Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[notDatsyuk]

language is lost on people like you. learn how to comprehend English with CONTEXT.

You used a word that didn't mean what you thought it meant, and omitted context that invalidated your point, and you complain that language is lost on me?

 

[Suntouchable13]

you are completely omitting the context in which i said it.

"extending JT isnt the right move at all imo, i like him as a player but hes not a great 5v5 and hes not going to get faster or stronger going forward. the league is going younger and is faster than ever so JT just doesnt make sense to me. just my opinion though."

hes being paid like a top 10 player in the league, when in reality hes a good/very good 2nd line player currently, but he isnt fast and he does struggle 5v5(outside of the start this year where nylander is carrying) the point of this was to say in 2 years hes going to be going into his age 35 season and i dont believe he shouldnt be resigned because hes going to struggle more and more given how skilled and fast the league is now. nothing wrong with pointing out weaknesses in players when considering whether they fit the club going forward.

That's the thing. Leafs should have done something in JT's first couple of years because now he is overpaid and I think it's hurting them. 19 points in 17 games, though, but yea his money could be used for top 4 d-men.

 

[notDatsyuk]

End of streak - I guess Willy's back to a $6M player?

 

[arso40]

We need to swap jt and matthews see how that looks

 

[Sundinisagod]

Which contract would you prefer we give Styles?

11m x 8 years (playing ages 28-35)

OR

11.88m x 5 years (playing ages 28-32)

 

[arso40]

Which contract would you prefer we give Styles?

11m x 8 years (playing ages 28-35)

OR

11.88m x 5 years (playing ages 28-32)

Maybe he likes the 5 I rather the 8 personally

 

[kb]

Maybe he likes the 5 I rather the 8 personally

No one is giving him 11 at 33, so he'd be dumb to take the shorter one.

 

[hotpaws]

JT has brain damage , he thought it was a good decision to skate into 4 pens

 

[Leafblooded]

Matthews passing to no one again

 

[Dragao6]

Which contract would you prefer we give Styles?

11m x 8 years (playing ages 28-35)

OR

11.88m x 5 years (playing ages 28-32)

How about 8x10 or walk

 

[Sundinisagod]

How about 8x10 or walk

I would not let him walk over a million bucks per…

 

[Dragao6]

I would not let him walk over a million bucks per…

I wouldnt either
That’s why you trade him

Because overpaying 11 for him, like what happened with tavares, means you also overpay for 16 and prob 91 also so o an extent

 

[34]

At this point you have to trade Willy. I have changed my stance on him. He is not worth the money he is demanding. Try to find a sign and trade partner for him to maximize the return. The Leafs can absolutely not pay him the $10M + he is demanding. No way.

 

[rumman]

No movement clause, limited no trade only AND Tre pinkie promises he won’t trade him, just like boy wonder did………

 

[notDatsyuk]

I wouldnt either
That’s why you trade him

Because overpaying 11 for him, like what happened with tavares, means you also overpay for 16 and prob 91 also so o an extent

$11M isn't overpaying Nylander.

Tavares and Marner were overpaid on their last contracts. Mitch may be again, and anything more than $5M on JT's next contract is definitely overpaying.

 

[arso40]

At this point you have to trade Willy. I have changed my stance on him. He is not worth the money he is demanding. Try to find a sign and trade partner for him to maximize the return. The Leafs can absolutely not pay him the $10M + he is demanding. No way.

Then you have the team you have now with what you get from the trade …. I mean the future looks pretty good couple forwards in the pipeline defence is a little weak goaltending looks strong like I understand we wanna correct the cap but time passing is going to do that so there’s no need to do it just cause we’re mad at his teammates

 

[Buds17]

Which contract would you prefer we give Styles?

11m x 8 years (playing ages 28-35)

OR

11.88m x 5 years (playing ages 28-32)

More term and even a slightly lower AAV makes for an easy decision.

 

[hullsy47]

It makes no sense to let Marner walk

How did Calgary turn out when Gaudreau walked?

You can't even trade Marner against his wishes until UFA because of his NMC

Nylander can be traded

If u think willy will get better then treliving is approaching marners agent to see if he'll move
But why would u want a 45 million core 4 that can't win
?
It's just plain ludicrous
I mean dubas really thought he could use mediocre defenseman and headcase goalies and outscore every team is obviously elementary school thinking.
2 more 5.5 million dollar defenseman would likely make the goaltending and prospects of a cup look better

 

[ToneDog]

Move Willie up with Matty and let's see if he can handle the tougher matchups before we pay him like he can.

 

[Mess]

$11M isn't overpaying Nylander.

Tavares and Marner were overpaid on their last contracts. Mitch may be again, and anything more than $5M on JT's next contract is definitely overpaying.

Here are the current top AAV cap hit contracts for Wingers where Willy currently sits #13. It would really be hard to see Nylander above Kucherov, Tkachuk, Rantanen etc who make $9.5 mil AAV.

This is likely why Leafs offer is <$10 mil when looking at what the market it paying for the best wingers in the game.

PS. Marner should be at $8.5 mil and not $10.9 mil.

 

[ToneDog]

Here are the current top AAV cap hit contracts for Wingers where Willy currently sits #13. It would really be hard to see Nylander above Kucherov, Tkachuk, Rantanen etc who make $9.5 mil AAV.

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This is likely why Leafs offer is <$10 mil when looking at what the market it paying for the best wingers in the game.

PS. Marner should be at $8.5 mil and not $10.9 mil.

Mitch on pace to score 21.5 goals. Team is not leading in the last minute so no EN goals.

 

[Mess]

Move Willie up with Matty and let's see if he can handle the tougher matchups before we pay him like he can.

I'm of the opinion if you that if you're going to pay ANY player double digit AAV then the first test should be can they drive and carry their own line. Once you go agree they can then you construct your line-up where that player does in fact do that..

If you're going to put a winger like Nylander or Marner with Matthews/Tavares as #1C then they shouldn't be dependent on those elite playmaking / goal scoring players to carry them offensively to validate the high cost of their wingers Cap hit contracts. Winger's who get their point totals inflated by their centres should have their contracts reflect they're being carried offensively/statistically as SIDEKICKS because essentially their Robin to their Batman centres.

Leafs ALMOST got this test right with Willy this summer, when they asked him to center his own line independent of AM/JT and still produce at 5v5 and carry his own line if he wanted a contract that >$10 mil.

Giving Willy >$10 mil makes Leafs team building & cap management plan even more flawed because you have all your eggs in essentially your top 2 lines > 1/2 you entrie Cap space allotment, and you can't build a Cup contending team thoughout your bottom 6 forward, Dcore and goaltending.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Here are the current top AAV cap hit contracts for Wingers where Willy currently sits #13. It would really be hard to see Nylander above Kucherov, Tkachuk, Rantanen etc who make $9.5 mil AAV.

View attachment 773934

This is likely why Leafs offer is <$10 mil when looking at what the market it paying for the best wingers in the game.

PS. Marner should be at $8.5 mil and not $10.9 mil.

Kucherov signed in 2018, Rantanen in 2019, Tkachuk in 2022. Slightly different than Nylander in 2024, but I get your point.

More proof the Leafs cap is fornicated?

 

[Arzak]

You used a word that didn't mean what you thought it meant, and omitted context that invalidated your point, and you complain that language is lost on me?

You have to admit, it's a slick move

I have to remember that one. Use fancy words without knowing their meaning, if they call you out : "context much?"


ROFL

 

[notDatsyuk]

I'm of the opinion if you that if you're going to pay ANY player double digit AAV then the first test should be can they drive and carry their own line. Once you go agree they can then you construct your line-up where that player does in fact do that..

If you're going to put a winger like Nylander or Marner with Matthews/Tavares as #1C then they shouldn't be dependent on those elite playmaking / goal scoring players to carry them offensively to validate the high cost of their wingers Cap hit contracts. Winger's who get their point totals inflated by their centres should have their contracts reflect they're being carried offensively/statistically as SIDEKICKS because essentially their Robin to their Batman centres.

Leafs ALMOST got this test right with Willy this summer, when they asked him to center his own line independent of AM/JT and still produce at 5v5 and carry his own line if he wanted a contract that >$10 mil.

Giving Willy >$10 mil makes Leafs team building & cap management plan even more flawed because you have all your eggs in essentially your top 2 lines > 1/2 you entrie Cap space allotment, and you can't build a Cup contending team thoughout your bottom 6 forward, Dcore and goaltending.

Mostly agree, although I think, this year in particular, that Nylander has been carrying that line and Tavares has been getting the inflated point totals.

But yes, Willy should be centering his own line, and probably should have been given the chance instead of signing JT.