Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ToneDog]

Cap rising $4m next year. If my math is correct Matty and Willie get $6.216m in raises so we will have $2.216m less to fill out the roster. Go get 'em Tre.

 

[djdev]

so build your team like how my son plays Xbox. How do you plan to get any 11 mil combo you wish just because you have the cap space

Lol wait this stack is impossible. Reinhart getting paid.

again..."put towards"

 

[Matthews4Calder]

He’s been great these past years. Probably deserves top or even franchise player money on any other team but we have Matthews and Marner taking up a lot of long term cap once Marner gets his extension.

Tavares comes off after next year so you could argue Nylander is just replacing Tavares and hopefully JT takes home town discount end of career contract.

It’s doable, but the end game is winning in playoffs, if you had to pick your best playoff performer between Marner (whom I love in regular season) and Nylander, I’d have to go with Nylander. I wish Marner could figure it out in playoffs.

I guess we will have this years playoffs to give this the core a last chance to win together in the playoffs before committing to Marner or Tavares.
Someone has to go, coach and/ or a couple of Nylander Marner Tavares to retool. Nylander’s great play has made it complicated as to who you sacrifice for change.

JT won't be making anywhere near what he is now. Kopitar signed a 2 year extension that kicks in after this season for 14 million. You can argue who you'd rather have but wouldn't give him anymore than 7 and because of his skating I think you offer less or say see you later.

 

[djdev]

our management after willy regresses to the mean next year and marner has a great season...

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

again..."put towards"

Again...this isn't Xbox. You have no idea what stack you'll actually get and in today's NHL you will most like be underwhelmed. You're not going to fill it up good.

That 3-5 mil tier is very foggy. If a player is actually worth 3 mil for true, it's a Kerfoot. If they're underpaid like Reinhart the true stack costs 14-16 mil instead for long term planning.

it's not forgivable that the core only has knies as elc cap hit help in 2024 either. Maybe we can get lucky and get some hits before Matthews goes fully bald.

 

[NMacrules]

You can't win with a team built like this. You need talented depth. You can't round out your roster year after year with $800,000 dollar guys. We have 4 Ferrari's and 10 Chevettes, 7 Astra's and 2 bicycles. Lets see if we can go win the Dakar rally with those cars.

 

[pspot]

Boston has a tradition of top players taking and less and also a tradition of winning

Chicken or egg argument I guess

As for the leafs …teams with mediocre d and g don’t win . But most teams don’t win and this is entertainment

 

[ToneDog]

You can't win with a team built like this. You need talented depth. You can't round out your roster year after year with $800,000 dollar guys. We have 4 Ferrari's and 10 Chevettes, 7 Astra's and 2 bicycles. Lets see if we can go win the Dakar rally with those cars.

Problem is the regular season is mostly racing time trials and the playoffs are a smash up derby.

 

[djdev]

Again...this isn't Xbox. You have no idea what stack you'll actually get and in today's NHL you will most like be underwhelmed. You're not going to fill it up good.

That 3-5 mil tier is very foggy. If a player is actually worth 3 mil for true, it's a Kerfoot. If they're underpaid like Reinhart the true stack costs 14-16 mil instead for long term planning.

it's not forgivable that the core only has knies as elc cap hit help in 2024 either. Maybe we can get lucky and get some hits before Matthews goes fully bald.

please stop saying "xbox" and "stack" lol

at the end of the day, paying nylander more than pastrnak is going to be a microcosm of how we will never have enough depth to win it all.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

You can't win with a team built like this. You need talented depth. You can't round out your roster year after year with $800,000 dollar guys. We have 4 Ferrari's and 10 Chevettes, 7 Astra's and 2 bicycles. Lets see if we can go win the Dakar rally with those cars.

The talented depth is out there we for some reason never aggressive for it and go with figure skaters.

Even a Hagel trade type would have fit in nice on our build if we didn't throw assets away on other random things instead. Nice young cheap guy to put in top 6 to help our core that is now better than Tampa core.

Tampa has struck gold 2 mil combine for Goodrow and Coleman.

We need another Benoit finding but a tier or 2 better than Benoit. 2 mil or less but play like worth 5 mil in playoffs.

Not 2 mil or less Buntings who play like they're worth 750k in playoffs.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Boston has a tradition of top players taking and less and also a tradition of winning

Chicken or egg argument I guess

As for the leafs …teams with mediocre d and g don’t win . But most teams don’t win and this is entertainment

boston has one title in the last 50 years

"a tradition of winning" wtf

 

[DitchMarner]

Seems like an overpayment, but if the Leafs win just one Cup in those eight years, will anyone care about anything else that happens?

Personally, I've been saying since the CLB series that having four forwards taking up so much of the cap probably isn't a recipe for success. We'll see what happens with Tavares - maybe having three very high-priced forwards can work out if they let him walk when his contract expires.

 

[Hoglund4MvP]

please stop saying "xbox" and "stack" lol

at the end of the day, paying nylander more than pastrnak is going to be a microcosm of how we will never have enough depth to win it all.

It's simply not true. The depth moves are out there. Players play 5x worth their cap hits every playoffs we just never go for those players for some reason. We like old veterans for locker room speeches and depth who plays 1 mil worth or less

 

[Strangle]

Who really cares what happens when he's in his 30s after 2 more years of Nylander @ 8 mil.

I care

We can’t really afford an $11-$12m per player who scores anything less than 110 points per, over the course of the entire contract

 

[Drytoast]

our management after willy regresses to the mean next year and marner has a great season...

"no no no. DIG UP, stupid!"

So perfect.

 

[NMacrules]

Problem is the regular season is mostly racing time trials and the playoffs are a smash up derby.

Thats a great analogy.

 

[Strangle]

Doesn't that train of thought run counter to your point that it's the name on the front, not the back?

If the Leafs win the Cup, I could care less who is on the roster

100%

I don’t care what players are on the team when the win a cup. I’ll celebrate them until the end of time once they win.

I’ve had to say goodbye to many great players, saying goodbye to a Marner or Nylander to improve other areas of the team won’t even make me break my stride.

I’ve watched Luongo and Rask go on to have hall of fame careers that could have helped the leafs win a cup.

Jesus, I said goodbye to wendel. You think I’m going to lose any sleep over these guys? Nah

 

[djdev]

It's simply not true. The depth moves are out there. Players play 5x worth their cap hits every playoffs we just never go for those players for some reason. We like old veterans for locker room speeches and depth who plays 1 mil worth or less

lol we go after those players because we dont have the space for impact players after the "core 4" divvy up their share of the team cap. expecting to find players that "play 5x worth their cap" with the available money we have left over is completely unrealistic.

 

[DraftSchmaft]

I care

We can’t really afford an $11-$12m per player who scores anything less than 110 points per, over the course of the entire contract

So you agree with me then...


We shouldn't have had to worry about Nylander period. He should be locked up for 2 more years @ 8 mil if our GM didn't decide to make an example out of him. Bends over backwards for Marner though.

If he wants 11 mil @ 30-31 years old we tell him to F off. But realistically it would be less than 11 if he got his 8x8 from Dubas.

Nylander situation is a fail that started since previous regime. We even threw that playoffs away in a sense if you consider Nylander was a shadow of himself due to sitting out.

The Nylander day 1 fans knew this guy would be worth more than 8 mil near the end of the 8 year contract. Genius GM should have easily seen it too. He had Panarin type play in his prime written all over him

 

[Strangle]

Willy better not get a NMC

Marner better not get a NMC

 

[NMacrules]

boston has one title in the last 50 years

"a tradition of winning" wtf

Yea but they won 3 cups from 53 years ago. 1970, 1972 and 2011. Thats 3 more than the leafs won.

 

[Stephen]

Again...this isn't Xbox. You have no idea what stack you'll actually get and in today's NHL you will most like be underwhelmed. You're not going to fill it up good.

That 3-5 mil tier is very foggy. If a player is actually worth 3 mil for true, it's a Kerfoot. If they're underpaid like Reinhart the true stack costs 14-16 mil instead for long term planning.

it's not forgivable that the core only has knies as elc cap hit help in 2024 either. Maybe we can get lucky and get some hits before Matthews goes fully bald.

The $3-$5 million salary range feels like a danger zone for free agent signings. Seems like you're just as likely to catch someone falling out of the middle class, a mercenary, buy a name on reputation as much as you are getting production to match dollar value.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Cap rising $4m next year. If my math is correct Matty and Willie get $6.216m in raises so we will have $2.216m less to fill out the roster. Go get 'em Tre.

Getting rid of Kampf would put us back to square one.

 

[KPower]

I'll be sleeping like a baby knowing Matthews and Nylander are signed.

You’re a fan of players, not the team.

Strange but there’s a lot like you.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Yea but they won 3 cups from 53 years ago. 1970, 1972 and 2011. Thats 3 more than the leafs won.

I'm not saying the Leafs have won more, describing this Bruins team as having a "tradition of winning" when they've won once in the modern league is stupid