Notsince67
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Well the dumb answer is he is making as much as Kucherov. Thought that reason might look familiar to some people around here.
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Scoring has been the problem and it’s hard to see replacing him with someone who scores more. Sure it could happen but I don’t think it’s likely, it’s fine if you do.
Can any team be successful having 3 players using up 36 or 37 million$ of cap space. (Plus JT)
No team in the NHL would turn down AM, MM, WN as individual players. But can you be successful paying all 3. The other 2 have no trade deals?
Now if JT retires, leaves, vacations on Robidas Island ( not likely with his pride) or agrees to be traded then the situation changes.
So solution is, win Stanley this year, JT says good bye to retire and becomes assistant GM, and WN agrees to play for 11.5m$ on 5 yr agreement after scoring 2 goals in winning game after scoring 57 in season.
No team in the NHL would turn down AM, MM, WN as individual players. But can you be successful paying all 3. The other 2 have no trade deals?
Now if JT retires, leaves, vacations on Robidas Island ( not likely with his pride) or agrees to be traded then the situation changes.
So solution is, win Stanley this year, JT says good bye to retire and becomes assistant GM, and WN agrees to play for 11.5m$ on 5 yr agreement after scoring 2 goals in winning game after scoring 57 in season.
rumman
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I think team compete has more to do with playoff failure than scoring. If the Leafs needed more scoring wouldn't that show itself in the regular season???????
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No argument on needing more compete. I don’t think a high end player is the one you sacrifice for that though.
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True, but a smarter answer would be that Kucherov signed for 11.95% of the cap, but Willy will be signing for only 10.85%, so 10% less?
Looking at cap percentages, did you know that JT signed for 13.84%? Ouch.
rumman
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if the superstars are the ones who disappear in April wouldn't it suggest they are the problem?
notDatsyuk
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Yes, but Willy is the one 'superstar' who doesn't disappear in April (2% drop in production compared to the others in the 20% range).
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Roger that, but 34 just resigned, 16 apparently isn’t going anywhere, can’t move JT, and 88 is on a expiring contract…..
Roger that, but 34 just resigned, can’t move JT, 16 apparently isn’t going anywhere, and 88 is on a expiring contract………
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I'm willing to go up to 9.5M and no higher for Nylander, but only if it comes with an 8-year term like Timo and Aho.
The additional 2.54M on his current contract should be offset by the 4M rise in the cap + Tavares salary either coming off the books entirely or coming down significantly after next season. If Tavares next contract comes in at about the same or under AVV with less term as O'Reilly's, then you have about 6.5M+4M to divide between raises to Marner, Nylander, and whoever else is due by the end of 2024-2025.
The additional 2.54M on his current contract should be offset by the 4M rise in the cap + Tavares salary either coming off the books entirely or coming down significantly after next season. If Tavares next contract comes in at about the same or under AVV with less term as O'Reilly's, then you have about 6.5M+4M to divide between raises to Marner, Nylander, and whoever else is due by the end of 2024-2025.
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Counting those extra cap dollars before they’ve hatch again, talk about optimism………
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I heard somewhere that the cap could be 90mil next season? Was it just the radio talks or is there any truth to that?
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NHL salary cap could increase by at least $4 million in 2023-24 | NHL.com
Contingent upon escrow debt from players being repaid in full by end of season, Commissioner Bettman says
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Thanks, that’s pretty much the AM and Willie’s raise. How can anyone not think the League is helping the Leafs, lol.NHL salary cap could increase by at least $4 million in 2023-24 | NHL.com
Contingent upon escrow debt from players being repaid in full by end of season, Commissioner Bettman says
djdev
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impossible to know, all signs point to it being true, but they said it was supposed to go up this year as well..
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Now compare what the cap % will be for both, assuming an $87 million cap. Note that these contracts will be 2 years apart in starting.
Prior to last season in the playoffs, Tkachuk had 15 points in 27 games. ie - predating his contract.
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you can do the cap if you wish lol, my point has been made i believe.
i dont really wanna pay nylander like a top 20 player when he isnt one. just like i dont believe we should give marner a raise when his contract is up. where hes being paid now is right about where he should be on his next contract given a slight cap increase.
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That's why I put it in quotation marks. I know that many fans will see the final number and perceive it as the team giving in, but the reality is that $9.5 is probably the right number based on the market. There is just a weird thing with Leafs fans where they seem to feel the need to be offended by players' salaries.
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I agree that he's the only one of the four who can be traded, but he also seems to be the one who is the least of the problem.
Hopefully we can manage to keep him until the biggest problem is gone.
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No one is paying 1st and top end prospect for 1 playoff run. ok maybe Kyle Dubas Leafs would, but that's it.
I'm sorry to say, but just because we paid 1st for Foligno, you can't expect 1st and top end prospect for Styles.
Don't get me wrong, Nylander would be worth it with a couple of years on his contract. On expiring contract with Leafs unable to afford him, I don't see the other team doing us any favors. Especially if they can sign him without bleeding out assets on July 1st. *
edit: exactly what we did with JT.
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Completely different. JT kept saying he loved it there and wanted to stay there and would re-sign over the summer and didn't want to talk about it during the season and "oops, free agent time - bye-bye".
I wonder why some Islanders' fans were upset? Nobody here would be mad at Willy if he did the same thing, would they?
I think there’s a very real chance he wants to test Free Agency. He’s a terrific player who can command top dollar, and it’s not like he’s ever been treated that well here. He might want to go somewhere else where he can be The Guy, rather than the afterthought he is here behind M+M.
Impossible to forget that last time around he held out until the last possible minute.
Equally important for the Leafs is if this team actually wants to continue down the path of having more 10m forwards than anyone else. Not like we have anything to show for it. Willy is a great player and it would be a shame to see him somewhere else, but I think management needs to choose between him and Marner and we all know how that’s going to turn out.
I predict that we move him at the deadline if we’re out of a playoff spot (unlikely) or he goes to UFA and we compete with the rest of the league to overpay for his services. This is the Leafs, why would it be any different?
Impossible to forget that last time around he held out until the last possible minute.
Equally important for the Leafs is if this team actually wants to continue down the path of having more 10m forwards than anyone else. Not like we have anything to show for it. Willy is a great player and it would be a shame to see him somewhere else, but I think management needs to choose between him and Marner and we all know how that’s going to turn out.
I predict that we move him at the deadline if we’re out of a playoff spot (unlikely) or he goes to UFA and we compete with the rest of the league to overpay for his services. This is the Leafs, why would it be any different?
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