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What is your limit for a "Cap %" for Nylander


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Duh, yeah that’s the scenario, lets see how they play without Woll, and whether the stars show up game in game out before we anoint them a playoff spot……..

oh, and the D, lets hope they can defend………
Come on, you can't be serious. This team is in danger of missing the playoffs like I'm in danger of being hit on by a 22 year old at the bar. Within a month they will be at or near the division lead.
 
Well, Nylander was back tonight.

Matthews with 2, but Nylander was carrying in the puck all night long, and setting up multiple opportunities.
I'm sure his agent noticed as well. lol

Come on, you can't be serious. This team is in danger of missing the playoffs like I'm in danger of being hit on by a 22 year old at the bar. Within a month they will be at or near the division lead.
Missing the playoffs isn't the concern, though; losing Willy for nothing is—at least for me.
 
Maybe playing your best in your contract year is harder work than he thought it would be?The guy certainly lit it up for a few games, but he’s now come back down to earth imo……..
Even playing with a sub-par Matthews he has 5 points in his new four game point streak, setting up both of Matty's goals tonight and playing strong defensively.

Still leading the team in assists and points.
 
Not referring to points or his demeanour. Earlier in the year he was carrying the puck with purpose, was always the alpha dog on the ice. He’s looked more ordinary lately.
Lately he's been playing with the only guy on the team who might be better.

To an extent he knows his job is to set up Matty and he's been doing that. A couple finally went in tonight.
 
Come on, you can't be serious. This team is in danger of missing the playoffs like I'm in danger of being hit on by a 22 year old at the bar. Within a month they will be at or near the division lead.
I didn’t state they were in danger of anything, I just said if the goaltending, D and stars didn’t play better it’s a possibility. I treat it like the cap going up, it’s not certain until it’s certain. Samsonov getting a shutout, the team only allowing 19 shots, and 34 potting 2 goals is a good start. I didn’t see last nights game, but those are stats that can’t be argued with………
 
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Lately he's been playing with the only guy on the team who might be better.

To an extent he knows his job is to set up Matty and he's been doing that. A couple finally went in tonight.

Knies-Matthews-Nylander line is pretty good.

It's a first line you could see in 2 years.

Not sure about the other "first" line in 2 years?

?-?-marner

Robertson-?-marner
Do they re-sign Tavares ... I think so. Will he be capable of?

Leafs RW heavy.
Robertson/RW Cowan/RW Grebyonkin-Tavares-marner
 
I didn’t state they were in danger of anything, I just said if the goaltending, D and stars didn’t play better it’s a possibility. I treat it like the cap going up, it’s not certain until it’s certain. Samsonov getting a shutout, the team only allowing 19 shots, and 34 potting 2 goals is a good start. I didn’t see last nights game, but those are stats that can’t be argued with………
They played very well indeed and those stats paint an accurate picture, this was possibly their best game of the season. But you're right, it's a good start and nothing more than that, would be a mistake to assume anything going forward. I think the Leafs will eventually start playing the way they can and make the playoffs easily but you never know, and there's always the possibility of injuries so missing the playoffs is possible of course. Just keep in mind you're talking with @Evilhomer who has a habit of stating his opinions as if they were immutable facts. :)
 
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They played very well indeed and those stats paint an accurate picture, this was possibly their best game of the season. But you're right, it's a good start and nothing more than that, would be a mistake to assume anything going forward. I think the Leafs will eventually start playing the way they can and make the playoffs easily but you never know, and there's always the possibility of injuries so missing the playoffs is possible of course. Just keep in mind you're talking with @Evilhomer who has a habit of stating his opinions as if they were immutable facts. :)
Ha ha, I love his positivity, at least he’s consistent. I hate reading post where if the Leafs lose posters rag the team, and the next game the same crowd laud the team as Cup contenders, for me, those are hard posts to read. I think the team is poorly designed as I’ve stated too many times, but I call them what they are: a few elite players surrounded by a supporting cast that has limitations due to too much of the cap going to four players. They look like contenders when the high priced talent live up to their contracts and look like a team that is on the fringes of making the playoffs when said talent don’t earn their keep………
 
Ha ha, I love his positivity, at least he’s consistent. I hate reading post where if the Leafs lose posters rag the team, and the next game the same crowd laud the team as Cup contenders, for me, those are hard posts to read. I think the team is poorly designed as I’ve stated too many times, but I call them what they are: a few elite players surrounded by a supporting cast that has limitations due to too much of the cap going to four players. They look like contenders when the high priced talent live up to their contracts and look like a team that is on the fringes of making the playoffs when said talent don’t earn their keep………
IMO the main problem isn't cap allocation, it's not ideal but it's not such that it makes winning impossible either. For me it's that M&M lack the character and leadership qualities that you'd like your leaders to have. Swap out M&M&Nylander for MacKinnon and the Tkachuk brothers even at the same cap hits (just as an example) and our cup chances go way up. JMHO.
 
Knies-Matthews-Nylander line is pretty good.

It's a first line you could see in 2 years.

Not sure about the other "first" line in 2 years?

?-?-marner

Robertson-?-marner
Do they re-sign Tavares ... I think so. Will he be capable of?

Leafs RW heavy.
Robertson/RW Cowan/RW Grebyonkin-Tavares-marner
I think Willy will be 2C. Maybe Mitch back with Matty, Robertson with Willy and JT 3C or wing.
 
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IMO the main problem isn't cap allocation, it's not ideal but it's not such that it makes winning impossible either. For me it's that M&M lack the character and leadership qualities that you'd like your leaders to have. Swap out M&M&Nylander for MacKinnon and the Tkachuk brothers even at the same cap hits (just as an example) and our cup chances go way up. JMHO.
"Swap out M&M&Nylander for MacKinnon and the Tkachuk brothers" now I know what I want for Christmas, please please Santa................

I think Willy will be 2C. Maybe Mitch back with Matty, Robertson with Willy and JT 3C or wing.
not the worse idea I've heard, Domi for 4th line centre gives you a pretty deep middle imo........
 
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I don't think he can make less then Marner. They are at least equal now.
Until the leafs give him an ultimatem we can speculate all day
If he likes toronto he can sign now
If he wants 11 million start a bidding war
Coyote of young players in LA I'd 👍
 
I don't think he can make less then Marner. They are at least equal now.
lets let the season finish first, in each of the last 5 season's Marner has hit 90 points or paced 90+ Nylanders career high is 87.

25-30 games of Marner's not so great season while Nylander has his best start to his season in a contract year no less, doesn't put him on Marner's level. nor does he or has he been relied upon to kill penalties like Marner has.

he is not on Marner's level. I don't see the argument at all. Nylander is a great player don't get me wrong but not on Marner's level both offensively and defensively.
 
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lets let the season finish first, in each of the last 5 season's Marner has hit 90 points or paced 90+ Nylanders career high is 87.

25-30 games of Marner's not so great season while Nylander has his best start to his season in a contract year no less, doesn't put him on Marner's level. nor does he or has he been relied upon to kill penalties like Marner has.

he is not on Marner's level. I don't see the argument at all. Nylander is a great player don't get me wrong but not on Marner's level both offensively and defensively.
Nylander much more dangerous offensive player now. Marner is great on the PK but you can get somebody to kill penalties much cheaper. As things stand now, hard to decide which player is "better" and which one to keep but I would lean to Willie.
 
Nylander much more dangerous offensive player now. Marner is great on the PK but you can get somebody to kill penalties much cheaper. As things stand now, hard to decide which player is "better" and which one to keep but I would lean to Willie.

how is he a much more dangerous offensive player now? if you are taking 26 games over the previous 5 season's of results then you must also believe Jack Hughes is on McDavid's Level or that JT Miller > Draisaitl and Mackinnon. is that the case as well?

because there's no point prior to the start of this season where Nylander was a more dangerous offensive talent then Marner
 
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how is he a much more dangerous offensive player now? if you are taking 26 games over the previous 5 season's of results then you must also believe Jack Hughes is on McDavid's Level or that JT Miller > Draisaitl and Mackinnon. is that the case as well?

because there's no point prior to the start of this season where Nylander was a more dangerous offensive talent then Marner
When picking between Willie and Mitch, you have to predict who will be the better player going forward. Unless what we have seen from Wilie these 26 games is a mirage, I lean to Willie. Willie is both an elite playmaker, skater, goal scorer and threat. There was a time when I thought Willie was not the guy teams focused on and worried about going into a game. He has changed my opinion of him. He has been a MFing beast while Mitch has been a shadow of himself 5 on 5.
 
how is he a much more dangerous offensive player now? if you are taking 26 games over the previous 5 season's of results then you must also believe Jack Hughes is on McDavid's Level or that JT Miller > Draisaitl and Mackinnon. is that the case as well?

because there's no point prior to the start of this season where Nylander was a more dangerous offensive talent then Marner
In the playoffs, you could make an argument that Nylander's been better. In the 4 playoffs since Marner's contract kicked in, IIRC Marner has just one more point than Nylander, but Nylander has many more goals. Marner also didn't get taken off PP1 last playoffs and he benefits from playing with Mr. Rocket Matthews which helps his assist totals so bottom line, if I badly need a goal and I have choice between sending Marner or Nylander out there, I choose Nylander.
 
When picking between Willie and Mitch, you have to predict who will be the better player going forward. Unless what we have seen from Wilie these 26 games is a mirage, I lean to Willie. Willie is both an elite playmaker, skater, goal scorer and threat. There was a time when I thought Willie was not the guy teams focused on and worried about going into a game. He has changed my opinion of him. He has been a MFing beast while Mitch has been a shadow of himself 5 on 5.

so your taking a 26 game sample vs the whole career as to why Nylander is on Marner's level or better.

Nylander might be an Elite skater from using his edges and puck protection. but he's not elite at anything else. his top speed is not elite. he was 47th in assist last year, he also only broke 40 goals for the first time last year. only hit 30 goals 3 times. he's not an elite playmaker or goal scorer. he's got 9 more goals then Marner has in the previous 2 season's. Marner is closer to Nylanders goal scoring then Nylander is to Marner's playmaking.

Edit: I also want to point out that you acknowledged Marner's superior defensive game over Nylanders so to be on Marner's level he needs to exceed that of Marner's offensive game in order to be as good.
 
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In the playoffs, you could make an argument that Nylander's been better. In the 4 playoffs since Marner's contract kicked in, IIRC Marner has just one more point than Nylander, but Nylander has many more goals. Marner also didn't get taken off PP1 last playoffs and he benefits from playing with Mr. Rocket Matthews which helps his assist totals so bottom line, if I badly need a goal and I have choice between sending Marner or Nylander out there, I choose Nylander.

Matthews becomes an Rocket winner because he's playing with an Elite playmaker. which is not a knock on Matthews either because he's an elite Goal scorer but no one scores 60 in today's NHL without an elite playmaker. and I don't get the argument Nylander more likely to score when needing a goal because Marner is more likely to create a scoring chance for someone else out of no where because of his vision and playmaking. Nylander is more of a 50/50 player while Marner is more of a 30/70 player. but I think people make to much of goals and dismiss assist. can't score many goals unless other players put you in positions to score.

Marner is also much more likely to be out on the Ice defending a 1 goal lead late in games to secure wins.
 
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Certainly will, Mathews 13.5, Marner 11 you have 15.5 left for 2 guys….Rielly at 7.5 so 8 left for someone and we don’t have William or JT
Why does rielly come up at all his contract already kicced in money off the books doesn’t need to be allocated to him and I believe we can win paying those 3
 
Matthews becomes an Rocket winner because he's playing with an Elite playmaker. which is not a knock on Matthews either because he's an elite Goal scorer but no one scores 60 in today's NHL without an elite playmaker. and I don't get the argument Nylander more likely to score when needing a goal because Marner is more likely to create a scoring chance for someone else out of no where because of his vision and playmaking. Nylander is more of a 50/50 player while Marner is more of a 30/70 player. but I think people make to much of goals and dismiss assist. can't score many goals unless other players put you in positions to score.

Marner is also much more likely to be out on the Ice defending a 1 goal lead late in games to secure wins.
It sounds like you worked really hard to find a way to say marners play making is better than nylanders I would argue that the fact nylander is a way better scorer and a slightly worse passer means nylanders actually the better playmaker let that marinate …most of the big plays to tie or win come off nylanders stic usually not marners dating bac to last year
 
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