Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[WillyC]

Nowhere could Willy make TTC money… Transit is in such bad shape, Styles could squeeze them for a huge payday.

Leafs $8.88 million
TTC $3.88 million

 

[Evilhomer]

Whatever the number ends up being, it will be with Toronto. They will "overpay" to keep him if they have to do so. If this season proves anything, it's that there are always ways around the salary cap.

 

[Yall are crazy]

I don't think he can make less then Marner. They are at least equal now.

For one season

 

[Squiffy]

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

As a matter of organizational integrity they can't approach these playoffs with the attitude this team isn't a contender.

That means using every asset available to them in order to try and win the cup. Including Nylander as own rental. If he doesn't want to come back after who cares?

The cap space afforded his salary can be re-allocated to other uses.

There should be no excuse for not making the final four this year. At this point it almost does seem like a cup or bust situation. If they flop again this core will be defined by blown opportunities.

Going out early every year is no longer acceptable.

It never should have been in the first place. The richest franchise in the entire sport should also be a successful one. That means doing whatever it takes to win the cup.

Including using Nylander as an own rental if need be.

 

[Gary Nylund]

There should be no excuse for not making the final four this year. At this point it almost does seem like a cup or bust situation. If they flop again this core will be defined by blown opportunities.

Going out early every year is no longer acceptable.

It never should have been in the first place. The richest franchise in the entire sport should also be a successful one. That means doing whatever it takes to win the cup.

Including using Nylander as an own rental if need be.

Haven't we been saying that for years?

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Willy will sign here .. he is comfortable here .. he does not need any hockey income so it will happen .. da real issue is team will have 4 $10M forwards .. da same issue it always had .. to me we should resign Willy and suffer through next season which will be CAP H*LL in worst way .. da following year JT will sign back at league min and CAP problem goes away for 2 years

 

[Stephen]

As a matter of organizational integrity they can't approach these playoffs with the attitude this team isn't a contender.

That means using every asset available to them in order to try and win the cup. Including Nylander as own rental. If he doesn't want to come back after who cares?

The cap space afforded his salary can be re-allocated to other uses.

There should be no excuse for not making the final four this year. At this point it almost does seem like a cup or bust situation. If they flop again this core will be defined by blown opportunities.

Going out early every year is no longer acceptable.

It never should have been in the first place. The richest franchise in the entire sport should also be a successful one. That means doing whatever it takes to win the cup.

Including using Nylander as an own rental if need be.

Judging by the relaxed atmosphere around the team and player, I think the most obvious solution is they'll sign him to a healthy superstar contract, largely sponsored by the latest projected cap increase and move forward with a team of similar build quality next year. Probably re-sign Mitch, and introduce a bigger pay cut to JT if he sticks around.

Out of the non core budget, some combination of Samsonov, Brodie, Bertuzzi and Domi will remain, probably not at much of a raise if at all, and the rest will be spent on other stuff.

 

[Evilhomer]

Willy will sign here .. he is comfortable here .. he does not need any hockey income so it will happen .. da real issue is team will have 4 $10M forwards .. da same issue it always had .. to me we should resign Willy and suffer through next season which will be CAP H*LL in worst way .. da following year JT will sign back at league min and CAP problem goes away for 2 years

Why would Tavares sign for league minimum?

 

[Drytoast]

I could care less if we lose Willy.

Watching the Leafs play without Matthews...and they looked pretty good. They competed. It wasn't ideal and we are better with Matthews but it wasn't the end of the world without him.

Same with Nylander. He's good. But he's not so good that I'm willing to further perpetuate the destruction of our cap space as we have these past 7 years.

If he's not gonna sign for something reasonable...trade him at the deadline and get something for him. Or trade him now so the pieces have time to settle in. I have NO INTEREST in letting him walk as a rental. That. Is f***ing stupid.

 

[81Leafs50]

William Nylander is on pace for 117 pts and 42 goals. Mitch Marner is on pace for 97pts.

Considering also that Willy is on pace for another 40 goal season, If Willy hits 100pts before Marner, there is no way you can tell him that he has to take a AAV lower than Marners $10,903,000.

Which probably puts Nylander at 11M AAV x 8 years. Which is 88M and his jersey number.

Which is OK in the long run since Tavares will extend for an AAV less than what Willy is getting now $6,962,366.

Willy at $11M and Tavares at 5M or less will save Leafs money in the long run.

Cap wise Leafs should be ok with the cap being 92M when Taveres' new deal kicks in.

EDIT: Patrice Bergeron's AAV his last year was $5M before he retired.

 

[Evilhomer]

William Nylander is on pace for 117 pts and 42 goals. Mitch Marner is on pace for 97pts.

Considering also that Willy is on pace for another 40 goal season, If Willy hits 100pts before Marner, there is no way you can tell him that he has to take a AAV lower than Marners $10,903,000.

Which probably puts Nylander at 11M AAV x 8 years. Which is 88M and his jersey number.

Which is OK in the long run since Tavares will extend for an AAV less than what Willy is getting now $6,962,366.

Willy at $11M and Tavares at 5M or less will save Leafs money in the long run.

Cap wise Leafs should be ok with the cap being 92M when Taveres' new deal kicks in.

EDIT: Patrice Bergeron's AAV his last year was $5M before he retired.

This is more what I would expect Tavares to re-sign for, or maybe slightly more to account for salary inflation.

 

[Sypher04]

Tavares is still a basically point per game player. He will probably cost more like 7M imo if he’s retained.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

Tavares is still a basically point per game player. He will probably cost more like 7M imo if he’s retained.

Let’s slide him into the 3C/2LW role and PP2 where he belongs next year and see how that PPG holds up. He has been a massive anchor on our PP this season and it’s still humming along

 

[TMLBlueandWhite]

Judging by the relaxed atmosphere around the team and player, I think the most obvious solution is they'll sign him to a healthy superstar contract, largely sponsored by the latest projected cap increase and move forward with a team of similar build quality next year. Probably re-sign Mitch, and introduce a bigger pay cut to JT if he sticks around.

Out of the non core budget, some combination of Samsonov, Brodie, Bertuzzi and Domi will remain, probably not at much of a raise if at all, and the rest will be spent on other stuff.

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Pittsburgh.

That stupid promise screwed this team for years. Now Nylander is probably gonna go running right back to Moneybags. Dubas will be at Nylander's door with a blank cheque the stroke of midnight July 1st.

Nylander isn't loyal to this team.

He's loyal to Dubas. And money. He loves money.

They all do.

 

[Evilhomer]

Judging by the relaxed atmosphere around the team and player, I think the most obvious solution is they'll sign him to a healthy superstar contract, largely sponsored by the latest projected cap increase and move forward with a team of similar build quality next year. Probably re-sign Mitch, and introduce a bigger pay cut to JT if he sticks around.

Out of the non core budget, some combination of Samsonov, Brodie, Bertuzzi and Domi will remain, probably not at much of a raise if at all, and the rest will be spent on other stuff.

Pretty much this. Samsonov won't be resigned, and I can envision them letting Brodie leave, as well, but all of the rest will likely be resigned (unless Bertuzzi wants something astronomical).

 

[arso40]

Tavares is still a basically point per game player. He will probably cost more like 7M imo if he’s retained.

then don’t resign him

 

[Stephen]

I wouldn't be surprised if he ends up in Pittsburgh.

That stupid promise screwed this team for years. Now Nylander is probably gonna go running right back to Moneybags. Dubas will be at Nylander's door with a blank cheque the stroke of midnight July 1st.

Nylander isn't loyal to this team.

He's loyal to Dubas. And money. He loves money.

They all do.

If we're writing fan fiction, I'd suggest Chicago, Connor Bedard and Kyle Davidson would at least make some plausible sense than cold weather, small city, old and losing team in Pittsburgh...

 

[Stephen]

Pretty much this. Samsonov won't be resigned, and I can envision them letting Brodie leave, as well, but all of the rest will likely be resigned (unless Bertuzzi wants something astronomical).

If the cap rises to $87.X million, I think the increase basically pays for Matthews with enough left over to pay Nylander $9.6 million before touching any other part of the roster as a starting point.

So depending on how the negotiations go and what ballpark they're in, you're talking about finding about $1.0 million to $1.5 million to cover an AAV up to $11 million. If there hadn't been a cap increase, a $1.0-$1.5 million carve out would get Nylander to $8.5 million, which would have been a grand slam of a re-sign for Toronto. That's one less Conor Timmins basically.

I don't think it's going to be that hard. 2024-25 might be a bit bumpy but it's temporary and Nylander will be kept.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Considering also that Willy is on pace for another 40 goal season, If Willy hits 100pts before Marner, there is no way you can tell him that he has to take a AAV lower than Marners $10,903,000.

You're right, which is why it's likely the last season with both of them.

I'd loathe to lose Nylander for nothing, which is why, earlier in this thread, I mentioned the idea of a date when they should explore moving him if he's not signed by.

I don't think it will happen because they'll use him as their 'own rental" a la Gaudreau for Treliving. But IMO, it's a very far from optimal idea.

 

[Evilhomer]

If the cap rises to $87.X million, I think the increase basically pays for Matthews with enough left over to pay Nylander $9.6 million before touching any other part of the roster as a starting point.

So depending on how the negotiations go and what ballpark they're in, you're talking about finding about $1.0 million to $1.5 million to cover an AAV up to $11 million. If there hadn't been a cap increase, a $1.0-$1.5 million carve out would get Nylander to $8.5 million, which would have been a grand slam of a re-sign for Toronto. That's one less Conor Timmins basically.

I don't think it's going to be that hard. 2024-25 might be a bit bumpy but it's temporary and Nylander will be kept.

I think the only guy they might have to make a decision on because of salary is Bertuzzi. If he wants more than he is making now (he will), that might require some gymnastics. The following year is interesting because while you can save by cutting Tavares' contract in half, you may be backed into a relatively expensive contract for Knies depending on what his numbers look like next season.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Tavares is still a basically point per game player. He will probably cost more like 7M imo if he’s retained.

I think you're right in that's his value on the open market, and maybe even more like $8m, but I think if he wants to remain the captain of his Hometown Toronto Maple Leafs it will have to be something in the $5-6m range. With the rising cap, that's still quite the bargain for a PPG 2C who is a model of work ethic, professionalism and personal responsibility.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I think the only guy they might have to make a decision on because of salary is Bertuzzi. If he wants more than he is making now (he will), that might require some gymnastics. The following year is interesting because while you can save by cutting Tavares' contract in half, you may be backed into a relatively expensive contract for Knies depending on what his numbers look like next season.

If Knies earns a significant portion of the Tavares savings then that's probably a good thing as it means we have another impact forward who plays a different kind of game than the rest of the core and you can probably make different decisions on guys like bertuzzi and fringe guys than you might have otherwise.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

then don’t resign him

I mean we basically have him by the balls. He wants to play here and he wants his family to live here. He’s been overpaid for the last 5 years and captained us to exactly nothing… the least he can do is give us a hefty discount and try to help us win the whole damn thing.

 

[keonsbitterness]

I mean we basically have him by the balls. He wants to play here and he wants his family to live here. He’s been overpaid for the last 5 years and captained us to exactly nothing… the least he can do is give us a hefty discount and try to help us win the whole damn thing.

Leafs will definitely have a lot of leverage with Tavares. He could also drop well below a point-a-game player in 24-25, and will turn 35 the following September. No need to rush into anything.