Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Gary Nylund]

If you think he looks good on PP1 idk what to tell you. He’s on pace for 6 PP goals this year while standing net front on one of the best units in the game. I honestly think we could put just about anyone on the entire team there and get similar or better results.

He is also on pace for 25 goals this year overall. If you think he’s a 1C on half the teams I will just say you’re dead wrong, at this stage of his career. IMO he’s being propped up by being force fed ice time with our best players who he’s been coat tailing for quite some time.

He also has a lower PPG than Rielly in the playoffs and barely makes the PPG range for a 2nd line player when it counts. We played 11 playoff games last year and he scored in 2 of them. I honestly think ~12-14 minutes a game would be perfect for him at this point and maybe he will have a step left to take in game 83.

Not sure why you're focusing on goals and ignoring points. He finished top 30 last year, is 36th at the moment, I agree he wouldn't be the #1C on most teams but he's still be that on some teams. Lower PPG than Rielly in the playoffs is also misleading - he had a lower PPG in the playoffs than Rielly last year but so did Matthews, so did everyone except Marner so why beat JT over the head with this cherry picked stat? Since he arrived in Toronto, that was also the only season Rielly outscored him in the playoffs except the year where he got injured in game 1.

JT's not the elite player he once was but let's not get carried away here.

 

[TMLegend]

I think the Leafs are better off overpaying Nylander if it comes to that and dealing with the one year of cap hell afterwards waiting for Tavares 11M to come off the books.

Even if the Leafs replace him with one of the top UFA's such as Lindholm, Reinhart, Guentzel, Stamkos they're very likely to take a hit on production for the sake of modest at best cap savings.

 

[ToneDog]

I think the Leafs are better off overpaying Nylander if it comes to that and dealing with the one year of cap hell afterwards waiting for Tavares 11M to come off the books.

Even if the Leafs replace him with one of the top UFA's such as Lindholm, Reinhart, Guentzel, Stamkos they're very likely to take a hit on production for the sake of modest at best cap savings.

That is how I see it. You can save some money going with Tanev over Brodie, Woll and a cheaper partner. Bertuzzi at 4-5m or a cheaper option. However, if they poop their pants again in April, no way you can run this core back. Right ?

 

[WTFMAN99]

There are numbers that will and will not make sense for Nylander.

I like Nylander but my drop dead number is likely 9.88M x 8 years, front loaded to hell.

It would take 11.29M x 7 to match the dollars and most teams cannot do the bonuses/front loading we do.

If it can't get done, that's fine, you can find other guys to fill out the roster.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

He likee it here and didn't need the money last time either.

Can't argue with those facts .. we will see what he does but bottom line da issue is still da same we will have 4 $10M+ forwards on this team .. i don't think MIX is right for a Cup .. i still think we need a top D and G and/or 2Ds and a solid starting G in da right MIX .. so for me a trade is what we need to do here unless we are prepared to wait out this season and next .. JT will help out team in 2 years as a LWer but can we all wait it out?????????????????

 

[ToneDog]

There are numbers that will and will not make sense for Nylander.

I like Nylander but my drop dead number is likely 9.88M x 8 years, front loaded to hell.

It would take 11.29M x 7 to match the dollars and most teams cannot do the bonuses/front loading we do.

If it can't get done, that's fine, you can find other guys to fill out the roster.

As good as Willie has been, Pasta has been better. If the bolded can't get it done today, I'd trade him before the TDL. Imagine giving him Pasta money and losing in round #1 to Florida or Boston or worse to a WC.

 

[WTFMAN99]

As good as Willie has been, Pasta has been better. If the bolded can't get it done today, I'd trade him before the TDL. Imagine giving him Pasta money and losing in round #1 to Florida or Boston or worse to a WC.

Nylander doesn't belong in the Pastrnak conversation. Nylander is on pace for 42 goals, this is his career year.

Pastrnak has posted up over 60 goals, has a rocket and every year of their careers has been the better player, Pastrnak this year is on pace for 52 (rounded up) goals.

Pastrnak signed for 11.25M and it seemed on the high side but he's been one of the best wingers in the league.

Maybe Chicago, Montreal or Seattle will offer up that 10.5-11M range but it's a bad team.

I could see Dallas with some interest potentially but likely closer to what we'd want to offer him.

The money will be there for him if he really just chases that but any financial person will tell you money today is worth more than money tomorrow. We have the ability to put a lot of money into Nylander's account as fast as anyone could in this league.

Burke said it best in an interview a few weeks back, as a GM your job is to make a fair deal, not make people happy.

 

[Confucius]

If you think he looks good on PP1 idk what to tell you. He’s on pace for 6 PP goals this year while standing net front on one of the best units in the game. I honestly think we could put just about anyone on the entire team there and get similar or better results.

He is also on pace for 25 goals this year overall. If you think he’s a 1C on half the teams I will just say you’re dead wrong, at this stage of his career. IMO he’s being propped up by being force fed ice time with our best players who he’s been coat tailing for quite some time.

He also has a lower PPG than Rielly in the playoffs and barely makes the PPG range for a 2nd line player when it counts. We played 11 playoff games last year and he scored in 2 of them. I honestly think ~12-14 minutes a game would be perfect for him at this point and maybe he will have a step left to take in game 83.

Well maybe a dozen teams have a center who tallied more points and maybe 5 teams have a center with a better faceoff win %. And it seemed that for years we had players that would not even stand in front of the net, it’s ok to disagree.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Not sure why you're focusing on goals and ignoring points. He finished top 30 last year, is 36th at the moment, I agree he wouldn't be the #1C on most teams but he's still be that on some teams. Lower PPG than Rielly in the playoffs is also misleading - he had a lower PPG in the playoffs than Rielly last year but so did Matthews, so did everyone except Marner so why beat JT over the head with this cherry picked stat? Since he arrived in Toronto, that was also the only season Rielly outscored him in the playoffs except the year where he got injured in game 1.

JT's not the elite player he once was but let's not get carried away here.

22 points in 31 games. For 11 million. That’s all I need to say.

We got f***ed.

And Rielly has 27 in 37 since JTs arrival, a higher PPG, as I said. He also has only one less goal. f***ING disgrace what we get for 11 million from JT in the playoffs. We have literally paid him 5 million per playoff goal across 5 years. I don’t know how anyone is defending this guy.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander doesn't belong in the Pastrnak conversation. Nylander is on pace for 42 goals, this is his career year.

Pastrnak has posted up over 60 goals, has a rocket and every year of their careers has been the better player, Pastrnak this year is on pace for 52 (rounded up) goals.

Pastrnak signed for 11.25M and it seemed on the high side but he's been one of the best wingers in the league.

Maybe Chicago, Montreal or Seattle will offer up that 10.5-11M range but it's a bad team.

I could see Dallas with some interest potentially but likely closer to what we'd want to offer him.

The money will be there for him if he really just chases that but any financial person will tell you money today is worth more than money tomorrow. We have the ability to put a lot of money into Nylander's account as fast as anyone could in this league.

Burke said it best in an interview a few weeks back, as a GM your job is to make a fair deal, not make people happy.

Certainly the right winger on the best line in the NHL will get more points than a right winger playing on the second line with Tavares and an assortment of 'who?'

I think 10 is reasonable for Willy, but the same amount is reasonable for Mitch, so I have no idea how it will work out.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Certainly the right winger on the best line in the NHL will get more points than a right winger playing on the second line with Tavares and an assortment of 'who?'

I think 10 is reasonable for Willy, but the same amount is reasonable for Mitch, so I have no idea how it will work out.

Nylander has been on the 1st line for some time now, took a few games for Matthews/88 to find their chemistry again but they seemed to have found it.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Well maybe a dozen teams have a center who tallied more points and maybe 5 teams have a center with a better faceoff win %. And it seemed that for years we had players that would not even stand in front of the net, it’s ok to disagree.

Actually 16th in points (and tied for 47th in ES points) among centres, despite playing with one or the other of two of the best right wingers in the league, but yes, he's very good at faceoffs.

 

[Stephen]

I think the Leafs are better off overpaying Nylander if it comes to that and dealing with the one year of cap hell afterwards waiting for Tavares 11M to come off the books.

Even if the Leafs replace him with one of the top UFA's such as Lindholm, Reinhart, Guentzel, Stamkos they're very likely to take a hit on production for the sake of modest at best cap savings.

I think so too. At a minimum you keep the asset, preserve the value and buy a little time for a decision to be made. With guys like Rantanen, McDavid and Draisaitl etc approaching free agency over the next few years maybe a sign and trade opportunity opens up requiring one of those bigger contracts to be moved out to pre-emptively get a new deal on a bigger star. You never know. Just preserve the assets and don’t take a big step back because you feel contract pressure.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander has been on the 1st line for some time now, took a few games for Matthews/88 to find their chemistry again but they seemed to have found it.

14 points in 9 games. 128 point pace. I would say so.

 

[WTFMAN99]

14 points in 9 games. 128 point pace. I would say so.

Nothing to do now but wait and see if he keeps that pace up and re-signs or walks.

I've gone from optimistic to pessimistic on an extension, I will be surprised if he extends.

 

[Gary Nylund]

22 points in 31 games. For 11 million. That’s all I need to say.

We got f***ed.

And Rielly has 27 in 37 since JTs arrival, a higher PPG, as I said. He also has only one less goal. f***ING disgrace what we get for 11 million from JT in the playoffs. We have literally paid him 5 million per playoff goal across 5 years. I don’t know how anyone is defending this guy.

Not defending him, just trying to be objective. He's overpaid but that's what often happens when you sign UFA's and when it comes to playoff performance, I'm more disappointed in Marner myself who's production dips below .5 points a game once we get past the first 4 games. Matthews has 44 points in 50 playoff games, that's pretty disappointing as well. And people were bitching like crazy about Rielly a year ago, then he had a great playoffs and shut everyone up. Maybe JT will do the same, we'll see.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nothing to do now but wait and see if he keeps that pace up and re-signs or walks.

I've gone from optimistic to pessimistic on an extension, I will be surprised if he extends.

Hard to tell either way, we'll see, I still think Marner is a big issue. Nylander he might be willing to sign for 10 but not if he thinks they'll give Marner 12.5 which is what some people is going to happen. If they're going to overpay everyone else, why should he be the only one to settle for less?

 

[WTFMAN99]

Hard to tell either way, we'll see, I still think Marner is a big issue. Nylander he might be willing to sign for 10 but not if he thinks they'll give Marner 12.5 which is what some people is going to happen. If they're going to overpay everyone else, why should he be the only one to settle for less?

I don't disagree.

I would struggle to pay Marner what he's making right now, we overpaid early and didn't get term for it.

 

[Confucius]

Actually 16th in points (and tied for 47th in ES points) among centres, despite playing with one or the other of two of the best right wingers in the league, but yes, he's very good at faceoffs.

Since we are splitting hairs, he may well be 16th amongst all centers but a couple of those centres above him play on the same team… 16 teams would play him 1st line

Edited to add and he is 15th not 47th in even strength points amongst centers

NHL Even Strength Points Leaders Centers | StatMuse

Nathan MacKinnon has the most even-strength points by a center this season, with 50 points.

www.statmuse.com

 

[notDatsyuk]

Since we are splitting hairs, he may well be 16th amongst all centers but a couple of those centres above him play on the same team… 16 teams would play him 1st line

Edited to add and he is 15th not 47th in even strength points amongst centers

NHL Even Strength Points Leaders Centers | StatMuse

Nathan MacKinnon has the most even-strength points by a center this season, with 50 points.

www.statmuse.com

I was using last year as a full year. Yes he's really benefitted from Nylander's hot start, which I see you ignored.

Just because he collects a lot of points playing with either Marner or Nylander as a 2C doesn't mean he'd do the same elsewhere. How many teams have a better 2RW?

 

[arso40]

I was using last year as a full year. Yes he's really benefitted from Nylander's hot start, which I see you ignored.

Just because he collects a lot of points playing with either Marner or Nylander as a 2C doesn't mean he'd do the same elsewhere. How many teams have a better 2RW?

Off the top of my head he has to be the best second line right winger in the league

 

[Jojalu]

Off the top of my head he has to be the best second line right winger in the league

Boeser would be the only one close this year. I just don't know if he and Miller are the 1st line or if Petey's line is

 

[Confucius]

I was using last year as a full year. Yes he's really benefitted from Nylander's hot start, which I see you ignored.

Just because he collects a lot of points playing with either Marner or Nylander as a 2C doesn't mean he'd do the same elsewhere. How many teams have a better 2RW?

Last year after a full season he was 16th amongst nhl centers. lol keep trying I guess… but maybe not here in the Nylander thread

 

[EXTRAS]

Why should Nylander take a discount when marner/matthews/Tavares took every penny they could, and maxed their years for profit too. If Nylander should take a hometown discount...for his next team. Make it a winner.

 

[nuck]

If you think he looks good on PP1 idk what to tell you. He’s on pace for 6 PP goals this year while standing net front on one of the best units in the game. I honestly think we could put just about anyone on the entire team there and get similar or better results.

He is also on pace for 25 goals this year overall. If you think he’s a 1C on half the teams I will just say you’re dead wrong, at this stage of his career. IMO he’s being propped up by being force fed ice time with our best players who he’s been coat tailing for quite some time.

He also has a lower PPG than Rielly in the playoffs and barely makes the PPG range for a 2nd line player when it counts. We played 11 playoff games last year and he scored in 2 of them. I honestly think ~12-14 minutes a game would be perfect for him at this point and maybe he will have a step left to take in game 83.

He had 18ppg last year so I wouldn't panic at game 29