Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Evilhomer]

But how expensive are the professional tax advisors in Canada compared to the US?

Ha, US legal and tax fees in the US versus Canada? I wish I could charge what US Attorney's charge.

 

[LeafGrief]

What are you smoking?


Marner got $11M as RFA - no major award, not really close to top goal or point producer. The same Marner that's talking about the supporting cast stepping up after a failed playoff series?

It's not just the core 4 Mitch Marner? I can't even imagine this Mitch going 180 saying I don't deserve a raise.


Mitch is making $12M +. Too valuable on PK.

You build your championship team around your elite PK (mind you- elite player not PK unit). You're no-contact hockey playing, goal-challenged winger.

You missed the joke lol

 

[notDatsyuk]

Ha, US legal and tax fees in the US versus Canada? I wish I could charge what US Attorney's charge.

One of my sons is a refugee lawyer here. (He's also a goalie, so clearly has masochistic tendencies.)

 

[Evilhomer]

One of my sons is a refugee lawyer here. (He's also a goalie, so clearly has masochistic tendencies.)

Good for him for choosing something that he enjoys. That isn't an easy area to practice in.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Good for him for choosing something that he enjoys. That isn't an easy area to practice in.

He's been at it for about 5 years, and his 'winning percentage' is apparently about .900.

The family in one of the cases he won named their new-born son after him (middle name).

I'm one proud papa!

 

[Evilhomer]

He's been at it for about 5 years, and his 'winning percentage' is apparently about .900.

The family in one of the cases he won named their new-born son after him (middle name).

I'm one proud papa!

I make wealthy people wealthier, yet I don't make myself wealthy in the process. Satisfying.

 

[Notsince67]

I'm trading Matthews and Marner before I'm moving Nylander.

No you wont.

I wouldn't say Matthews, but certainly Tavares and Marner.

Well I'm going to stop time before I see the Leafs lose again.

 

[nuck]

All we need to do is sure up the d we will be fine

That is a massive thing to do as the D has never been shored up in the Shanahan era. The Klinger add could be the weirdest option to improve the club since Malgin and Malgin was not a $4M add. The D corps currently has 1 guy at the top of his game, then Brodie who is okay except with no offense and then whatever the rest are supposed to be. Its early and seasons aren't won or lost in the in the first 17 games (except in Edmonton) but the 12 overall Leafs don't have at top 12 defense group right now and that is a real concern. If they can fix the D I agree the the rest could fall into place but man thats a tough nut with no cap.

 

[therealkoho]

@Gary Nylund

I woulda quoted you but there was just way too much text, but I did read it

That Tangerinee feller that played a big time businessman on the tube a few years back. Bragged to a lot of people that he almost never pays taxes because of his galaxy brain bein smrter than some of the other smart fellers. That is includin that really smart English man name a Russell.

 

[therealkoho]

I wouldn't say Matthews, but certainly Tavares and Marner.

Wrong guys

 

[Drytoast]

Huh? You sound like nylander personally did something to you you wouldn’t pay him over 9.5?? Thank god your not the one signing the checcs cause that’s crazy are you watching him you would rather bet on Matthew and marner figuring it out marner who looks like he’s hit a wall the last 2 years, the only two players that bring it in game 7 is rielly and willie your watching willie dominate like only mcdavid and mac have and you want to trade that and depend on that??

Matthews is signed and Marner has a ntc. Nylanders gotta go.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Matthews is signed and Marner has a ntc. Nylanders gotta go.

This analysis is too deep for me, do you think you could break it down in simpler terms?

 

[kb]

Matthews is signed and Marner has a ntc. Nylanders gotta go.

no he doesn't

 

[rumman]

While I don’t disagree with the general and historic notion that more fiscal conservativism would have helped the Leafs a lot between 2019-now, the horse is already out of the barn and we are moving into a post flat cap world. So whatever notion of depth you wanted to solve by booting this year’s leading scorer is a pretty bad idea.

You say you want a more balanced cap. I think that makes sense in theory but not always in practice. Nylander at $11 million sure looks awful on paper but the $3-$5 million range can often be a disaster zone for contracts. Are we better off with a real superstar, or 2x Domi’s and Brodie. Or a Bertuzzi and Brodie. Or Muzzin and Bertuzzi. Or 3x Nick Ritchies. I can go down the list of those middle class players that didn’t work out.

At the end of the day, if we were swapping out Nylander for Cale Makar at least you could say we shifted our elite player to another position. But that doesn’t seem to be on the table at all. So why are we getting more balanced and worse to make a better budget on paper when the cap environment is going to be very different in 2 years time?

I love how counting chickens before they’ve hatch is so prevalent in this forum, nothing’s certain but death and taxes………

 

[Evilhomer]

I love how counting chickens before they’ve hatch is so prevalent in this forum, nothing’s certain but death and taxes………

I don't know that I would count on massive increases to the cap. The economy is teetering, and is only going to get worse.

 

[ashs]

Luv willie but his value is sky high. I would trade him. If McDavid is truly available I would sell the farm for him

 

[Drytoast]

no he doesn't

Oh you are correct, he doesn't HAVE to go. We could certainly pay him what he wants! 11-12...hell max him out!

But we won't win anything with him at that price.

 

[kliq]

Has there ever been a situation in the history of the NHL where a team is all in, and they trade a pending UFA superstar for asset management purposes?

 

[Menzinger]

While I don’t disagree with the general and historic notion that more fiscal conservativism would have helped the Leafs a lot between 2019-now, the horse is already out of the barn and we are moving into a post flat cap world. So whatever notion of depth you wanted to solve by booting this year’s leading scorer is a pretty bad idea.

You say you want a more balanced cap. I think that makes sense in theory but not always in practice. Nylander at $11 million sure looks awful on paper but the $3-$5 million range can often be a disaster zone for contracts. Are we better off with a real superstar, or 2x Domi’s and Brodie. Or a Bertuzzi and Brodie. Or Muzzin and Bertuzzi. Or 3x Nick Ritchies. I can go down the list of those middle class players that didn’t work out.

At the end of the day, if we were swapping out Nylander for Cale Makar at least you could say we shifted our elite player to another position. But that doesn’t seem to be on the table at all. So why are we getting more balanced and worse to make a better budget on paper when the cap environment is going to be very different in 2 years time?

The strangest notion I keep seeing is that removing one of the Leafs stars will give the team depth.... Capspace isn't depth, it just means the team can spend more on veterans in July.

And even then, the best free agency contracts are almost always bargain bin cheap gambles and the worst are always giving 'middle tier/class's support players longer term deals.

Having more money to spend on 3rd liners isn't the path to a cup that some think.

 

[Stephen]

The strangest notion I keep seeing is that removing one of the Leafs stars will give the team depth.... Capspace isn't depth, it just means the team can spend more on veterans in July.

And even then, the best free agency contracts are almost always bargain bin cheap gambles and the worst are always giving 'middle tier/class's support players longer term deals.

Having more money to spend on 3rd liners isn't the path to a cup that some think.

Yeah, two things about that.

One is the depth vs contract discussion makes more sense when you’re talking about a “Survivor” situation where a team chooses between letting a star walk to pay for a couple of other guys. Like if we were in a situation to let Nylander go but Knies and Cowan had broken out and were ready to be front line players for the same cost. Not the same when you have to go mercenary route and manufacture that depth. Bird in hand vs 2 in the bush…

Second. The $3-$6 million UFA price range is an island of misfit toys. So it doesn’t give me that much comfort to walk away from a homegrown star at $10 million or whatever so I can have two or three of those guys. Just look at Klingberg, Domi and Bertuzzi.

 

[kb]

Has there ever been a situation in the history of the NHL where a team is all in, and they trade a pending UFA superstar for asset management purposes?

Other than Shattenkirk (who wasn't aa superstar), no team in the history of the league has been that idiotic. lol

 

[Notsince67]

Wrong guys

I might as well put it out there that the Leafs should trade Sidney Crosby from Pittsburgh to get some leafs depth. I wonder how many posts it would take to explain to some here why we couldn't do it.

 

[81Leafs50]

Perennial means 'every year'. He scored 30 and was (barely) ppg last year, both for the first time in four years.

I know you only used the time since JT started, but as I showed in my example (which you deleted from your reply), that can be misleading. Also, yes, 4 more goals, but in 128 more games. Context is important.

Yes, Tavares is very good at faceoffs and scoring when he's given the puck in the slot. But there are a lot of older and younger players who can do a lot of things that Tavares cannot do - vague blanket statements are basically meaningless.

language is lost on people like you. learn how to comprehend English with CONTEXT.

show me where i said JT is a bad player, ill wait.
the original post in this conversation i said i like him as a player, but signing him to a multi-year deal at 7 million per at 35 is not a good idea, throwing stats at me is fine and all but doesnt change the type of player he will be going forward and doesnt make resigning him at 35 a good idea.

YOU literally said this .... "he scores 50% of his points on the PP, his advanced stats 5v5 are not very pretty and hes not a fast player."

this is not speaking positively about someone. This is saying he is not good.

 

[djdev]

language is lost on people like you. learn how to comprehend English with CONTEXT.


YOU literally said this .... "he scores 50% of his points on the PP, his advanced stats 5v5 are not very pretty and hes not a fast player."

this is not speaking positively about someone. This is saying he is not good.

you are completely omitting the context in which i said it.

"extending JT isnt the right move at all imo, i like him as a player but hes not a great 5v5 and hes not going to get faster or stronger going forward. the league is going younger and is faster than ever so JT just doesnt make sense to me. just my opinion though."

hes being paid like a top 10 player in the league, when in reality hes a good/very good 2nd line player currently, but he isnt fast and he does struggle 5v5(outside of the start this year where nylander is carrying) the point of this was to say in 2 years hes going to be going into his age 35 season and i dont believe he should be resigned because hes going to struggle more and more given how skilled and fast the league is now. nothing wrong with pointing out weaknesses in players when considering whether they fit the club going forward.

 

[Gary Nylund]

you are completely omitting the context in which i said it.

"extending JT isnt the right move at all imo, i like him as a player but hes not a great 5v5 and hes not going to get faster or stronger going forward. the league is going younger and is faster than ever so JT just doesnt make sense to me. just my opinion though."

hes being paid like a top 10 player in the league, when in reality hes a good/very good 2nd line player currently, but he isnt fast and he does struggle 5v5(outside of the start this year where nylander is carrying) the point of this was to say in 2 years hes going to be going into his age 35 season and i dont believe he shouldnt be resigned because hes going to struggle more and more given how skilled and fast the league is now. nothing wrong with pointing out weaknesses in players when considering whether they fit the club going forward.

Unless you what kind of cap hit we're talking about here, this statement makes no sense whatsoever.