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[Mess]

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Can the Leafs lock up William Nylander for the future

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[notDatsyuk]

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Nothing particularly new or insightful there. Just the usual "can't have that much money tied up in that few players".

Scary that they think Marner will get $13. That will basically mean we can't sign Willy for a reasonable amount because we are overpaying two others.

If we lose Nylander it will be just one more black mark against Dubas and the Tavares signing.

 

[ULF_55]

Nothing particularly new or insightful there. Just the usual "can't have that much money tied up in that few players".

Scary that they think Marner will get $13. That will basically mean we can't sign Willy for a reasonable amount because we are overpaying two others.

If we lose Nylander it will be just one more black mark against Dubas and the Tavares signing.

If marner is signed before Nylander he's exploring free agency.

I'm okay if they all walk, just the

 

[Dekes For Days]

There is zero evidence then than Nylander wants in excess of 10 by your criteria.

We don't know what Nylander wants, but at least there are actual reports at the time of the negotiation claiming Nylander's initial ask to be around 10m. It should still be taken with a grain of salt, but that's a heck of a lot more than some random on HFboards making a claim with zero evidence a year from now about the negotiations that contradicts everything that was reported at the time.

It's clear that had 8.5mm been presented, there is a high likelihood it would have been accepted.

That's not clear at all. That's pure speculation.

 

[Notsince67]

We don't know what Nylander wants, but at least there are actual reports at the time of the negotiation claiming Nylander's initial ask to be around 10m. It should still be taken with a grain of salt, but that's a heck of a lot more than some random on HFboards making a claim with zero evidence a year from now about the negotiations that contradicts everything that was reported at the time.

That's not clear at all. That's pure speculation.

So I'm speculating that a player who finished the season with 69 points would risk an injury playing the year in hopes of securing a much higher contract?
I think you are speculating that people are idiots here.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This was posted in another thread, worth repeating here IMO. Note the bolded!

I rounded my numbers, but the big 4 over the last 5 years in the playoffs:

Matthews: 18% less points per game in the playoffs vs regular season
Marner: 24% less points per game in the playoffs
Nylander: 2% less points per game in the playoffs
Tavares: 27% less points per game in the playoffs.

Small sample size? Maybe. Level of competition better? Possibly.

 

[thewave]

Nothing particularly new or insightful there. Just the usual "can't have that much money tied up in that few players".

Scary that they think Marner will get $13. That will basically mean we can't sign Willy for a reasonable amount because we are overpaying two others.

If we lose Nylander it will be just one more black mark against Dubas and the Tavares signing.

If we give Marner 13m we arent selling hopes of winning in Toronto. We're selling Jerseys to little kids who want to grow up to skip the dishes.

 

[Notsince67]

If we give Marner 13m we arent selling hopes of winning in Toronto. We're selling Jerseys to little kids who want to grow up to skip the dishes.

If he puts up 120 points, 13mm will be a bargain. From your perspective it would be an overpay at 140 pts

 

[ULF_55]

If he puts up 120 points, 13mm will be a bargain. From your perspective it would be an overpay at 140 pts

Could care less ... just want to see winners.

 

[Racer88]

If we give Marner 13 million and still have have Tavares, Matthews and Nylander we can give up all hope of playoff success.
ya just can’t win with the ridiculous cap distribution and perpetuating it is a fools journey.

Could care less ... just want to see winners.

Unfortunately I don’t think that core group is a winning group

 

[Leaf Army]

I’m not worried about Nylander signing. Pretty confident he’ll sign.

It’s a complicated negotiation. On one hand you have a new GM who needs to establish he won’t be a pushover like the last one was.

On the other hand you have a player in Nylander who probably isn’t thrilled he was paid that much less than Marner for the past few seasons.

So they’re in a bit of a game of chicken. But at the end of the day both sides have a good idea of where this number is going to end up. If Treliving wasn’t comfortable with it Nylander would be gone already.

 

[Mess]

If he puts up 120 points, 13mm will be a bargain. From your perspective it would be an overpay at 140 pts

David Pastrnak just put up 61 goals 113 points and signed for 8 years @ $11.25 mil which is a mere + $350k more than Marner makes now.

How are the Leafs going to re-sign Willy for a normal amount when the talk is Marner @$13 mil when Mitch has for the last 4 years already made +$4 mil more than Nylander?

There is not a $4 mil difference in value between Leafs 2 top wingers.

 

[Leaf Army]

I’m also not worried about tying so much money up into four players

Tavares’s contract is off the books in two years. At that time Marner and Matthews will still only be 28 years old.

Losing Tavares’ contract along with a rising cap means they’ll have enough space to completely revamp the team at that time if they need to. No need to do it sooner. Giving up on Nylander now would be extremely short sighted.

 

[thewave]

If he puts up 120 points, 13mm will be a bargain. From your perspective it would be an overpay at 140 pts

Winning is more important. We need better defenders to do that.

Could care less ... just want to see winners.

That's why I am here. I am with you, lets get on with the winning of a Cup

David Pastrnak just put up 61 goals 113 points and signed for 8 years @ $11.25 mil which is a mere + $350k more than Marner makes now.

How are the Leafs going to re-sign Willy for a normal amount when the talk is Marner @$13 mil when Mitch has for the last 4 years already made +$4 mil more than Nylander?

There is not a $4 mil difference in value between Leafs 2 top wingers.

That's a big part of my point. Matthews is a C and a generational goal scorer. We didn't get robbed blind, it was just expensive but fine.

If we give Marner 13 million and still have have Tavares, Matthews and Nylander we can give up all hope of playoff success.
ya just can’t win with the ridiculous cap distribution and perpetuating it is a fools journey.


Unfortunately I don’t think that core group is a winning group

I don't think the 40million forward core4 works on any team and never will. Just not enough depth and not enough money on D.

 

[Squiffy]

Marner can't get 13, he just can't. 12 tops. I've said it before, double dog dare him to walk. 12 is fair comparing to AM.

 

[Nineteen67]

Is the agenda this week, golf tournament on Monday and Camp on Wednesday and preseason on Sunday?

 

[Racer88]

Marner can't get 13, he just can't. 12 tops. I've said it before, double dog dare him to walk. 12 is fair comparing to AM.

If Marner gets 13 everyone in management from Shanny on down to the guy that orders the popcorn for the concessions should be fired with prejudice

 

[Nineteen67]

If Marner gets 13 everyone in management from Shanny on down to the guy that orders the popcorn for the concessions should be fired with prejudice

The guy that orders the popcorn is paying for it. Can’t fire him or her?

 

[ULF_55]

Really interested to see the top 2 lines this year.

Want to see them made with these players:
Matthews, marner, Nylander, Tavares, Bertuzzi, Domi

Don't care who is on which line, but that's the top talent and should be getting the ice time.

Yeah, I know people want to see Knies in the top 6, but there is no rush.

 

[Racer88]

The guy that orders the popcorn is paying for it. Can’t fire him or her?

Not the customer, but the guy that orders it for MLSE
lol

Really interested to see the top 2 lines this year.

Want to see them made with this players:
Matthews, marner, Nylander, Tavares, Bertuzzi, Domi

Don't care who is on which line, but that's the top talent and should be getting the ice time.

Yeah, I know people want to see Knies in the top 6, but there is no rush.

That makes sense and here’s hoping that Bertuzzi and Domi can lift the other 4 up in the playoffs

 

[Notsince67]

Could care less ... just want to see winners.

Who doesn't?

Could care less ... just want to see winners.

Fantastic. Now do McDavid who played an extra season, won zero cups and has played 1 less playoff game.

David Pastrnak just put up 61 goals 113 points and signed for 8 years @ $11.25 mil which is a mere + $350k more than Marner makes now.

How are the Leafs going to re-sign Willy for a normal amount when the talk is Marner @$13 mil when Mitch has for the last 4 years already made +$4 mil more than Nylander?

There is not a $4 mil difference in value between Leafs 2 top wingers.

Pasta had a career year. Nowhere near the numbers of Marner as a player

 

[Nineteen67]

Not the customer, but the guy that orders it for MLSE
lol


That makes sense and here’s hoping that Bertuzzi and Domi can lift the other 4 up in the playoffs

He’s selling it, so they need him

 

[Stephen]

I’m also not worried about tying so much money up into four players

Tavares’s contract is off the books in two years. At that time Marner and Matthews will still only be 28 years old.

Losing Tavares’ contract along with a rising cap means they’ll have enough space to completely revamp the team at that time if they need to. No need to do it sooner. Giving up on Nylander now would be extremely short sighted.

Yeah, that's the best case scenario for me as well. 2024-25 might be a bump year with the Matthews contract coming online, Samsonov due for a raise, Nylander due for a raise, some combination of Bertuzzi, Domi and Klingberg re-signed...

But once Tavares is off the books, whatever his salary was shifts to cover the Nylander raise and a chunk of the Marner raise. With the cap increasing, we can grab a defenseman... if we don't keep Nylander or Tavares, I assume we can sign one high end D and also go Pettersson, Draisaitl hunting as well.

The other scenario to consider is what if Knies looks like a superstar right out of the gate? Obviously this is a far fetched scenario and would be a godsend, but if he's due a $7+ million raise on his next contract, does it make moving on from Nylander a more comfortable, inevitable decision?

 

[notDatsyuk]

If marner is signed before Nylander he's exploring free agency.

I'm okay if they all walk, just the

Can Mitch sign an extension before Willy's current contract expires?

 

[Arzak]

Who doesn't?
Fantastic. Now do McDavid who played an extra season, won zero cups and has played 1 less playoff game.


Pasta had a career year. Nowhere near the numbers of Marner as a player

Good one. Marner had career year

Even if we forget his 61 goals and 113 points ( something Marner will never sniff at).

How is goal-challenged winger comparable to a Rocket winner? Pasta can win it all, Marner is now the favorite for Selke because Bergeron retired...


On the other hand, this is what we can expect from you Paul from now on.

Mitch looking for $13M so we better start pretending he is better than Pasta now!
Marner logic at it's best.