Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[ULF_55]

Tre got burned waiting on Johnny Hockey, I doubt he'll let that happen again with the same players agent too boot.........

On second thoughts, did the Flames really get burned by Gaudreau? They probably would have re-signed him for his Columbus deal, or more.

 

[rumman]

if it's all sunshine and lolly pops and nothing to worry about why hasn't Willy resigned????????

 

[rumman]

On second thoughts, did the Flames really get burned by Gaudreau? They probably would have re-signed him for his Columbus deal, or more.

some of the best deals you make are the one's you don't make, I never was big on Johnny Hockey, but the difference between him and Nylander isn't even close. Nylander's going to get paid, and it'll be a overpayment for sure. He holds all the power after the trade deadline........

 

[Evilhomer]

if it's all sunshine and lolly pops and nothing to worry about why hasn't Willy resigned????????

I imagine because he wants Toronto to pay him more money than they are currently offering. Probably no different than any negotiation.

 

[rumman]

I imagine because he wants Toronto to pay him more money than they are currently offering. Probably no different than any negotiation.

would you pay him Mathew's money? Marner money? They can't be low balling him so again, why hasn't he signed? Perhaps it's as simple as he want to explore free agency.............

 

[Evilhomer]

would you pay him Mathew's money? Marner money? They can't be low balling him so again, why hasn't he signed? Perhaps it's as simple as he want to explore free agency.............

You don't have to pay him Matthews' salary. Like any other team, the best player's salary sets the internal cap. As such, it's a matter of what number below $13.5 works for Nylander. While his stats are better than Marner's so far this season, I'm not sure he has enough of a track record to exceed Marner's current salary. So maybe he ends up getting $10 million per season, or maybe the Leafs buckle and go to $10.5 or $11. They have the cap space to make all of those numbers work, and they won't let him leave over money.

 

[notDatsyuk]

if it's all sunshine and lolly pops and nothing to worry about why hasn't Willy resigned????????

He's saving it for a Christmas present?

 

[Menzinger]

if it's all sunshine and lolly pops and nothing to worry about why hasn't Willy resigned????????

Contracts someones take time to smooth out the details.

It's hardly uncommon for guys to sign mid season either. Pastrnak extended this past March in Boston for example. Not every deal gets done early.

 

[Confucius]

I imagine because he wants Toronto to pay him more money than they are currently offering. Probably no different than any negotiation.

If the club wants to hurry things along they have to explore a trade now. Inform William we want him to stay but he has to understand we can’t gamble on losing him for nothing, we are working on a deal and things could finalize suddenly. It’s your decision William.

We would then know how badly he wants to stay, or is it he wants to explore free agency.

Simple enough.

 

[ACC1224]

If the club wants to hurry things along they have to explore a trade now. Inform William we want him to stay but he has to understand we can’t gamble on losing him for nothing, we are working on a deal and things could finalize suddenly. It’s your decision William.

We would then know how badly he wants to stay, or is it he wants to explore free agency.

Simple enough.

Would they need to get him to submit his list of teams he won’t go to or is that done at the start of the season?
I wonder how many teams there are that woild
Be legitimate destinations?

 

[Confucius]

Would they need to get him to submit his list of teams he won’t go to or is that done at the start of the season?
I wonder how many teams there are that woild
Be legitimate destinations?

For sure we’d have to get the 10 he wouldn’t go to. Maybe that was done and maybe the end result is the offers are so low we may just keep him as our own rental. Maybe we have to extend him 1st and maybe that is the stumbling block. Rest assured if William wants to stay a deal would be done.

 

[ACC1224]

For sure we’d have to get the 10 he wouldn’t go to. Maybe that was done and maybe the end result is the offers are so low we may just keep him as our own rental. Maybe we have to extend him 1st and maybe that is the stumbling block. Rest assured if William wants to stay a deal would be done.

I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to stay.

 

[Evilhomer]

If the club wants to hurry things along they have to explore a trade now. Inform William we want him to stay but he has to understand we can’t gamble on losing him for nothing, we are working on a deal and things could finalize suddenly. It’s your decision William.

We would then know how badly he wants to stay, or is it he wants to explore free agency.

Simple enough.

Right. Then his agent says "decide as you wish", and your decision is to trade your best player, unsigned, for what exactly?

 

[Confucius]

I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to stay.

If it was put to him we are exploring a trade, $$$, Obviously they are the determining factor, more so then he wants to stay.

Right. Then his agent says "decide as you wish", and your decision is to trade your best player, unsigned, for what exactly?

Yes that is the problem what are the offers coming back? But absolutely we have to go down that road.

 

[arso40]

If it was put to him we are exploring a trade, $$$, Obviously they are the determining factor, more so then he wants to stay.

Put yourself in his shoes you love your job but have been under valued and paid for 7 years while your co workers are treated better and suffer the same scrutiny for past failures how would you feel?what would you do?

 

[Confucius]

Put yourself in his shoes you life your job but have been under valued and paid for 7 years while your co workers are treated better and suffer the same scrutiny for past failures how would you feel?what would you do?

I wouldn’t want to stay and you would have to overpay to keep me. William has a valid reason for wanting every last cent.

 

[ToneDog]

Put yourself in his shoes you love your job but have been under valued and paid for 7 years while your co workers are treated better and suffer the same scrutiny for past failures how would you feel?what would you do?

Yes, he has outperformed his contract the last few years but he's never been underpaid. Pasta was in the same situation last season, dug in on a number and forced the Bruins to pay it because of the numbers he was putting up. Compared to 16 and 34, Pasta gave them a discount. Willie might as well.

 

[rumman]

Would they need to get him to submit his list of teams he won’t go to or is that done at the start of the season?
I wonder how many teams there are that woild
Be legitimate destinations?

One would assume it would have to be a contender, that should narrow it down………

I don’t see why he wouldn’t want to stay.

So why hasn’t a deal been done?

 

[rumman]

Put yourself in his shoes you love your job but have been under valued and paid for 7 years while your co workers are treated better and suffer the same scrutiny for past failures how would you feel?what would you do?

Exactly my point, he’s earned the right to see what free agency offers, but as a Leaf fan I’d hate to lose a asset as valuable as Nylander for nothing. And if he thinks he’s been treated worse than others on the team that just makes me more concerned.………

Yes, he has outperformed his contract the last few years but he's never been underpaid. Pasta was in the same situation last season, dug in on a number and forced the Bruins to pay it because of the numbers he was putting up. Compared to 16 and 34, Pasta gave them a discount. Willie might as well.

And lets not forget how getting signed to his current contract wasn’t a walk in the park, plenty to be concerned about until he’s inked……

 

[ACC1224]

One would assume it would have to be a contender, that should narrow it down………


So why hasn’t a deal been done?

Yeah could be if the contender has cap space and isn’t on his list.

Could be many reasons why it’s not done, I certainly don’t know the exact one.

 

[arso40]

Yeah could be if the contender has cap space and isn’t on his list.

Could be many reasons why it’s not done, I certainly don’t know the exact one.

Cause we’re not trading him we will sign him and go on a perennial run we need a top pair d good age

 

[Menzinger]

Put yourself in his shoes you love your job but have been under valued and paid for 7 years while your co workers are treated better and suffer the same scrutiny for past failures how would you feel?what would you do?

I don't think Nylander is going to be as emotionally swayed over stuff like that. He grew up in an NHL family, and understands how the business side of things work.

Each side will point to contract comparables to boost their case, and eventually will likely settle on a compromise. And in free agency,.their approach won't be any different - the only main difference is the Leafs hold.the advantage of being able to offer an 8th year

 

[Confucius]

I don't think Nylander is going to be as emotionally swayed over stuff like that. He grew up in an NHL family, and understands how the business side of things work.

Each side will point to contract comparables to boost their case, and eventually will likely settle on a compromise. And in free agency,.their approach won't be any different - the only main difference is the Leafs hold.the advantage of being able to offer an 8th year

Mathews is a good example of how skilled players don’t look that far down the road. Now if he was a border line NHL’er he would be all over an eight year deal but that never happens. Lol

 

[nuck]

If the club wants to hurry things along they have to explore a trade now. Inform William we want him to stay but he has to understand we can’t gamble on losing him for nothing, we are working on a deal and things could finalize suddenly. It’s your decision William.

We would then know how badly he wants to stay, or is it he wants to explore free agency.

Simple enough.

I think both sides have a number out that they think is reasonable. Willie doesn't have a personal salary cap so his number just might not work for the club. Players consider the cap to be the clubs problem, not their own. I am sure most negotiations go similarly to this unless the team has no other big salary commitments in which case they can just reward their guy.

I would also expect Tre has checked the market interest and unfortunately other teams tend to want to pick your pocket and play the waiting game as well so their best and final isn't out there yet. There is a number which Treliving and Pridham have which absolutely means it makes more sense to trade than to keep him and I am guessing Willie is somewhere north of that right now. But I don't think he has actually shown a desire to leave or test free agency.

Willie will have looked to AM and MM and even though this might be his Huberdeau/Kadri unicorn year he will want to be paid as though this is his regular annual production. Thats how all FAs work and we know from the last contract he doesn't blink and he doesn't leave anything on the table.

He wants to stay but he wants to be paid and the longer they wait, the more leverage he has, right up until they lose in the playoffs and are dealing his negotiation rights. Waiting costs team Willie zero. Complicated by this is that another $10M forward might just be continuing the Dubas cycle of failure, but if its actually the Shanahan cycle of failure then it is what it is.

All we can do is watch and wait. There are no villains here, just people doing their job. Clubs that don't already have three $10M players don't have that problem.

 

[Commander Clueless]

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