Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[notDatsyuk]

Highly unlikely a contract extension in Toronto gets done with Nylander. Looks like he has his heels firmly dug in at $10M + a season. The Leafs just don’t have the cap. I also think he does not care where he plays, the money means more to him. He would rather play on the worst team in the nhl and make $11M a season than a contender at $9M aav.

All we really have to go on is his statement, made more than once, that he wants to stay here, and isn't worried about signing before the season starts; and the statement that his opening ask was $10, which usually means the final amount will be less.

 

[Leaf Fans]

All we really have to go on is his statement, made more than once, that he wants to stay here, and isn't worried about signing before the season starts; and the statement that his opening ask was $10, which usually means the final amount will be less.

Where is Nylander's statement about his opening ask?

 

[rumman]

At the right number, I'd keep him. I doubt he wants to leave at this stage in his life and he will give us that IMO.

You never know, if JT resigns at a hometown discount his cost to the Leafs could end up looking like a great deal, time will tell………

 

[Racer88]

IMO the only truly bad contract Dubas is responsible for is Marner. First he backed himself into a corner by publicly saying he wanted to get him signed quickly to avoid the drama that happened with Nylander (really dumb going public with that thought), and the result was that atrocious contract.

People whine about the Tavares contract, but at the time almost everyone was thrilled we signed him.

Other than that, his signings seem fine to me, at least nothing else immediately comes to mind.

Add Foligno, Mrazek, Murray And Tavares Total waste of time contracts.
As fans, many where excited about Tavares at the time but it truly is a bad contracts and it is the GM’s responsibility to know more then the fans about such things.

 

[rumman]

If I had my druthers 88 would have been traded by now for help on the D +, better use of the cap imo………

 

[Gary Nylund]

I was watching Season 2 of the Winning Time, the show about the Lakers Dynasty. When Buss said he is offering those extension to Norms and Cooper before the UFA era begin the NBA. When he was challenged about the high salary numbers by West and he just said, we will look like genius when the UFA eras hit bc players will get more. I am paraphrasing. I could not help but think Dubas or Shanny or both said the same thing a few years ago.

Thanks for the reminder - I'd forgotten about that show and might check out season 2.

To be fair, if not for covid, the contracts for our stars look a look better than they do, hell we might even have won a cup by now.

Add Foligno, Mrazek, Murray And Tavares Total waste of time contracts.
As fans, many where excited about Tavares at the time but it truly is a bad contracts and it is the GM’s responsibility to know more then the fans about such things.

Foligno and Murray were acquired in trades, Dubas didn't negotiate those contracts. I already mentioned Tavares. I agree Mrazek was also bad.

 

[fancy lad]

the Tavares contract is the worst. He is truly overpaid for what he brings to the team and of the big 4, he is noticeably the least impactful.

Yeah i get that fans were happy about the signing, but given that enough time has passed to make an actual judgment on it... well it has not been a roaring success like we all had hoped.

Also let's keep in mind the manner in which Nylander, Marner and Matthews signed their big deals and it was just a really shitty way of getting business done by Dubas.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Add Foligno, Mrazek, Murray And Tavares Total waste of time contracts.
As fans, many where excited about Tavares at the time but it truly is a bad contracts and it is the GM’s responsibility to know more then the fans about such things.

Foligno???

He was in a trade and came with 75% retention, as an expiring UFA. How is that a bad contract?

 

[Notsince67]

These discussions on players contracts are just so illuminating.
Really need to know more about how Mathhews/Marner/Tavares/ insert name here are overpaid and why it is so important for people to state their opinions on the matter over and over again on a thread made for Willy.

 

[Gary Nylund]

These discussions on players contracts are just so illuminating.
Really need to know more about how Mathhews/Marner/Tavares/ insert name here are overpaid and why it is so important for people to state their opinions on the matter over and over again on a thread made for Willy.

If you find these discussions illuminating, then maybe that's your answer right there.

Seriously though, it's still summer time, there's not much Leaf related to talk about, now that Matthews is signed Nylander is understandably the centre of attention and it's also understandable that his contract is viewed within the context of contracts for our other stars.

If all this is unimportant to you, then why are you wasting your time here? I can only assume that nobody is forcing you to be here and you just have nothing better to do. If that's the case, then you should be thankful that people are discussing Leaf related subjects here so you can come here every day and make sarcastic comments about how dumb everyone is compared to you. And if you do have better things to do than go ahead and do them, what's stopping you?

 

[notDatsyuk]

Where is Nylander's statement about his opening ask?

I didn't say it was Nylander's statement, and I've seen it reported more than once.

You never know, if JT resigns at a hometown discount his cost to the Leafs could end up looking like a great deal, time will tell………

The last time he presumably gave us a hometown discount - how well has that worked out?

 

[Evilhomer]

Highly unlikely a contract extension in Toronto gets done with Nylander. Looks like he has his heels firmly dug in at $10M + a season. The Leafs just don’t have the cap. I also think he does not care where he plays, the money means more to him. He would rather play on the worst team in the nhl and make $11M a season than a contender at $9M aav.

Didn't you say all the same stuff about Matthews before he re-signed?

 

[Stephen]

Somehow I keep thinking about the fallout from the Sanderson deal and this puts Toronto into a position to grab a young defender - who won’t be as cost controlled as in the previous cap era. And Nylander could be a factor. Or be impacted by this situation. Just a changes the math on a team being able to stack a Dahlin and Power cheaply.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I didn't say it was Nylander's statement, and I've seen it reported more than once.

It has been rumoured for sure.

 

[Racer88]

Foligno???

He was in a trade and came with 75% retention, as an expiring UFA. How is that a bad contract?

ya I guess we could slot him under the bad move classification

 

[therealkoho]

Or they just offer a front load heavy 6 yrs contract to lower the AVV to JT with the intention that he will retire before the end of that contract

Not so sure of this strategy

 

[therealkoho]

IMO the only truly bad contract Dubas is responsible for is Marner. First he backed himself into a corner by publicly saying he wanted to get him signed quickly to avoid the drama that happened with Nylander (really dumb going public with that thought), and the result was that atrocious contract.

People whine about the Tavares contract, but at the time almost everyone was thrilled we signed him.

Other than that, his signings seem fine to me, at least nothing else immediately comes to mind.

There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't pay Mitch that kind of money, the guy is a jack of all trades and literally plays the entire and complete 200 feet.

The problem, is that the Leafs have too many of those big money contracts. I'm not going to get into who or who isn't overpaid, but atm at least 2 of those contracts are.

 

[therealkoho]

Didn't you say all the same stuff about Matthews before he re-signed?

At that time nobody knew good ol Kyle was backing up the Brinks truck to pay Matthews like he was almost the best player in the league even though he really hadn't done anything to deserve it.

 

[Gary Nylund]

There isn't a team in the league that wouldn't pay Mitch that kind of money, the guy is a jack of all trades and literally plays the entire and complete 200 feet.

The problem, is that the Leafs have too many of those big money contracts. I'm not going to get into who or who isn't overpaid, but atm at least 2 of those contracts are.

IMO that contract's bad in the sense that at the time, I (along with most everybody else) was expecting 9 million, 9.5 tops. Not only did Dubas go way past that, he didn't even get max term.

 

[Notsince67]

Hugely optimistic like I am every year. Optimistic that I will be entertained on most nights and will enjoy the difficult victories...like sports are suppose to. If I absolutely knew they were going to win the cup, I wouldnt watch. If I wasn't routing for players to succeed, I wouldn't watch. If I wanted to sit around and be miserable, I would watch something more productive at that like politics.
The only thing that is miserable going into the season is the insessant noise in this forum of the cadre of misery. I am hopeful that more of the insightful and thoughtful fans re-appear. It's fun talking about sports with people who actually like the sport and cheer the team. It's also kind of fun slamming on the current boneheaded move by a player. Holl will be missed in that regard.
It just aint a lot of fun talking about contracts signed years ago and the personality profiles by the professional psychologists here detailing the psychopathy of geedy players and what their fathers are like.
The season is here boys & girls. I'm psyched
GLG

 

[myleafs]

If you find these discussions illuminating, then maybe that's your answer right there.

Seriously though, it's still summer time, there's not much Leaf related to talk about, now that Matthews is signed Nylander is understandably the centre of attention and it's also understandable that his contract is viewed within the context of contracts for our other stars.

If all this is unimportant to you, then why are you wasting your time here? I can only assume that nobody is forcing you to be here and you just have nothing better to do. If that's the case, then you should be thankful that people are discussing Leaf related subjects here so you can come here every day and make sarcastic comments about how dumb everyone is compared to you. And if you do have better things to do than go ahead and do them, what's stopping you?

 

[therealkoho]

Where is Nylander's statement about his opening ask?

Sometime in June Chris Johnston of TSN after he had spoken to Willie wrote that Will wanted 10m per. I believe you have the internet and possibly Google or Bing you should be able to find it using the key search parameters.

Cheers

 

[therealkoho]

IMO that contract's bad in the sense that at the time, I (along with most everybody else) was expecting 9 million, 9.5 tops. Not only did Dubas go way past that, he didn't even get max term.

The story goes, and this is the last time I'm going to post this, is that in December Mitch said 9m X 8yrs and he signs right now.

Kyle tells him that he's gone over the budget and can't pay him that but will take another look at things in the summer.

Less than two months later Brian comes to town and has his boy sign a 5yrs times 11.6m contract. To say that Mitch is insulted wouldn't be doing the word justice. Which led to the contentious negotiations, had Mitch and Paul not been lifelong Leafers they might have asked for a trade.

 

[therealkoho]

Hugely optimistic like I am every year. Optimistic that I will be entertained on most nights and will enjoy the difficult victories...like sports are suppose to. If I absolutely knew they were going to win the cup, I wouldnt watch. If I wasn't routing for players to succeed, I wouldn't watch. If I wanted to sit around and be miserable, I would watch something more productive at that like politics.
The only thing that is miserable going into the season is the insessant noise in this forum of the cadre of misery. I am hopeful that more of the insightful and thoughtful fans re-appear. It's fun talking about sports with people who actually like the sport and cheer the team. It's also kind of fun slamming on the current boneheaded move by a player. Holl will be missed in that regard.
It just aint a lot of fun talking about contracts signed years ago and the personality profiles by the professional psychologists here detailing the psychopathy of geedy players and what their fathers are like.
The season is here boys & girls. I'm psyched
GLG

I get the level of frustration, because I feel it too, but the salary cap good or bad and the constant reportage has brought the subject into the day to day conversation.

I'm like you in a lot of ways, I grew up in a world littered with The Toronto Telegram, The Globe and Mail The Hockey News and Hockey Illustrated none of which ever mentioned player salaries and the cost of a seat in the golds was $5.75.

Nobody played any hockey in the summer and if we talked sports it was about how the Ticats were playing, or around my house how the Dodgers were doing. The rest of the time was spent either playing ball, delivering my newspaper route and the odd time reading Batman comics.

 

[Gary Nylund]

The story goes, and this is the last time I'm going to post this, is that in December Mitch said 9m X 8yrs and he signs right now.

Kyle tells him that he's gone over the budget and can't pay him that but will take another look at things in the summer.

Less than two months later Brian comes to town and has his boy sign a 5yrs times 11.6m contract. To say that Mitch is insulted wouldn't be doing the word justice. Which led to the contentious negotiations, had Mitch and Paul not been lifelong Leafers they might have asked for a trade.

That doesn't change the fact that the contract Dubas signed him to was an overpayment.

I get the level of frustration, because I feel it too, but the salary cap good or bad and the constant reportage has brought the subject into the day to day conversation.

I'm like you in a lot of ways, I grew up in a world littered with The Toronto Telegram, The Globe and Mail The Hockey News and Hockey Illustrated none of which ever mentioned player salaries and the cost of a seat in the golds was $5.75.

Nobody played any hockey in the summer and if we talked sports it was about how the Ticats were playing, or around my house how the Dodgers were doing. The rest of the time was spent either playing ball, delivering my newspaper route and the odd time reading Batman comics.

When we were kids there was no salary cap so things were just different. The only talk about salaries I remember was when Bobby Hull went to the WHA becoming the first million dollar player (spread over many years of course).

I played (road) hockey in the summer, delivered papers and the Ticats were the hated rival. Cheers!