Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Drytoast]

What a load of F#cken nonsense.

1 playoff round won in 8 years.

 

[Menzinger]

1 playoff round won in 8 years.

Which isn't on Nylander.....

The return the Leafs get at the tdl for Willy isn't going to make the team better either, certainly not at least in the short term

 

[Drytoast]

Which isn't on Nylander.....

The return the Leafs get at the tdl for Willy isn't going to make the team better either, certainly not at least in the short term

It's on every single leader we have in the dressing room. Nylander hasn't taken over any game or series in the playoffs, has he? So if he hasn't...and he hasn't shown he can do that. Why the f*** does he think he deserves more than players who have shown they can?

I'm not f***ing impressed by regular season games where the opposing teams are sleepwalking half the time.

Show me your value when the games matter.

 

[PromisedLand]

Gotta sign Willy or trade him. Risking a premier asset like Willy walking is absolute STUPIDITY!

 

[Gary Nylund]

Gotta sign Willy or trade him. Risking a premier asset like Willy walking is absolute STUPIDITY!

What if they win the cup before he walks?

 

[Canadian Finn]

Maybe .. my point was Mitch would not have been playing ANY G AAA minor hockey without da many sponsors, including myself, who covered his fees on MANY different teams with corporate team sponsorships .. i do realize da G is a cesspool of these type of issues all in da name of NON PROFIT orgs HAHHAHAHAHAHA .. or da white envelopes from Hunter with da Knights .. this is a much bigger issue than Mitch .. sure Bonnie worked and did her best to support daily household costs .. but you do realize da costs of AAA G minor hockey today makes it almost completely unaffordable for da vast majority of da population

yes, it's understood.

which it's why anyone who puts their kids through AAA (especially in the GTA) is far from poor.

Marner acts like his father. An elitist twerp.

 

[Drytoast]

What if they win the cup before he walks?

what if a meteor hits the planet?

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

Well I am listing stuff based on what I see other elites on the other team that bully us in the playoffs seem to bring to the table. Especially the ones making the money he's asking for.

Matthew Ktachuk makes 9.5 for f*** sakes. Nylander doesn't bring the level of game in the games that matter that Ktachuk brings. Not even close. Now you could say that the cap has gone up since he signed that deal but then I can say "so?" Even still, even right now...Nylander's game isn't on the same level as Matt's. It's not even close.

So MAYBE with the cap going up, Willy is worth 9? 9.5? But he can f*** himself if he thinks he's worth more than players who have done more than he has in the games that matter the most.

Tkachuk doesn't pay state taxes.

Based on past performance Tkachuk is definitely the better player (Right now it looks like Nylander has caught up to him) so Nylander should slot in at a lower number than him theoretically. However, just for visualizing things, if both were to make the same amount Nylander would need to make a little over $12MM to take home the same amount as Tkachuk.

Florida salaries aren't a great comparable for most of the league. However the Leafs being able to front load deals should be more of a benefit, but for some reason that doesn't seem to be the case.

 

[Gary Nylund]

what if a meteor hits the planet?

That depends. Bad things for sure though.

 

[PromisedLand]

What if they win the cup before he walks?

What if I go on a cruise with victoria secret models was an only dude on the cruise and they all want me

 

[Gary Nylund]

What if I go on a cruise with victoria secret models was an only dude on the cruise and they all want me

You're not interested in discussion, OK. Here's the thing though, if you think this team has no shot at the cup, what's the long term plan? Trade Nylander and then what? Teams too good to tank, you still have Matthews, what's your plan for the future?

 

[Pengu]

Nylander will be an own rental if he doesn't sign, end of story. There is ZERO chance he'll get traded for picks and prospects at the deadline. Pure stuåidity to think a player with probably 70-80 pts at the deadline will get removed a couple of months before the playoffs.

 

[Arzak]

What if I go on a cruise with victoria secret models was an only dude on the cruise and they all want me

What are the odds of that? Vegas can give me odds on Leafs, but I got hard time finding you listed here

Nylander will be an own rental if he doesn't sign, end of story. There is ZERO chance he'll get traded for picks and prospects at the deadline. Pure stuåidity to think a player with probably 70-80 pts at the deadline will get removed a couple of months before the playoffs.

"Own rental" kills me every time, but yeah I agree that trading Nylander for two 2st just to trade them for Foligno might be counterproductive.


edit: Worst case scenario, we'll walk him to UFA and pay him 12M as UFA instead of 11M now.

 

[saffronleaf]

What if they win the cup before he walks?

and he wins the conn smythe

 

[arso40]

It's on every single leader we have in the dressing room. Nylander hasn't taken over any game or series in the playoffs, has he? So if he hasn't...and he hasn't shown he can do that. Why the f*** does he think he deserves more than players who have shown they can?

I'm not f***ing impressed by regular season games where the opposing teams are sleepwalking half the time.

Show me your value when the games matter.

Then sign him after the playoffs is over ………

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

at the end of the day i care about the TEAM, ive been watching almost 40 years. i dont care about individual players stats. i want the team to be fun to watch and i want to be able to watch more than 7 games of my team when hockey is the most fun and intense. whoever is on my team i will cheer for and when they are gone they are gone lol. im happy we have great players but if the cap restraints call for us to trade players(whoever the player is) to make our team better/deeper/more balanced and allow me to watch more good hockey and go for a cup thats literally all i care about.


i will be honest, i dont think marner even really likes playing for the leafs with all the pressure, which is a big thing in this market. matthews and willy seem more comfortable with it.
just a feeling though.

I agree with your assessment on Marner. I think he loved the idea of being a Leaf and winning a cup here at first but soured on Toronto after the constant (if warranted) criticism of their playoff success. He is already tight this season because he wanted to blow the doors off with a chance to break the bank next summer. I don't think he would mind winning a cup elsewhere on a team that doesn't have the scrutiny they do in Toronto.

Willy and Auston on the other hand don't care as much what the media says and can play without that pressure compared to MM.

 

[arso40]

Which isn't on Nylander.....

The return the Leafs get at the tdl for Willy isn't going to make the team better either, certainly not at least in the short term

It’ll most likely shrink our playoff window with matthews marner and rielly in there prime

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

It’ll most likely shrink our playoff window with matthews marner and rielly in there prime

At this point, we have to stop expecting Willy to give us a deal. He already did 5yrs ago and he certainly will not this time and I don't blame him. Why should he have to take less than the other guys? If he is worth less than Marner...why is he outplaying him in the playoffs every year (i know MM had points last year against TB..but they were bunched up in a few games) I would rather we pay him and if this ship sinks...trade them all later and redo this thing without having contracts be the center of all talk. I doubt any fanbase talks about contracts anywhere close to what we do. It's like we are all agents in the making for some God forsaken reason.

 

[PromisedLand]

You're not interested in discussion, OK. Here's the thing though, if you think this team has no shot at the cup, what's the long term plan? Trade Nylander and then what? Teams too good to tank, you still have Matthews, what's your plan for the future?

You have 2 options

1) Re-sign Nylander and then worry about the cap and the "cup" later when Tavares is off the cap
or
2) Trade Nylander and get futures which can then be traded. One can sign and trade to get "more" out of the deal too.

You can't let an asset like Nylander walk. The self rental only makes sense if the team has shown some promise in the playoffs. Leafs have done nothing but embarrass themselves in the playoffs - you don't gamble on an asset like Willy.

Leafs still can't navigate neutral zone trap; can cycle the puck and do not know how to play hard nosed hockey in the playoffs; and we have the same coach who continued to run matthews-marner as a duo against panthers when they did nothing but absolutely sucked.

Somethings gotta give. The what if game can produce many scenarios.

What if - Leafs got embarrassed again in the playoffs in the 1st round and Nylander walked as a UFA then what? Is that good?

 

[PromisedLand]

Biz has a man crush on Willy. He just needs to admit it

 

[Gary Nylund]

You have 2 options

1) Resign Nylander and then worry about the cap and the "cup" later when Tavares is off the cap
or
2) Trade Nylander and get futures which can then be traded. One can sign and trade to get "more" out of the deal too.

You can't let an asset like Nylander walk. The self rental only makes sense if the team has shown some promise in the playoffs. Leafs have done nothing but embarrass themselves in the playoffs - you don't gamble on an asset like Willy.

Leafs still can't navigate neutral zone trap; can cycle the puck and do not know how to play hard nosed hockey in the playoffs; and we have the same coach who continued to run matthews-marner as a duo against panthers when they did nothing but absolutely sucked.

Somethings gotta give. The what if game can produce many scenarios.

What if - Leafs got embarrassed again in the playoffs in the 1st round and Nylander walked as a UFA then what? Is that good?

You still haven't answered - trade Nylander and then what? What's your plan to win the cup? Trading him isn't going to help in the short term that's a given. You have all these other stars in their prime, Matthews has a full NMC, so does Marner, if you can't win the cup with Nylander, how do think you're going to win one without him?

 

[Jojalu]

1 playoff round won in 8 years.

This is the 8th year so maybe it will be 2-5 in 8 years.

 

[Evilhomer]

True but then why hasn't he signed yet?

They either haven't offered him enough money yet or given him whatever other contract terms he wants. I can't imagine it's any more complicated than that.

 

[Evilhomer]

You still haven't answered - trade Nylander and then what? What's your plan to win the cup? Trading him isn't going to help in the short term that's a given. You have all these other stars in their prime, Matthews has a full NMC, so does Marner, if you can't win the cup with Nylander, how do think you're going to win one without him?

Trading him is nonsensical. There is a reason that teams don't generally trade guys willingly. Sometimes a team has no choice because the player has demanded it, but that isn't the case here. Toronto won't trade him, and to be honest I would be shocked if they do anything other than pay him more than they originally intended. They won't let him go, and his agent knows that the biggest pile of money will come from Toronto, not from any other team. I suppose the one caveat is if Nylander's ego is big enough to make him want to be on a team where he is "the man". That won't happen in Toronto with Matthews here, but at the same time Nylander has never really given any indication that he wants to be the one in the spotlight.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Nylander to Chicago ?

It honestly surprises me, videos like this. Nylander is by far and away the most talented player in this organization. Has been for a number of years. I'm not seeing any sudden change in his game. He's playing the game like he's always done. He's just getting rewarded for it.

It seems that so many people around hockey are shocked with what he is doing. His natural ability is leaps and bounds ahead of Matthews and Marner.

I've been saying for years that he is our best player. The only thing that can go against us is he is always the one who gets the short straw. If something needs to be shaken up, Nylander will get the brunt. The decision to play ROR on the top PP unit instead of Nylander was sickening. Hopefully Brad can convince him that it is truly William's team.