Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Racer88]

As a matter of organizational integrity they can't approach these playoffs with the attitude this team isn't a contender.

That means using every asset available to them in order to try and win the cup. Including Nylander as own rental. If he doesn't want to come back after who cares?

The cap space afforded his salary can be re-allocated to other uses.

There should be no excuse for not making the final four this year. At this point it almost does seem like a cup or bust situation. If they flop again this core will be defined by blown opportunities.

Going out early every year is no longer acceptable.

It never should have been in the first place. The richest franchise in the entire sport should also be a successful one. That means doing whatever it takes to win the cup.

Including using Nylander as an own rental if need be.

I think that if they crap out first round again Management will be blown up then the core.
I wouldn’t trust any of the management from Shanny on down to retool this group

 

[Gary Nylund]

Willy will sign here .. he is comfortable here .. he does not need any hockey income so it will happen .. da real issue is team will have 4 $10M forwards .. da same issue it always had .. to me we should resign Willy and suffer through next season which will be CAP H*LL in worst way .. da following year JT will sign back at league min and CAP problem goes away for 2 years

He likee it here and didn't need the money last time either.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Willy is the 2nd best player on the team (maybe tied with Marner). He is the 4th most important player after AM, Reilly, and a goaltender we still do not have.
He and M M must be paid the same. If that is 9M or 12M. That simple.
If we cannot afford both, the one who fetches the most MUST go.
It is not that Willie is worth 11 or 12, but he is the equivalent of MM. The standard is set until someone leaves.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Willy is the 2nd best player on the team (maybe tied with Marner). He is the 4th most important player after AM, Reilly, and a goaltender we still do not have.
He and M M must be paid the same. If that is 9M or 12M. That simple.
If we cannot afford both, the one who fetches the most MUST go.
It is not that Willie is worth 11 or 12, but he is the equivalent of MM. The standard is set until someone leaves.

Here's the thing.

There's no doubt that everyone associated with Marner believes that not only is he better than Nylander, but he's as impactful as Matthews. This means his next contract is going nearer to Matthews than Nylander; my guess is with less than a $1m difference.

Perhaps the best thing to do is establish a new value with Nylander and move on from Marner in the summer.

 

[rumman]

I think the only guy they might have to make a decision on because of salary is Bertuzzi. If he wants more than he is making now (he will), that might require some gymnastics. The following year is interesting because while you can save by cutting Tavares' contract in half, you may be backed into a relatively expensive contract for Knies depending on what his numbers look like next season.

If the Leafs go deep in the playoffs it’ll be because Bertuzzi goes into playoff mode, it that happens he’ll be asking for a lot more that’s for damn sure………

I think that if they crap out first round again Management will be blown up then the core.
I wouldn’t trust any of the management from Shanny on down to retool this group

Here’s a question, how do you blow up the core when no one in the core can be traded? This team is handcuffed in so many ways it’s ridiculous………..

 

[PROUD PAPA]

I think that if they crap out first round again Management will be blown up then the core.
I wouldn’t trust any of the management from Shanny on down to retool this group

Hope you’re right. It’s amazing how many want this failure to continue. Personally I’ve seen enough.

 

[Niagara Bill]

Here's the thing.

There's no doubt that everyone associated with Marner believes that not only is he better than Nylander, but he's as impactful as Matthews. This means his next contract is going nearer to Matthews than Nylander; my guess is with less than a $1m difference.

Perhaps the best thing to do is establish a new value with Nylander and move on from Marner in the summer.

Going to be hard to establish new baseline until Marner leaves. Tavaras is done in 2 years.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Going to be hard to establish new baseline until Marner leaves. Tavaras is done in 2 years.

Yep, but that could lead to both Nylander and Maner walking.

 

[rumman]

Yep, but that could lead to both Nylander and Maner walking.

Cap hell, don’t believe it’s not a issue even if you factor in a supposedly cap increase it’s only going to be a compounding problem like a snowball rolling down a hill. This doesn’t end well……….

 

[ACC1224]

Here's the thing.

There's no doubt that everyone associated with Marner believes that not only is he better than Nylander, but he's as impactful as Matthews. This means his next contract is going nearer to Matthews than Nylander; my guess is with less than a $1m difference.

Perhaps the best thing to do is establish a new value with Nylander and move on from Marner in the summer.

Marner is still under contract for next season, they can’t move on this summer.

It’s funny how much misinformation is posted about Marner that there’s ’no doubt’ about.

 

[Rare Jewel]

Marner is still under contract for next season, they can’t move on this summer.

It’s funny how much misinformation is posted about Marner that there’s ’no doubt’ about.

Well, I'm talking about asking him to waive this summer possibly.

As far as his next contract and the "no doubt" remark, he was much closer to Matthews than Nylander the last time the contracts were done; there is no reason to expect different next time.

 

[Racer88]

If the Leafs go deep in the playoffs it’ll be because Bertuzzi goes into playoff mode, it that happens he’ll be asking for a lot more that’s for damn sure………


Here’s a question, how do you blow up the core when no one in the core can be traded? This team is handcuffed in so many ways it’s ridiculous………..

I agree it will be tough but there are ways to convince at least 1 of them to agree to a trade

 

[Evilhomer]

I agree it will be tough but there are ways to convince at least 1 of them to agree to a trade

I don't think it will ever get to that point. I think management, including upper management, has given every indication that they will stick with these guys through hell or high water. No matter the result, I don't think any of them will be traded. That said, I also think this lineup will make the Cup final this season,. so I don't think this will even be a discussion in the off-season.

 

[WillyC]

I think Tavares signs something like 4.5x4… meanwhile, I think Willy stays for around 10x8.

Mitch would be somewhere around 12x8.

They better be thinking about Matthew Knies as a long term Maple Leaf.

 

[Racer88]

I don't think it will ever get to that point. I think management, including upper management, has given every indication that they will stick with these guys through hell or high water. No matter the result, I don't think any of them will be traded. That said, I also think this lineup will make the Cup final this season,. so I don't think this will even be a discussion in the off-season.

I hope they make it that far for sure, but I don’t have as much faith in them as you do. 7 years with only 1 round win is simply awful

 

[Racer88]

I think Tavares signs something like 4.5x4… meanwhile, I think Willy stays for around 10x8.

Mitch would be somewhere around 12x8.

They better be thinking about Matthew Knies as a long term Maple Leaf.

There is no world where Marner is worth 12

 

[Evilhomer]

I hope they make it that far for sure, but I don’t have as much faith in them as you do. 7 years with only 1 round win is simply awful

I think the rest of the East is so mediocre at this point that the Leafs will finally have the right mix to get through the conference, although it will require the rookie goaltender staying healthy through three rounds.

 

[Confucius]

Let’s slide him into the 3C/2LW role and PP2 where he belongs next year and see how that PPG holds up. He has been a massive anchor on our PP this season and it’s still humming along

In the. Entire history of the NHL Has there ever been a 3c who was a ppg player? JT would be a number 1 center on half the teams in the league.

Let’s play him 8 minutes a game and see if he’s still a ppg. lol!

 

[LeafEgo]

Tavares is still a basically point per game player. He will probably cost more like 7M imo if he’s retained.

That would be his worth but I'm expecting a healthy discount. He will be in a poor negotiating position because TO is basically a requirement for him, as I understand it, and conversely, Leafs will already be pretty heavy on offensive power. Exacerbated if success stays stagnant, and moreso even if he's a winger by then.

 

[Petrus]

If the Leafs go deep in the playoffs it’ll be because Bertuzzi goes into playoff mode, it that happens he’ll be asking for a lot more that’s for damn sure………


Here’s a question, how do you blow up the core when no one in the core can be traded? This team is handcuffed in so many ways it’s ridiculous………..

Nylander can be traded

Nylander has a 10 team no trade list.

How much will Nylander fetch at the trade deadline with 50% retention?

That would be his worth but I'm expecting a healthy discount. He will be in a poor negotiating position because TO is basically a requirement for him, as I understand it, and conversely, Leafs will already be pretty heavy on offensive power. Exacerbated if success stays stagnant, and moreso even if he's a winger by then.

Time to move on from Tavares and just re-allocate his salary to the d-corps.

 

[LeafEgo]

Time to move on from Tavares and just re-allocate his salary to the d-corps.

Yeah thats kinda where the negotiating power comes into play. If JT needs Toronto significantly more than the Toronto needs JT, then the negotiating is lopsided and becomes JT getting whatever works for the Leafs. That could end up being a steal for a slot in the middle six. Anything from 2C to 3rd line winger depending on where he is at by then.

 

[notDatsyuk]

In the. Entire history of the NHL Has there ever been a 3c who was a ppg player? JT would be a number 1 center on half the teams in the league.

Let’s play him 8 minutes a game and see if he’s still a ppg. lol!

In the entire history of the NHL has there ever been a 3c who played virtually every game with one or the other of two of the best right wingers in the league, and played on one of the top powerplays?

 

[rumman]

Nylander can be traded

Nylander has a 10 team no trade list.

How much will Nylander fetch at the trade deadline with 50% retention?



Time to move on from Tavares and just re-allocate his salary to the d-corps.

Trading one of the core isn’t exactly what I’d call blowing up the core, but that’s just me………

 

[ACC1224]

Well, I'm talking about asking him to waive this summer possibly.

As far as his next contract and the "no doubt" remark, he was much closer to Matthews than Nylander the last time the contracts were done; there is no reason to expect different next time.

Agreed his value isn’t that far off. The last time was terrible negotiating by the GM, he needed to take Marners initial offer but chose to sign Matthews first instead.

 

[RunItBackAgain]

In the. Entire history of the NHL Has there ever been a 3c who was a ppg player? JT would be a number 1 center on half the teams in the league.

Let’s play him 8 minutes a game and see if he’s still a ppg. lol!

If you think he looks good on PP1 idk what to tell you. He’s on pace for 6 PP goals this year while standing net front on one of the best units in the game. I honestly think we could put just about anyone on the entire team there and get similar or better results.

He is also on pace for 25 goals this year overall. If you think he’s a 1C on half the teams I will just say you’re dead wrong, at this stage of his career. IMO he’s being propped up by being force fed ice time with our best players who he’s been coat tailing for quite some time.

He also has a lower PPG than Rielly in the playoffs and barely makes the PPG range for a 2nd line player when it counts. We played 11 playoff games last year and he scored in 2 of them. I honestly think ~12-14 minutes a game would be perfect for him at this point and maybe he will have a step left to take in game 83.