to, all 4 will have NTC's by then, book it............
I wish we didn't have to overpay our guys to keep them. I don't even need them to take discounts, I just wish they'd sign fair deals that were in line with their comparables. Overpaying for talent is the mark of a franchise that stinks. Did we just get the duds who want every dollar and don't show up when it matters? (Far more M+M than Nylander) Do these guys not believe in the project? We already overpaid Matthews a little, we're now going to overpay Nylander, which means we're going to overpay Marner a lot (again). Oh boy, same team, same salary structure, I'm sure we'll rack up some series wins if we just try a different set of bottom sixers and 2m goalies.
I remember when Lou talked about the logo on the front being more important than the name on the back. Those days are long gone now. Our team identity is nothing more than "our best players are better than your best players".
Willy is a phenomenal player. With him as our #3, our team's best players truly are better than the other guys' best players. Unfortunately, winning comparison polls on HFboards doesn't matter in May. The team doesn't work and I don't think it's Nylander's fault, I think we can win with him, but the problem is that the writing is on the wall and Willy can see it.
I remember when Lou talked about the logo on the front being more important than the name on the back. Those days are long gone now. Our team identity is nothing more than "our best players are better than your best players".
Willy is a phenomenal player. With him as our #3, our team's best players truly are better than the other guys' best players. Unfortunately, winning comparison polls on HFboards doesn't matter in May. The team doesn't work and I don't think it's Nylander's fault, I think we can win with him, but the problem is that the writing is on the wall and Willy can see it.
I have come to the conclusion that I understand the thought process behind what Dubas thought was going to happen. You can now see it playing out with almost every young star. Gamble that if you overpay early, it will be a fair or bargain deal by the end.
Nylander has the 98th highest AAV now. He is indeed a bargain if he has another year like last or better.
Over time though I tend to see that even if Dubas thought the cap was going to increase quicker, which it would have without Covid, there was np reason to pay Matthews and Marner as much as hed did.
He could hqve went 10 and 9 and both would have made their fortunes and the Leafs wouldn't be stuck with this dilema all over again.
I don't begrudge anyone for asking or taking whatever contract they can. It's very easy to pretend you would do something different when it's a fantasy.
But this whole thing could have worked out a little better if everyone had taken a little less right from the start
supermann_98
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Yet to be seen if the 4 amigos we’re talking about are Matthews, Nylander, Marner and say, Hedman or Shea Theodore (two guys that are UFA’s at the same time as Tavares.)
I wouldn’t put it past ANY team to beat us in a playoff series, not after that Montreal disaster
Well for one, Nylander hasn't shown himself to be Pasta. He deserves to get paid, but if he's looking for pasta money he's out to lunch. He's having a fantastic start for sure though and if he puts up 95-100 points then $10MM will be the minimum that even gets him to the negotiation tables (and rightfully so given what his contemporaries on the Leafs have gotten).
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Twice as many goals in a sample size of? 6 games for him, 5 for Willy.
Willy has four times as many goals as Mitch (in the same number of games).
Really small sample sizes are fun, aren't they?
Over the last 6 seasons, DeBrincat has 17 more points in 32 more games, and he's making about $1M more per season.
rumman
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At least in this scenario you spent some meaningful money on the D, something that hasn’t happened since boy wonder began ruining the team……..
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Either that, or we just lose Nylander. I would have just given Willie his 10m in the summer and then got ready to play hardball with Marner next summer. I'd tell him that he got overpaid by the last GM, he gets more endorsement dollars here than he would get anywhere else, he has a habit of fading as the games get bigger in the playoffs, offer him a symbolic/minimalistic raise and say take it or leave it.
Unless of course Marner conquers his demons and crushes it in the big playoff games, then I'm fine with overpaying him as well but if not ... I want playoff success and if he can't help us win playoff series, what good is he?
And losing to Florida was just as big a disaster. Losing in the playoffs seems to be our specialty as we turn all opposing goalies into superstars.
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Give him his 9.5 - 10 before its 10.5m
ToneDog
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Willie fans are saying the price is rising after a sample of 5 games and 9 points. Is that large enough sample?? Of course not. I said give it 40 games and if he is pacng for 100 points, give him his money.
Forget Mtch. Apparently he starts to light it up in November. LOL.
Debrincat has 2 40 goal seasons. More goals in 70 fewer games. Willie has more points in 70 more games. As for money, Debrincat was making less than Willie until he signed with Detroit after he was acquired this summer. Willie will surpass him next year by millions most likely.
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ULF_55
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Too late, horse left the barn about 4 years ago with another Leafs winger.
Can never eat your cake and have it too.
ULF_55
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Debrincat and Nylander are/were not in the same boat.
Nylander is UFA and Debrincat was RFA(arb), so he wasn't a free agent.
Debrincat only wanted to go to Detroit.
I bet Debrincat could have got more was he open to signing anywhere. But he wanted Detroit and gets a 16 team NTC starting next year.
supermann_98
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The way it shook down, I often wish JT took the sharks crazy offer and we used that saved money for a Dman like Pietrangelo and still have some leftover money to pay Hyman and not have to give away 1st round picks to take awful contracts off our hands.
Definitely a rushed rebuild and still the same flawed team
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ToneDog
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16 and 34 were RFAs. How did that go?
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