Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ToneDog]

You can blame MLSE or MM and AM along with JT for this mess. Willy isn't going to be the chump again this time. I don't blame him. We had a chance to reset this shit with AM this summer and he did what he did...again...so no chance Willy is going to be reasonable after seeing that.

Besides...any money that Willy would leave on the table would just be scooped up by Mitchy anyways.

Said it before. I'd trade him before I paid him $10m. Leafs now entertaining $11+m. LOL.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Crazy how fast the Leafs front office is lining up to pay Nylander 11M+ x 8 because they're scared of him hitting UFA.

Meanwhile, there's no pressure on UFA Sam Reinhart in Florida who's also leading their team in scoring, is a centre, and having a career year. Just had a hat trick today also - 50 points and 28 goals in 39 games.

great observation that there's more pressure in the Toronto market than Florida. That's the difference between an area that DGAF about hockey and one where people live and die by the sport with multiple daily media shows dedicated to analyzing and projecting every minute roster change

I'd say if there's anyone in the Leafs front office that is feeling pressure it's probably the GM who already famously lost a star to free agency. I don't think he wants to be known as the guy who can't keep his players, so for better or worse I think he's very motivated to get something done here

 

[ToneDog]

great observation that there's more pressure in the Toronto market than Florida. That's the difference between an area that DGAF about hockey and one where people live and die by the sport with multiple daily media shows dedicated to analyzing and projecting every minute roster change

I'd say if there's anyone in the Leafs front office that is feeling pressure it's probably the GM who already famously lost a star to free agency. I don't think he wants to be known as the guy who can't keep his players, so for better or worse I think he's very motivated to get something done here

Probably the same reason he caved to Matty only wanting a 4 year deal.

 

[Menzinger]

I completely agree. Trades are also an option. Good players on good contracts like Bjorkstrand, Burns, Marino, Pacioretty, Niederreiter were moved for far below their value in the past few years. Treliving's FA record does give me pause but there are plenty of avenues to spend cap space wisely for a competent manager.

Personally I don't particularly trust Tre with free agency or trades yet. Which isnwhy I'd rather have him stick to making peripheral changes in the edges of the lineup

 

[leafsfan5]

Sam Reinhart with a hat trick today, he moves into 2nd in the league in goals (28) and 6th in points (50). He is 1 point behind William Nylander

Surely he will be getting 11+ as well

 

[ULF_55]

Sam Reinhart with a hat trick today, he moves into 2nd in the league in goals (28) and 6th in points (50). He is 1 point behind William Nylander

Surely he will be getting 11+ as well

Reinhart
Only plays a little more than half his games in Florida.
On $5mm

Florida tax - $1,932,978
Ontario tax - - $2,643,876

So he only has to get $10.3mm

 

[ToneDog]

Sam Reinhart with a hat trick today, he moves into 2nd in the league in goals (28) and 6th in points (50). He is 1 point behind William Nylander

Surely he will be getting 11+ as well

No way, he'll settle for 9.5m because of the weather and lower taxes in Florida. Meanwhile in Toronto Willie has to put up with the cold weather, higher taxes, the nasty media, pressure from the fans and the risk of having to ride the TTC to work.

 

[Menzinger]

In Florida there's zero pressure from fans and media

You can spend the entire offseason/season at the pool, golf course or fishing boat

And then there's the taxes.

They'll always have an advantage when it comes to contracts. There's no use getting frustrated at it anymore

 

[Divine]

great observation that there's more pressure in the Toronto market than Florida. That's the difference between an area that DGAF about hockey and one where people live and die by the sport with multiple daily media shows dedicated to analyzing and projecting every minute roster change

I'd say if there's anyone in the Leafs front office that is feeling pressure it's probably the GM who already famously lost a star to free agency. I don't think he wants to be known as the guy who can't keep his players, so for better or worse I think he's very motivated to get something done here

The part you ignored is the fans (or media) doesn't sign the players. If the fans and media pressure the GM into overpaying players, we need new GM's. You can post to your heart's content and it wouldn't affect me one bit if I was GM.

I'd rather go for Reinhart than Nylander if we get a discount. He plays centre, is the better goalscorer, and way more physical. Nylander also plays with the better offensive system and players and is allowed to cheat defense for points way more than Reinhart.

 

[IPS]

Reinhart
Only plays a little more than half his games in Florida.
On $5mm

Florida tax - $1,932,978
Ontario tax - - $2,643,876

So he only has to get $10.3mm

what kind of sponorship deals does a player get as a Florida Panther?

 

[TheDoldrums]

I'd rather go for Reinhart than Nylander if we get a discount. He plays centre, is the better goalscorer, and way more physical.

I don't think Reinhart is an option. Tough to get guys to want to leave Florida. And if he does leave he's probably chasing the biggest bag and bad teams with more cap space will be able to offer more.

 

[Divine]

I don't think Reinhart is an option. Tough to pull guys out of Florida. And if he does leave he's probably chasing the biggest bag and bad teams with more cap space will be able to offer more.

If the Leafs are throwing around the same money they throw at their own stars no one is outbidding them.

The Leafs are about to have 4 of the top 10 highest cap hits in the league, out of 32 teams.

 

[ULF_55]

If the Leafs are throwing around the same money they throw at their own stars, no one is outbidding them.

The Leafs are about to have 4 of the top 10 highest cap hits in the league, out of 32 teams.

How does that change if they give those millions to another player?

 

[Divine]

How does that change if they give those millions to another player?

They are better players than ours. We overrate our players.

No one outside of this market will give Nylander 11M if the Leafs let him walk. Aho couldn't even get 10M. Gaudreau couldn't even get 10M. Tkachuk couldn't even get 10M.

When the Leafs let the players go to market, the players will realize the Leafs were the highest bidder anyway. The Leafs try to outbid themselves.

 

[TheDoldrums]

They are better players than ours. We overrate our players.

No one outside of this market will give Nylander 11M if the Leafs let him walk.

Washington would give him that in a second if they could. Getting talent is the toughest part, we take it for granted because it's been awhile since we've lacked it.

 

[Divine]

Washington would give him that in a second if they could. Getting talent is the toughest part, we take it for granted because it's been awhile since we've lacked it.

No they wouldn't. I'm sure his agent would say they would though.

Nylander would be only the second UFA to make over 11M after leaving his team, after Panarin who was much better.

 

[ULF_55]

They are better players than ours. We overrate our players.

No one outside of this market will give Nylander 11M if the Leafs let him walk. Aho couldn't even get 10M. Gaudreau couldn't even get 10M. Tkachuk couldn't even get 10M.

When the Leafs let the players go to market, the players will realize the Leafs were the highest bidder anyway. The Leafs try to outbid themselves.

Leafs don't have to re-sign Tavares or marner either.

 

[TheDoldrums]

No they wouldn't.

Well it seems we're at an impasse with an impossible to prove hypothetical. All I'll say is there have been Caps fans on the trade board who suggested the same thing.

 

[Divine]

Well it seems we're at an impasse with an impossible to prove hypothetical. All I'll say is there have been Caps fans on the trade board who suggested the same thing.

Panarin was the only UFA to get 11M from another team. Panarin was much better than Nylander when he got that.

Leafs don't have to re-sign Tavares or marner either.

They'd have to replace them. When Marner outplays Nylander (if he's here) next year as he usually does - is Treliving going to feel more comfortable letting a player walk for some reason?

 

[Stephen]

Crazy how fast the Leafs front office is lining up to pay Nylander 11M+ x 8 because they're scared of him hitting UFA.

Meanwhile, there's no pressure on UFA Sam Reinhart in Florida who's also leading their team in scoring, is a centre, and having a career year. Just had a hat trick today also - 50 points and 28 goals in 39 games.

Florida’s investment in Reinhart isn’t the same as ours with Nylander. Nylander is one of the foundational draft picks from 2014. Reinhart was acquired for something like the ROR package.

Plus they could lose Reinhart to free agency, fall back into obscurity and it wouldn’t be a big story in hockey.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Nylander is a very good player and he’ll get paid somewhere. But how the Leafs can hold on to 4 players making 10 Mil plus in a salary cap world and round out the rest of team with enough talent to win a Stanley Cup to me at least , doesn’t seem realistic.

Usually the answer from the naysayers to that line of thinking is that the salary cap will increase enough that the contract value will be lower in real terms. But the problem with that argument is that all players by then will be making more as well.

I believe, at some point, the Leafs are going to have to trade one or two of these big contracts and add more talent throughout the lineup to win a cup.

 

[notdoneyet]

Washington would give him that in a second if they could. Getting talent is the toughest part, we take it for granted because it's been awhile since we've lacked it.

Then let him go to Washington and he can help them get better over the next 6 years

 

[capfit9]

Wouldn't be surprised if Doobler is colluding in the background to put the screws to MLSE, there's a reason he hasn't signed Guentzel.

 

[arso40]

I replied to a poster earlier in the thread who said "You'd be surprised how many bottom feeders want a player like Nylander for nothing but cap" to which I countered with what Gaudreau signed for in Columbus and I never did get a response to it.

So we wait Nylander out, and nobody offers him north of what we're allegedly going to pay him - then what? Is he going to sign with another team out of spite or is he going to swallow his pride and re-sign with us because there's no other team he's going to make more money with - even if we don't drastically overpay him.

We have a powerful bit of leverage we're not using - the money is in Toronto, and if you're a pretty face with some charisma you have sponsorship deals out the anus.

It’s crazy just imagine the view point of nylander as soon as it’s his time to cash in there’s all this complaining about the cap being the same person that got paid 6$ and still getting 10+ Million worth of blame to share now he wants his share of the pie cause that’s the team that was built around him and now it’s a problem

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

Not sure if it's been mentioned but Ryan Whitney said on Spittin Chiclets that he heard Willy's dad is pushing him to hold out for more than that reported 11.25M number. Wouldn't surprise me with his Dad's history and Willy's last holdout.