Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Gary Nylund]

You trade him to a contender at the deadline. You don’t think a Colorado/Vegas/Seattle/Kings won’t want a Nylander at the deadline?

You don't think the Leafs would want him just as much as those other teams?

 

[Budz]

Of course, any team would he's a great player.
Not the best idea to make contenders stronger when you're a contender yourself though.

So you feel other teams should pay and then let the player walk but it's a bad idea for the Leafs to let a player walk?
Why isn't that a bad idea for them?

I don’t give a flying fudge what other teams do.

I absolutely know Nylander would bring in a haul.

I would use that haul to get someone with at least some term.

Letting top players walk for nothing is not a recipe for success.

You don't think the Leafs would want him just as much as those other teams?

Look- I want him to stay. I hope management tells him too. However, the player has to understand they cannot risk him walking for zero return.

Bottom line - he also needs to be reasonable or understand he will be playing elsewhere.

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t give a flying fudge what other teams do.

I absolutely know Nylander would bring in a haul.

I would use that haul to get someone with at least some term.

Letting top players walk for nothing is not a recipe for success.



Look- I want him to stay. I hope management tells him too. However, the player has to understand they cannot risk him walking for zero return.

Bottom line - he also needs to be reasonable or understand he will be playing elsewhere.

You have to consider other teams. Why wouldn't these other teams use this 'haul' and get this player with term for themselves?

Be prepared to be disappointed, what you're wishing for doesn't seem realistic.

 

[hockeywiz542]

William Nylander is willing to negotiate in-season. He just doesn’t want to hear about it

William Nylander told his agent, Lewis Gross, he can continue to negotiate with the Leafs throughout the season, The Athletic has learned.

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The Leafs, now managed by Brad Treliving, are fortunate Nylander decided he’s willing to let negotiations proceed into the season. The team would otherwise have to wait until the season concluded, whenever that was, to restart talks and come to a deal under a time crunch: Nylander can become an unrestricted free agent next July 1.

Next July 1 is noteworthy for the Leafs for another reason: Mitch Marner becomes eligible to sign an extension.

Fail to sign Nylander by then — see him leave for another team — and Marner would gain leverage on his next deal. The Leafs presumably wouldn’t want to lose Nylander, after letting him play out his contract, and then see Marner enter the final season of his deal without an extension.

Treliving will still have to decide how to proceed if he and Gross don’t agree before the March 8 trade deadline. The Leafs might at least ponder the idea of trading Nylander at the risk of letting him exit entirely next summer.

Nylander does have a 10-team no-trade list.

It’s hard to envision a Nylander trade, regardless. Asked if the Leafs would hold onto Nylander regardless of what happened with the contract, Treliving told said last month that he wouldn’t make “any bold statements about anybody. I’m just saying he’s a really good player that we want to sign.”

Teams that are trying to win the Stanley Cup don’t typically trade their best players, even if those players are in the last year of their contracts.

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No, Nylander isn’t as impactful as either Matthews or Marner, but he’s been at least their equal in recent playoff production while earning a lot less. His 12 goals in the last three postseasons top Matthews (10), Marner (five), and John Tavares (seven).

Nylander has produced more combined goals than Tavares in the last three regular seasons (91-82) and a few more points (209-206). Tavares’ contract comes with an $11 million cap hit.

The Tavares contract will come off the books after the 2024-25 season.

In other words, the Leafs are going to have plenty of space to accommodate a Nylander raise, especially with the salary cap expected to rise when Nylander’s new deal begins next season (and continue to rise, presumably, after that).

 

[Gary Nylund]

I don’t give a flying fudge what other teams do.

I absolutely know Nylander would bring in a haul.

I would use that haul to get someone with at least some term.

Letting top players walk for nothing is not a recipe for success.



Look- I want him to stay. I hope management tells him too. However, the player has to understand they cannot risk him walking for zero return.

Bottom line - he also needs to be reasonable or understand he will be playing elsewhere.

Any player with term you get back for Nylander as a rental isn't going be very good.

Players walk for zero return all the time. It's not ideal but saying they "cannot risk" it is nothing more than hyperbole.

 

[Budz]

You have to consider other teams. Why wouldn't these other teams use this 'haul' and get this player with term for themselves?

Be prepared to be disappointed, what you're wishing for doesn't seem realistic.

I am absolutely considering other teams. I feel like you aren’t factoring what futures he could fetch.

I don’t think you are getting point - or you are just so sure this is our year and you are ok with losing him for zero.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

William Nylander is willing to negotiate in-season. He just doesn’t want to hear about it

William Nylander told his agent, Lewis Gross, he can continue to negotiate with the Leafs throughout the season, The Athletic has learned.

theathletic.com

The Leafs, now managed by Brad Treliving, are fortunate Nylander decided he’s willing to let negotiations proceed into the season. The team would otherwise have to wait until the season concluded, whenever that was, to restart talks and come to a deal under a time crunch: Nylander can become an unrestricted free agent next July 1.

Next July 1 is noteworthy for the Leafs for another reason: Mitch Marner becomes eligible to sign an extension.

Fail to sign Nylander by then — see him leave for another team — and Marner would gain leverage on his next deal. The Leafs presumably wouldn’t want to lose Nylander, after letting him play out his contract, and then see Marner enter the final season of his deal without an extension.

Treliving will still have to decide how to proceed if he and Gross don’t agree before the March 8 trade deadline. The Leafs might at least ponder the idea of trading Nylander at the risk of letting him exit entirely next summer.

Nylander does have a 10-team no-trade list.

It’s hard to envision a Nylander trade, regardless. Asked if the Leafs would hold onto Nylander regardless of what happened with the contract, Treliving told said last month that he wouldn’t make “any bold statements about anybody. I’m just saying he’s a really good player that we want to sign.”

Teams that are trying to win the Stanley Cup don’t typically trade their best players, even if those players are in the last year of their contracts.

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No, Nylander isn’t as impactful as either Matthews or Marner, but he’s been at least their equal in recent playoff production while earning a lot less. His 12 goals in the last three postseasons top Matthews (10), Marner (five), and John Tavares (seven).

Nylander has produced more combined goals than Tavares in the last three regular seasons (91-82) and a few more points (209-206). Tavares’ contract comes with an $11 million cap hit.

The Tavares contract will come off the books after the 2024-25 season.

In other words, the Leafs are going to have plenty of space to accommodate a Nylander raise, especially with the salary cap expected to rise when Nylander’s new deal begins next season (and continue to rise, presumably, after that).

Very nice detail there. The fact Nylander/agent allows negotiation during the season tells me Nylander really wants to stay. He wants to be Leaf Hes said it over and over too. I like that.

I also believe 10 mllionish is fair considering it equates to 9 million or less in the USA with tax situation(and I dont want to hear that he can make a bundle more with promotions, advertisements etc so he should take less. Thats not included in the equation)

Hopefully its gets done as we're never going to get fair value for him.

 

[Budz]

Any player with term you get back for Nylander as a rental isn't going be very good.

Players walk for zero return all the time. It's not ideal but saying they "cannot risk" it is nothing more than hyperbole.

Willy goes for:
1rst round pick
Top end prospect
++

Now….you trade those assets for a dman.
Please look at the ROR trade and the Ekholm trade.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Very nice detail there. The fact Nylander/agent allows negotiation during the season tells me Nylander really wants to stay. He wants to be Leaf Hes said it over and over too. I like that.

I also believe 10 mllionish is fair considering it equates to 9 million or less in the USA with tax situation(and I dont want to hear that he can make a bundle more with promotions, advertisements etc so he should take less. Thats not included in the equation)

Hopefully its gets done as we're never going to get fair value for him.

Yeah I think that's a really good sign as well. I'm also fine with paying him 10ish, yeah maybe it's a slight overpayment but that's all it is - a slight overpayment and if he keeps playing the way he has been, he could easily live up to that contract as well.

I think we're better off overpaying him by a bit than losing him. We're doing it for Matthews, we're no doubt going to do it for Marner so why not do it for the one guy who's production doesn't drop off when the playoffs start?

I think the best is still ahead for Nylander, really hope this gets done soon.

 

[ACC1224]

I am absolutely considering other teams. I feel like you aren’t factoring what futures he could fetch.

I don’t think you are getting point - or you are just so sure this is our year and you are ok with losing him for zero.

You can never be certain it's 'our year' and absolutely I'd be ok losing him, so would the Leafs. It's not a trade you can win.

What I don't get is why the Leafs would take this approach but you feel other teams would be ok not only losing him but paying futures to do it?

I added a poll to see how many share your thoughts.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Willy goes for:
1rst round pick
Top end prospect
++

Now….you trade those assets for a dman.
Please look at the ROR trade and the Ekholm trade.

I don't mind that, but I'd much rather get Nylander signed to a new contract.

 

[Budz]

I don't mind that, but I'd much rather get Nylander signed to a new contract.

I agree - I would rather have Willy signed. Takes 2 to tango though.

However, I make the deal at the deadline if Willy has not signed and make that clear to the player and agent.

Cannot lose him for 0. I know I’m a broken record, but you just can’t.

 

[Budz]

You can never be certain it's 'our year' and absolutely I'd be ok losing him, so would the Leafs. It's not a trade you can win.

What I don't get is why the Leafs would take this approach but you feel other teams would be ok not only losing him but paying futures to do it?

I don’t get why you can’t understand that if the Leafs wanted to protect themselves and make Nylander available to the Top Western TEAMS, that there wouldn’t be a bunch of teams willing to trade for Willy as a rental. Happens every year.

Now, those contenders won’t give anything but futures. Which is fine. You use them in a separate deal to another team.

 

[Gary Nylund]

I agree - I would rather have Willy signed. Takes 2 to tango though.

However, I make the deal at the deadline if Willy has not signed and make that clear to the player and agent.

Cannot lose him for 0. I know I’m a broken record, but you just can’t.

Sure you can, happens all the time. You keep him, try to win the cup, then you can still sign in the summer and if that doesn't work out either, then you at least free up the cap space and spend it on someone else.

 

[Da Cool Rula]

Yeah I think that's a really good sign as well. I'm also fine with paying him 10ish, yeah maybe it's a slight overpayment but that's all it is - a slight overpayment and if he keeps playing the way he has been, he could easily live up to that contract as well.

I think we're better off overpaying him by a bit than losing him. We're doing it for Matthews, we're no doubt going to do it for Marner so why not do it for the one guy who's production doesn't drop off when the playoffs start?

I think the best is still ahead for Nylander, really hope this gets done soon.

Agree 100%

 

[ACC1224]

I don’t get why you can’t understand that if the Leafs wanted to protect themselves and make Nylander available to the Top Western TEAMS, that there wouldn’t be a bunch of teams willing to trade for Willy as a rental. Happens every year.

Now, those contenders won’t give anything but futures. Which is fine. You use them in a separate deal to another team.

I understand what you're saying. The leafs don't want him to walk but these other teams are ok with it and will pay for the privelage.
Leafs allow other teams to get better, while they get worse.

 

[The Management]

I have to say that, on this particular issue, I wouldn't love an "own rental" approach with Nylander. If we can't get a deal done, I think we have to look at recouping some of his value via a trade, unless there's zero market for him or the return is totally underwhelming. Which I can't imagine it would be, given he potted forty goals last year and would be an instant top line player for most teams.

 

[Gabriel426]

Willy little brother is on waivers today with Pens.

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If the Leafs claimed Alex could this help in re-signing Willy?

Also Update:

The Athletic’s Jonas Siegel shared that Toronto forward William Nylander gave his agent, Lewis Gross, permission to continue negotiating a contract extension into the regular season. However, Nylander said he doesn’t want to hear updates until negotiations are closer to the finish line. Gross, notably, also represents Johnny Gaudreau, who had his own round of contract extension discussions with now-Leafs general manager Brad Treliving. The two sides, Gross and Treliving, aren’t unfamiliar with big-money extension discussions, which should be an interesting contributor to Nylander’s ongoing discussions.

Well didn’t Flames offered more money and Johnny still left for BJs?

 

[Da Cool Rula]

I have to say that, on this particular issue, I wouldn't love an "own rental" approach with Nylander. If we can't get a deal done, I think we have to look at recouping some of his value via a trade, unless there's zero market for him or the return is totally underwhelming. Which I can't imagine it would be, given he potted forty goals last year and would be an instant top line player for most teams.

Whether he's traded now or at the deadline were not getting much without him agreeing to an a contract with that team. I'd rather keep him to help our playoff run.

 

[Evilhomer]

Sure you can, happens all the time. You keep him, try to win the cup, then you can still sign in the summer and if that doesn't work out either, then you at least free up the cap space and spend it on someone else.

I agree, but I don't think any of this will even become relevant. I think it's a virtual certainty that he will resign in Toronto, because management will "cave" and sign him to pretty close to the number he wants. It won't be $10 million, but I think $9.5 is probably around where it ends up. Who knows the number of years, but I bet it will be longer than Matthews contract.

 

[djdev]

I think we can all agree that Tkachuks contract is a bit of a bargain. It was signed with one great season and his previous years were pretty sub-Nylander


I see nothing either seeing we arent out of the pre-season yet

hmmm except thats really not true, lets remove the past 2 seasons of each player where each vastly increased their previous point totals.

tkachuk 278 points in 349 games = .80ppg
nylander 263 points in 358 games = .73ppg

if you add in the season before his extension the gap widens and add last season and it gets bigger still
tkachuk has a slightly higher gpg as well.
also im not sure if you care about this stat but hes +114 +/- career while willy is +23 career


so, yeeee his previous years he was slightly better than willy production wise, and plays a more valuable style of hockey imo.

 

[ULF_55]

A couple million less than marner.

 

[Notsince67]

A couple million less than marner.

Assuming like terms? Less that what Marner will get?

 

[notDatsyuk]

I agree, but I don't think any of this will even become relevant. I think it's a virtual certainty that he will resign in Toronto, because management will "cave" and sign him to pretty close to the number he wants. It won't be $10 million, but I think $9.5 is probably around where it ends up. Who knows the number of years, but I bet it will be longer than Matthews contract.

Agree with everything, except that I don't see why giving him $9.5 is 'caving'?

 

[rumman]

He'll have more value to the Team playing out the season than anything he will return.

we don't even know what's been offered (if anything) for 88, fixing the D or obtaining a legit #1 goalie would go a long way in forgetting 88 ever existed especially with the emerging depth of the forwards. I'm not interested in winning a trade, I would like to win a cup before I'm dead though...............