Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Dekes For Days]

And Perron > McDavid, this proves nothing.
McDavid looks overpaid here.

And on top of missing context and all information beyond raw point production, it's also an intentionally incomplete list to put our players at the top. There are 192 players that fit his criteria (that also seemed to be specifically designed to create a result), and many were more expensive per point. He cherry picked out 20, and then excluded Perron (which appeared on his original list) because it showed how ridiculous the whole exercise was.

 

[notbias]

@ToneDog was curious based on the other list I had posted, so I provided it. Sorry your heroes didn't come out looking so good on this one.

Perron is #1, right? Or is there a league min player who is destroying McDavid?

I'd be curious to see the list of top producers per $.

We should bring back Amadio 76k per point last playoffs, easily the reason Vegas one.

 

[egd27]

I'd be curious to see the list of top producers per $.

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[egd27]

And on top of missing context and all information beyond raw point production, it's also an intentionally incomplete list to put our players at the top. There are 192 players that fit his criteria (that also seemed to be specifically designed to create a result), and many were more expensive per point. He cherry picked out 20, and then excluded Perron (which appeared on his original list) because it showed how ridiculous the whole exercise was.

First list criteria - Last 4 post seasons / Minimum 20 GP / Forwards Only (Top 20 ppg plus JT at 43)
Second list - same players / ppg * 30 games (16, 34, 88 played 30) / 22-23 AAV / Top 20 sorted

Just a couple of lists based on recent post season ppg, not trying to "prove" anything. Seems like it only offended a couple of posters

 

[notbias]

First list criteria - Last 4 post seasons / Minimum 20 GP / Forwards Only (Top 20 ppg plus JT at 43)
Second list - same players / ppg * 30 games (16, 34, 88 played 30) / 22-23 AAV / Top 20 sorted

Just a couple of lists based on recent post season ppg, not trying to "prove" anything. Seems like it only offended a couple of posters

missing #21, Perron, who has the best contract on that list apparently.

No one is offended, some people just think it is a useless list because it shows almost nothing.

There is some value in it, but it is close to 0.

You also used a cap hit for lots of guys that didn't exist during their playoff performances (not blaming you, I know it is too much work to go through each season), which makes it even more useless.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Any reports on what kind of term both sides are looking for?

 

[egd27]

missing #21, Perron, who has the best contract on that list apparently.

No one is offended, some people just think it is a useless list because it shows almost nothing.

There is some value in it, but it is close to 0.

yes...... #21 is outside the Top 20 but since you and your buddy seem so interested, his number is $148,438.

No, there is no value in it, just an offseason distraction. Shame how the Leafs ended up top 3.

 

[notbias]

yes...... #21 is outside the Top 20 but since you and your buddy seem so interested, his number is $148,438.

No, there is no value in it, just an offseason distraction. Shame how the Leafs ended up top 3.

Why does it matter if they ended up top 3 if there is no value in it?

Panarin appears to have the worst contract if people care about it, he beats Tavares - $579,247

There may be some others too, but too lazy to go through it all, Matthews/Marner would be way further down the list though, Tavares still may be #2.

Here is a random fun one, the terrible trade we made, and a player that a lot of this forum wants back, Mason Marchment, would be second on that list.

Just looking at PPG over the timeframe provided, our players are doing a lot better than some notable names - Tkachuk, Stone, Barkov, Aho, Robertson, Hintz, Stamkos, Hyman (even while racking up points with McDavid), Bergeron, Suzuki, Barzal, Lindholm, Svechnikov, Caufield, Fiala... I really don't think our players are as bad as people think in the playoffs.

 

[Dekes For Days]

First list criteria - Last 4 post seasons / Minimum 20 GP / Forwards Only (Top 20 ppg plus JT at 43)
Second list - same players / ppg * 30 games (16, 34, 88 played 30) / 22-23 AAV / Top 20 sorted
Just a couple of lists based on recent post season ppg, not trying to "prove" anything.

So you picked out a handful of the best raw producers per game over a specifically chosen playoff sample, and excluded all others that fit your criteria (except the Leaf players) and would rank worse in points per cap hit, and then took only those specific players (except Perron, conveniently excluded), extrapolated their production to 30 games, and compared their raw extrapolated production to cap hits from one specific year that doesn't match the previously chosen sample. All to "prove" absolutely nothing with a specifically manufactured result that you seem to be suggesting means something. Ok then...

 

[Notsince67]

The best part is we are locked for TOP 3 $$ per puck for at least the next two years! GJ Kyle

Please do goals per $$$, I bet Mitch will be numero uno this time!

Why not pick the Goalie. You can get off on that

 

[Sypher04]

Lol it’s pretty nonsensical imo to calculate dollars per point in the playoffs when players are not even paid after the regular season

 

[egd27]

So you picked out a handful of the best raw producers per game over a specifically chosen playoff sample, and excluded all others that fit your criteria (except the Leaf players) and would rank worse in points per cap hit, and then took only those specific players (except Perron, conveniently excluded), extrapolated their production to 30 games, and compared their raw extrapolated production to cap hits from one specific year that doesn't match the previously chosen sample. All to "prove" absolutely nothing with a specifically manufactured result that you seem to be suggesting means something. Ok then...

Thought the criteria and rational was pretty much explained in several earlier posts.

Was neve intended to "prove" anything and I'd be surprised if anyone thought it did.

Well I guess it proves there are a couple of posters that seem to be offended by any list that doesn't make the Leafs look favourable

 

[Larcos_Unal]

Any reports on what kind of term both sides are looking for?

I've heard on the radio that Willie wants low $10M while the Leafs want him in the high $8M range.
I mean pretty simple to meet in the mid-$9M area and call it a day.

 

[Arzak]

Why not pick the Goalie. You can get off on that

Exactly, there is no defending our cap situation or Mitch Marners contract.

 

[andora]

Thought the criteria and rational was pretty much explained in several earlier posts.

Was neve intended to "prove" anything and I'd be surprised if anyone thought it did.

Well I guess it proves there are a couple of posters that seem to be offended by any list that doesn't make the Leafs look favourable

Yeah no shit - a harmless list

I am not sure what anyone could put work into showing our guys unfavorable that wouldnt spark the few gatekeepers

 

[ACC1224]

Season can’t start soon enough.

 

[Notsince67]

Exactly, there is no defending our cap situation or Mitch Marners contract.

I wont defend anything with non leaf fans who love to bitch about the team all the time

 

[Dekes For Days]

Thought the criteria and rational was pretty much explained in several earlier posts.
Was neve intended to "prove" anything and I'd be surprised if anyone thought it did.

Just wanted to make sure we were all clear on what was happening here. I'm glad we can enjoy these lists that say nothing and were created in this way and posted for no purpose. Good thing, because Nylander's right around McDavid on that list! Maybe one day we can expand the list to include more than just Leaf players and then the best players in the metric and sample you're using. Or maybe we can look at more than just raw points in small, disparate scenario samples.

 

[egd27]

Just wanted to make sure we were all clear on what was happening here. I'm glad we can enjoy these lists that say nothing and were created in this way and posted for no purpose. Good thing, because Nylander's right around McDavid on that list! Maybe one day we can expand the list to include more than just Leaf players and then the best players in the metric and sample you're using. Or maybe we can look at more than just raw points in small, disparate scenario samples.

Pretty sure everyone was clear.

Wonder if we were all clear that you and verybias had no concerns about the first list that had 16,34,&88 in the top 20 post season ppg over the past 4 years.

Wonder why that was

 

[Byron Bitz]

I've heard on the radio that Willie wants low $10M while the Leafs want him in the high $8M range.
I mean pretty simple to meet in the mid-$9M area and call it a day.

Yeah I’ve heard that, by term I meant how many years.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

I've heard on the radio that Willie wants low $10M while the Leafs want him in the high $8M range.
I mean pretty simple to meet in the mid-$9M area and call it a day.

That would be like a negotiation type of thing. Don't think Leafs players and their agencies are into that so much.

 

[Arzak]

I wont defend anything with non leaf fans who love to bitch about the team all the time

This is rich coming from someone owning exclusively Mitch Marner stock

 

[AustonMarner]

8 year deal 76.8 million total would be fair for Nylander... get'er done!

if Nylander has another ppg+ season, he'll have more bargaining power plus threat of ufa...

9.6 per puts him a bit under Aho but right there

 

[Evilhomer]

I've heard on the radio that Willie wants low $10M while the Leafs want him in the high $8M range.
I mean pretty simple to meet in the mid-$9M area and call it a day.

And I'm pretty sure that despite all of the drama here, that is exactly what is going to happen.

 

[notbias]

Pretty sure everyone was clear.

Wonder if we were all clear that you and verybias had no concerns about the first list that had 16,34,&88 in the top 20 post season ppg over the past 4 years.

Wonder why that was

It is a relatively good stat (although limited), and it was against all other players, not hard to figure out (for some)