the salary cap will prevent the Leafs from paying him what he wants so they may have to trade him, but make sure they get someone tood in return.
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KaN19
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An 8 year deal makes total sense for Willy and that's what his agent will be pushing for. He's going to turn 28 at the end of this season. He's not young enough to double-dip like Matthews. Taking the huge guranteed money until 36 is the right move.
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Agree, outstanding player. At this rate he is going to crack the top 20 players in the NHL, which he may already have.
ToneDog
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If that is his ask, I'll drive him to the airport. We have zero chance to win with Willie making that kind of coin. Rather sell high.
My issue is that it is going to be almost impossible to recoup a package that will make it worthwhile.
Long term I guess you could trade Nylander, let JT walk and retool on the fly around Matthews/Marner
ULF_55
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Yeah, I think he'd be thrilled with Pastrnak's deal, but I don't think he's earned it.
If Pastrnak was on the Leafs, he'd be close to Matthews. He puts up points, including over 100 AND he scores GOALS. Neither Nylander nor marner are in his category of being point producer AND goals scorer.
IMO Nylander should be thrilled with $10mm for 8, and I don't think he'd be overpaid there, and would again earn his deal for most of the term.
He can both make plays and beat goaltenders.
HellasLEAF
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He has taken another step physically I think this year. Looking really confident out there. I'm sorry but the trade talks for a D that's over. He is never leaving. Leafs will just wait out JT and add from there or look in another direction for space.
ToneDog
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How can we compete paying a 40 goal guy $12m while Boston is paying a 60 goal guy $11.25m ? $12m is an exaggeration but until he puts up 100 points, I am not going near $10m.
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We know by now that leaf players look at internal comparables.
As of right now, if we look at the last 3 seasons, Nylander is 20th in points in the league, and 14th in goals.
That's VERY close to where Tavares was positioned his last 3 years into going into ufa (and if Nylander keeps it up this year, he may even surpass him).
Tavares was offered THRITEEN MILLION and that's way back in the year 2018.
What on earth could Nylander fetch on the open market?
The simple truth is we can't afford him. We just can't. So we should have traded him last year when we had more trade value.
The Tavares signing will cost us Nylander.
It didn't have to though. When Tavares was signed it could have easily worked, but it absolutely hinged on one key thing. Having at least 2 (hopefully 3) of the young core signing their post elc contracts at terms where they expire the same year as Tavares. That's what we needed.
I was never critical of the aav of our post elc unprecedented dramatic overpayments, but the terms. Now you're all seeing I was right.
As of right now, if we look at the last 3 seasons, Nylander is 20th in points in the league, and 14th in goals.
That's VERY close to where Tavares was positioned his last 3 years into going into ufa (and if Nylander keeps it up this year, he may even surpass him).
Tavares was offered THRITEEN MILLION and that's way back in the year 2018.
What on earth could Nylander fetch on the open market?
The simple truth is we can't afford him. We just can't. So we should have traded him last year when we had more trade value.
The Tavares signing will cost us Nylander.
It didn't have to though. When Tavares was signed it could have easily worked, but it absolutely hinged on one key thing. Having at least 2 (hopefully 3) of the young core signing their post elc contracts at terms where they expire the same year as Tavares. That's what we needed.
I was never critical of the aav of our post elc unprecedented dramatic overpayments, but the terms. Now you're all seeing I was right.
In no way do I think we should pay him 12 million.
If the Leafs do decide to move him, I just hope they can not get killed in the trade
ToneDog
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They will sign hm in the end IMO. Good thing is Dubas is not trading him. Bad thing is Tre would be. LOL.
Evilhomer
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Exactly. There is zero chance they aren't resigning both nylander and Marner. They will make the dollars work.
Marner hasn’t done either and is right there at 11 hard to use that as an argument to hold Willy under 10
ToneDog
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Marner is an overpay. We can't keep overpaying these guys after all their failures. Hell we add at the TDL giving up huge assets and they still can't get over the hump. IMO can't go down the same rat hole again even though they did with 34.
notDatsyuk
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We're already paying a guy who scored 40 last year $13.25M.
But I agree - anything under 100 points, especially if it doesn't include at least 35 goals, doesn't deserve $10M.
ToneDog
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Yeah was going to say that but he has a 60 goal season, ROTY and Hart under his belt. We can't pay 4 guys half the cap and compete with teams that are paying their stars 2-3m less than ours.
rumman
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I'm more concerned on winning a cup, not one trade. If losing a trade brings in what's needed to win a cup, well.....bring it on...........
rumman
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like they have the last 5 years, how's that worked out? Made it work cap wise. Made it work team wise.......not so much...........
two wrongs don't make a right..............
saffronleaf
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I don't disagree but losing a trade for Nylander doesn't get them closer to a Cup. Short term at least.
rumman
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you don't know that for certain, Flames traded Brett Hull away knowing he'd be a superstar for years afterwards, but they acquired the pieces they needed to win the cup so they made the deal..........
If I'm Nylander I'm not accepting any less than Marner or Tavares. Dubas set a really bad precedent here.
nuck
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The package that makes it worthwhile starts with $10 in cap space so you can add a player like Eckholm instead of a McCabe. Willie was not bad in the playoffs but 10pts in 11 games and 40 in 56 career doesn't mean he carries the team in the post season. At least one piece coming back will be a young player on a value deal.
notDatsyuk
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Second in goals and third in points while only tied for fourth in ice time is maybe better than "not bad". Looks like he was "carrying the team" about as well as anyone.
Maybe keeping his $10M and having JT's $11M in cap space (and the better player) is a more worthwhile start.
He definitely looks that good right now, if he can maintain this level and bring a consistent two-way game in the playoffs I’d put him there
Why should he? He’s a better player than either of them were when they signed that and the cap is higher now too
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