Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[thewave]

If Willie signs for $11.25m, the 4 forwards will take $46.393m of a projected $87.7m cap. That is 53% of the cap. Of course some will tell you it will be easy to fill in the rest of the roster. Just don't waste cap space on Sammy, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Domi.

Spoiler alert, when the cap rises UFAs become more expensive. The only guys giving you a discount are local boys near the end of their careers who want to play close to their families. Looking forward to Petro signing here when he becomes a UFA in 27/28.

And that's a very Toronto thing to do. We give contracts to old guys and it never pans out for us.

Add: There is absolutely a time to make an old team though. It's right before the rebuild. You sell off all your tradeable assets for the best picks you can get a couple years down the line and some top prospects. Then you fill it in with the best old guys you can get to come to your team for short term.

That's about it.

 

[ToneDog]

Agree that LA would pass.

Lindholm has 25 points in 38 games this year. He had 64 points last year. Giving him $9.5M would seem like a far more substantial overpay than anything that's been discussed with Nylander.

He turned down $9m from Calgary. Maybe he takes less from Tre just to get out of Calgary.

Even so, pick a UFA and two blue chippers and at the end of the day it is 3 pieces for one, and two are cheap for a few more years.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Where do you factor in the pieces you get in return for Nylander? What about the defenseman in UFA? The Leafs could very well bring in Roy (4.5M)+Toffoli (5M)+Dickinson (2.5M)+Foegele(2M) for the price of Nylander(11.25)+Timmins(1.1)+Gregor(.8)+McMann(.8) and whatever pieces Nylander returns in a trade ideally on ELC's.

That makes the team much much much worse. Theyre not trading Nylander, so there is no return.. which still would be better than the dogs breakfast you suggested a few years ago, or in this comment. Have you watched Toffoli? He’s washed.

 

[rumman]

But he says he wants to stay and nobody can pay him more. If he wants to win, why squeeze every cent?

 

[Sypher04]

If Willie signs for $11.25m, the 4 forwards will take $46.393m of a projected $87.7m cap. That is 53% of the cap. Of course some will tell you it will be easy to fill in the rest of the roster. Just don't waste cap space on Sammy, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Domi.

Spoiler alert, when the cap rises UFAs become more expensive. The only guys giving you a discount are local boys near the end of their careers who want to play close to their families. Looking forward to Petro signing here when he becomes a UFA in 27/28.

It is doable, but no one should be claiming it’ll be easy. Pridham is gonna earn every dollar of his pay next offseason.

 

[TMLAM34]

It’s doable with a goaltending tandem of Woll and Jones.

 

[Nylanderthal]

If Willie signs for $11.25m, the 4 forwards will take $46.393m of a projected $87.7m cap. That is 53% of the cap. Of course some will tell you it will be easy to fill in the rest of the roster. Just don't waste cap space on Sammy, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Domi.

Spoiler alert, when the cap rises UFAs become more expensive. The only guys giving you a discount are local boys near the end of their careers who want to play close to their families. Looking forward to Petro signing here when he becomes a UFA in 27/28.

Rising tides do not raise all boats equally in this scenario, yet again the mushy middle and bottom tier guys will get squeezed because you need your star players in order to even have a punchers chance.
Also 11/10 yoh overpay the elite talent by a few hundred K than get saddled with bad deals like we see a lot of the time in that middle tier of FA

 

[ToneDog]

It is doable, but no one should be claiming it’ll be easy. Pridham is gonna earned every dollar of his pay next offseason.

It will not be mainly Pridham, it will be the people who decide who to sign and for how much. If they miss on UFAs, we are done and we do not have a 1st thanks to you know who.

 

[rumman]

It really is ironic that having too many talented players is their problem but unfortunately, all of those really talented players are at the forward position (unless you want to include Rielly too and maybe we should). It's not talent or development they lack, it's balance and it's so obvious now I'm surprised anyone would disagree. I really, really like Nylander but he just happens to be the one guy they have a little control over. It's not personal, they need to do what's best for the team and another $11M forward is not what's best for the team.

Talented yes, winners not so much……..

 

[TMLAM34]

It will not be mainly Pridham, it will be the people who decide who to sign and for how much. If they miss on UFAs, we are done and we do not have a 1st thanks to you know who.

You’re not going to miss the playoffs having Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Tavares and Rielly on the roster. Unfortunately I don’t expect them to win it all either.

 

[thewave]

It is doable, but no one should be claiming it’ll be easy. Pridham is gonna earned every dollar of his pay next offseason.

It's not doable. Not at all.

Dubas blew all our best picks on augmentations and skunked the prime years of our Maple Leafs mini Miracle picks. If this was some corporate environment with integrity and that were responsible to their shareholders, heads would have rolled all the way back the MTL series.

It's a total joke that anyone thinks you can NICKEL and DIME a legit #1 Tender + Top10 D-Core.

 

[ToneDog]

It’s doable with a goaltending tandem of Woll and Jones.

Quite the gamble for a team that thinks it can win a SC.

 

[rumman]

LA probably won't but would you do Nylander @ 50% retained for Byfield and Clarke and then sign Tre's buddy Lindholm for $9.5x7?

In a New York minute………

 

[leafsfan5]

we made our bed in 2019 and the ramifications have destroyed this team

Of course Nylander is fighting for every penny right now. When AM34 was up for extensions he took us to the woodshed. When MM16 was up for an extension he did the same. It's the standard that has been set for core members

Morgan Rielly is the only one to take a discount

 

[rumman]

He turned down $9m from Calgary. Maybe he takes less from Tre just to get out of Calgary.

Even so, pick a UFA and two blue chippers and at the end of the day it is 3 pieces for one, and two are cheap for a few more years.

 

[leafsfan5]

Quite the gamble for a team that thinks it can win a SC.

If we sign Nylander to this deal we're not coming close to a cup, we'll be fighting for playoffs

The Nylander deal will be a play to have Matthews/Marner/Nylander making 11+ in a rising cap environment and hope that can somehow work

 

[TMLAM34]

Unfortunately it looks like we’ll be going with the core four for the foreseeable future. We basically have to wait until JT’s contract is off our hands.

 

[ToneDog]

we made our bed in 2019 and the ramifications have destroyed this team

Of course Nylander is fighting for every penny right now. When AM34 was up for extensions he took us to the woodshed. When MM16 was up for an extension he did the same. It's the standard that has been set for core members

Morgan Rielly is the only one to take a discount

If you are a player making 10% of what the so called big 4 are making, are you gonna go through a wall when they see these 4 guys wilt in spring? Doubt it. Say what you will about ROR, but IMO he knew his best move was not to sign here.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It’s really quite simple math. Do you like Willy and whoever next years Gregor or Benoit end up being. Or two $6m players. I know what I want.
Looking at this years FA those are probably guys like Tyler Myers or Toffoli, teravainen, Tanev, marshessault etc. Even if you spend bigger in one spot and a bit less in the other and open yourself up to FA’s like stamkos guentzel or reinhart you’ve just created a shittier core 4.

Re-sign Willy, figure out the rest. If Tavares doesn’t want to immediately sign the Bergeron extension this summer to create cap space you dump Marner and retool around shifting that asset.

I get Mitch has a NMC but he also has incredibly thin skin and if the team outright says we don’t want you going forward I can’t see a guy like that wanting to stick it out the entire year where he’s uncomfortable and the team has already made its choice in Willy over him, which is how him and Paul will see that.


You win hockey games by scoring more than your opponent so pardon me for putting a premium on a guy who creates goals at a rate very few other players can touch.

Among forwards, over the last 4+ seasons he's 14th in goals and 20th in points.

Over the last 3+ seasons, he's 17th in goals and points.

Over the last 2+ seasons he's 14th in goals and 15th in points.

Over the last 1+ seasons he's 9th in goals and 13th is points.

If Willie signs for $11.25m, the 4 forwards will take $46.393m of a projected $87.7m cap. That is 53% of the cap. Of course some will tell you it will be easy to fill in the rest of the roster. Just don't waste cap space on Sammy, Klingberg, Reaves, Bertuzzi, Domi.

Spoiler alert, when the cap rises UFAs become more expensive. The only guys giving you a discount are local boys near the end of their careers who want to play close to their families. Looking forward to Petro signing here when he becomes a UFA in 27/28.

Nothing there that I didn't know or agree with. I can hardly wait for JT to retire.

 

[ToneDog]

Among forwards, over the last 4+ seasons he's 14th in goals and 20th in points.

Over the last 3+ seasons, he's 17th in goals and points.

Over the last 2+ seasons he's 14th in goals and 15th in points.

Over the last 1+ seasons he's 9th in goals and 13th is points.


Nothing there that I didn't know or agree with. I can hardly wait for JT to retire.

Pasta (is first in goals and ahead of Willie in assists. Willie has been great but he is still not worth Pasta money IMO. The Leafs will continue to do what they do best, (double down on this core and) fail to win a SC.

Pasta:

84 goals and 82 assists

Willie

59 goals and 77 assists.

One is worth $11.25m. One is not.

 

[Americanadian]

That makes the team much much much worse. Theyre not trading Nylander, so there is no return.. which still would be better than the dogs breakfast you suggested a few years ago

Your username checks out.

Have you watched Toffoli? He’s washed.

The guy with 34 goals last year on pace for 35 this year all while being a positive defensive player? I must have missed the part where he's washed.

 

[Americanadian]

sounds terrible. Just sign Roy to replace Brodie and keep our star forward instead of spending his money on Toffoli and a couple journeymen to give ourselves a 4th line making $7M

We're talking money in money out in a Nylander situation. If you replace Brodie with Roy you still have holes in the D unless McCabe-Liljegren is your 2nd pair.

Dickinson+Foegele are 3rd liners. Good 3rd liners.

I think you missed the point of my post: if you aren't spending 11.25M on Nylander you can spread that money on upgrades throughout the lineup.

LA probably won't but would you do Nylander @ 50% retained for Byfield and Clarke and then sign Tre's buddy Lindholm for $9.5x7?

I'm not sure LA would do either of those pieces straight up for a rental Nylander.

 

[andora]

Your username checks out.

The guy with 34 goals last year on pace for 35 this year all while being a positive defensive player? I must have missed the part where he's washed.

He has looked washed for years.. cause hes boring and isnt fast but keeps scoring

:edit - my opinion is he is not washed

 

[Americanadian]

He has looked washed for years.. cause hes boring and isnt fast but keeps scoring

:edit - my opinion is he is not washed

He's the perfect positive value UFA contract candidate.

 

[ToneDog]

We're talking money in money out in a Nylander situation. If you replace Brodie with Roy you still have holes in the D unless McCabe-Liljegren is your 2nd pair.

Dickinson+Foegele are 3rd liners. Good 3rd liners.

I think you missed the point of my post: if you aren't spending 11.25M on Nylander you can spread that money on upgrades throughout the lineup.


I'm not sure LA would do either of those pieces straight up for a rental Nylander.

Willie has to agree to extend. Willie and LA is a match made in heaven.