Nylander contract discussion - New Poll

[Drytoast]

I agree the 'core' hasn't performed in the playoffs, but Willy is the one (hair notwithstanding) who hasn't faded "when it mattered most".

He also hasn't taken any games let alone a series by the horns.

So again. What are we paying for if not his fabulous hair?

Is he a 100 point player? No.

Does he back check in his own end?

No

Well does he hit?

No.

Rocket Richard winner?

No.

Fight?

No.

So what we have here is a top 10 league winger who is mid in the playoffs.

Yes. Mid. He doesn't disappear, but he doesn't dominate.

He's mid when it matters the most.

I ain't paying f*** all for this player. He's 9m max based on his short comings. And be lucky you are getting that.

 

[Arzak]

He also hasn't taken any games let alone a series by the horns.

So again. What are we paying for if not his fabulous hair?

Is he a 100 point player? No.

Does he back check in his own end?

No

Well does he hit?

No.

Rocket Richard winner?

No.

Fight?

No.

So what we have here is a top 10 league winger who is mid in the playoffs.

Yes. Mid. He doesn't disappear, but he doesn't dominate.

He's mid when it matters the most.

I ain't paying f*** all for this player. He's 9m max based on his short comings. And be lucky you are getting that.

you're pushing it, he back checks in his own end on occasions and he hits


Is Marner a 100 point player ?

No

Rocker Richard winner ?

No

Fight?

Don't make me laugh.

$11M as RFA

JT next?

 

[hotpaws]

and to be clear im not saying we should let anyone walk but im also not going 5 more years with 0 success before im trading 1 or 2 of these guys and trying again with other players while they are still worth a ton in trades.

now you're on to something but they'll all have nmc's so they'll have to waive and even if they do it'll limit the number of teams we can negotiate with to maximize the return

but i doubt they wouldn't waive since few people would want to stay where there not wanted except of course i'm told Johnny because he spent large on custom made Leaf jammies or something

 

[ToneDog]

He also hasn't taken any games let alone a series by the horns.

So again. What are we paying for if not his fabulous hair?

Is he a 100 point player? No.

Does he back check in his own end?

No

Well does he hit?

No.

Rocket Richard winner?

No.

Fight?

No.

So what we have here is a top 10 league winger who is mid in the playoffs.

Yes. Mid. He doesn't disappear, but he doesn't dominate.

He's mid when it matters the most.

I ain't paying f*** all for this player. He's 9m max based on his short comings. And be lucky you are getting that.

Willie holds most of the cards. Looks like Tre is gonna have to pay him or walk him to free agency. With every day that passes Willie's leverage increases. I was on the $9m or trade him train but I'd give him more after seeing him in these 17 games. Gotta hope he cools down but given he is on the PP and playing so well, he should be able to get a point per night sleepwalking.

 

[djdev]

at the end of the day i care about the TEAM, ive been watching almost 40 years. i dont care about individual players stats. i want the team to be fun to watch and i want to be able to watch more than 7 games of my team when hockey is the most fun and intense. whoever is on my team i will cheer for and when they are gone they are gone lol. im happy we have great players but if the cap restraints call for us to trade players(whoever the player is) to make our team better/deeper/more balanced and allow me to watch more good hockey and go for a cup thats literally all i care about.

now you're on to something but they'll all have nmc's so they'll have to waive and even if they do it'll limit the number of teams we can negotiate with to maximize the return

and i doubt they wouldn't waive since few people would want to stay where there not wanted except of course i'm told Johnny because he spent large on custom made Leaf jammies or something

i will be honest, i dont think marner even really likes playing for the leafs with all the pressure, which is a big thing in this market. matthews and willy seem more comfortable with it.
just a feeling though.

 

[arso40]

Willie holds most of the cards. Looks like Tre is gonna have to pay him or walk him to free agency. With every day that passes Willie's leverage increases. I was on the $9m or trade him train but I'd give him more after seeing him in these 17 games. Gotta hope he cools down but given he is on the PP and playing so well, he should be able to get a point per night sleepwalking.

Just stupid by the leafs sign Willy before season starts for 10 mil he’s in the prime position on the power play now too we can only hope it’s not too much more than that now

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Willy can do whatever he wants .. he does not need hockey income .. it is why he is always so QUIET and he never wants anyone to know about his family .. and why his family is so QUIET too .. Matty, Mitch and JT came from nothing and are building generational wealth .. da real issue is does he like living in Toronto .. no one gets very close to da Nylander's .. I take him at his word that he wants to sign here and I believe he wants to play here .. something will get done .. Willy is in no rush .. our Leafs have to do something before TDL one way or another because we can't lose a top tier player in da league for nothing

 

[ToneDog]

Just stupid by the leafs sign Willy before season starts for 10 mil he’s in the prime position on the power play now too we can only hope it’s not too much more than that now

In hindsight, yes, but who could have guessed Willie would be such a beast? He's been the most dangerous Leaf when Matty is not scoring hat tricks.

 

[arso40]

In hindsight, yes, but who could have guessed Willie would be such a beast? He's been the most dangerous Leaf when Matty is not scoring hat tricks.

He still been the most dangerous leaf that’s where the optimism stems from

 

[Evilhomer]

Willy can do whatever he wants .. he does not need hockey income .. it is why he is always so QUIET and he never wants anyone to know about his family .. and why his family is so QUIET too .. Matty, Mitch and JT came from nothing and are building generational wealth .. da real issue is does he like living in Toronto .. no one gets very close to da Nylander's .. I take him at his word that he wants to sign here and I believe he wants to play here .. something will get done .. Willy is in no rush .. our Leafs have to do something before TDL one way or another because we can't lose a top tier player in da league for nothing

I can't imagine there is any circumstance under which Toronto would trade Nylander before the trade deadline if he remains unsigned at that point.

 

[Enga Olly]

Yesterday I was thinking Leafs should max out at $10.5 x 6 for Willie but I think Poulin has a point, comparing his value to Marner is valid and he should get MM $. If it can be done (next year being the only really tricky year to accommodate all this), then do it. anything over $11, then let some other team find the cap space to fit in Willie Styles. Not sure if there's a team in the East that's competitive against the Leafs, that can, and that's the most worrisome. If we lose Nylander to Chicago or some other Western Conference team, I'm OK with that

 

[hotpaws]

i will be honest, i dont think marner even really likes playing for the leafs with all the pressure, which is a big thing in this market. matthews and willy seem more comfortable with it.
just a feeling though.

they all have have different personalities and the way i see it

Willie - laid back chill guy who seems to like the attention of a huge market and looks forward to the big games , pressure doesn't seem to bug him at all

AM - unshakably confident in his abilities but seems to love the lifestyle of being a pro athlete more than he cares about winning the big prize so losing doesn't affect him much

JT - loves the attention but believes as long as he gets his he did his job even if he's getting filled in when he's on the ice , played up his love for the Leafs as an excuse for playing the Islanders

Mitch - he grew late , always had to keep proving himself and i believe he takes more responsibility for losing more than the rest due to this , i also believe he loves being a Leaf the most along with Reilly

 

[hotpaws]

In hindsight, yes, but who could have guessed Willie would be such a beast? He's been the most dangerous Leaf when Matty is not scoring hat tricks.

it looks to me the difference this year is Willie has decided he's going to go out and play to the best of his abilities and not make changes to his game to get JT involved in every play

you watch him now and he's just flying and if JT's behind then he'll just make the best play and not be Marner lite and wait and buy time to create for Johnny

 

[Martin Skoula]

they all have have different personalities and the way i see it

Willie - laid back chill guy who seems to like the attention of a huge market and looks forward to the big games , pressure doesn't seem to bug him at all

AM - unshakably confident in his abilities but seems to love the lifestyle of being a pro athlete more than he cares about winning the big prize so losing doesn't affect him much

JT - loves the attention but believes as long as he gets his he did his job even if he's getting filled in when he on the ice , played up his love for the Leafs as an excuse for playing the Islanders

Mitch - he grew late and always had to keep proving himself and i believe he takes more responsibility for losing more than the rest due to this , i also believe he loves being a Leaf the most along with Reilly

If things go bad, Matthews and Nylander can request a trade, spend their summers at home, and never really have to think about Toronto again while enjoying the millionaire lifestyle with their friends.

If Mitch has a Huberdeau arc to the back half of his career there’s nowhere comfortable to run away to.

 

[Canadian Finn]

Willy can do whatever he wants .. he does not need hockey income .. it is why he is always so QUIET and he never wants anyone to know about his family .. and why his family is so QUIET too .. Matty, Mitch and JT came from nothing and are building generational wealth .. da real issue is does he like living in Toronto .. no one gets very close to da Nylander's .. I take him at his word that he wants to sign here and I believe he wants to play here .. something will get done .. Willy is in no rush .. our Leafs have to do something before TDL one way or another because we can't lose a top tier player in da league for nothing

Mitch came from nothing?

We must have vastly different idea of the meaning of "nothing".

 

[Beaumaris]

He also hasn't taken any games let alone a series by the horns.

So again. What are we paying for if not his fabulous hair?

Is he a 100 point player? No.

Does he back check in his own end?

No

Well does he hit?

No.

Rocket Richard winner?

No.

Fight?

No.

So what we have here is a top 10 league winger who is mid in the playoffs.

Yes. Mid. He doesn't disappear, but he doesn't dominate.

He's mid when it matters the most.

I ain't paying f*** all for this player. He's 9m max based on his short comings. And be lucky you are getting that.

What a load of F#cken nonsense.

 

[notDatsyuk]

i didnt misread your post, you said willy is the "only player that hasnt faded when it mattered most" i disagreed and showed you the stats to back that up. i even qualified the stats by saying its fine to think hes played better or more consistent etc.(espcially given salaries)

as for the bolded, im a grown man and im not going to get baited by somebody i dont know on the internet to continue a pointless argument that clearly isnt going anywhere. at the end of the day this conversation isnt going to change either of our minds and at this point we are just going in circles.

If you thought what you posted disproved what I said, then you very clearly misread my post. If you still can't see that, I don't know that to think.

It doesn't matter. If you think I was baiting you, I apologize.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He also hasn't taken any games let alone a series by the horns.

So again. What are we paying for if not his fabulous hair?

Is he a 100 point player? No.

Does he back check in his own end?

No

Well does he hit?

No.

Rocket Richard winner?

No.

Fight?

No.

So what we have here is a top 10 league winger who is mid in the playoffs.

Yes. Mid. He doesn't disappear, but he doesn't dominate.

He's mid when it matters the most.

I ain't paying f*** all for this player. He's 9m max based on his short comings. And be lucky you are getting that.

A very selective list of attributes.

Is he our best player in the playoffs? Possibly, along with Rielly.

If he's worth no more than 9 (and I'm not saying he is), then Matthews, Marner, and Tavares all all badly overpaid (which I think is true, thanks to Dubas).

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Mitch came from nothing?

We must have vastly different idea of the meaning of "nothing".

Maybe .. my point was Mitch would not have been playing ANY G AAA minor hockey without da many sponsors, including myself, who covered his fees on MANY different teams with corporate team sponsorships .. i do realize da G is a cesspool of these type of issues all in da name of NON PROFIT orgs HAHHAHAHAHAHA .. or da white envelopes from Hunter with da Knights .. this is a much bigger issue than Mitch .. sure Bonnie worked and did her best to support daily household costs .. but you do realize da costs of AAA G minor hockey today makes it almost completely unaffordable for da vast majority of da population

 

[JT AM da real deal]

I can't imagine there is any circumstance under which Toronto would trade Nylander before the trade deadline if he remains unsigned at that point.

We all see it differently but if I owned da team i would trade him if he did not resign .. it won't be a $$$$ issue .. if he doesn't resign it is because he truly does not want to play in Toronto .. but he says he does so we must believe him .. no reason for him to lie .. his life and his kids lives and his kids kids lives are entirely unaffected by any hockey decision he makes at this time .. so he is doing it strictly by where he wants to live

 

[Menzinger]

so in 5 years, after 11 years with this core if we still dont have any playoff success you will still want to pay top dollar for the stars who havent had any success? thats literally insanity lol. and btw, all of this is going off an ASSUMPTION that mathhews is going to demand an 8 year max deal with no proof of that

And the alternative is what exactly?

Dump a couple of the stars and become big spenders on older vets in July? Tread water at the bottom of the league until we hopefully get lucky at the draft?

Not exactly appealing to me

 

[ACC1224]

We all see it differently but if I owned da team i would trade him if he did not resign .. it won't be a $$$$ issue .. if he doesn't resign it is because he truly does not want to play in Toronto .. but he says he does so we must believe him .. no reason for him to lie .. his life and his kids lives and his kids kids lives are entirely unaffected by any hockey decision he makes at this time .. so he is doing it strictly by where he wants to live

True but then why hasn't he signed yet?

 

[Drytoast]

A very selective list of attributes.

Is he our best player in the playoffs? Possibly, along with Rielly.

If he's worth no more than 9 (and I'm not saying he is), then Matthews, Marner, and Tavares all all badly overpaid (which I think is true, thanks to Dubas).

Well I am listing stuff based on what I see other elites on the other team that bully us in the playoffs seem to bring to the table. Especially the ones making the money he's asking for.

Matthew Ktachuk makes 9.5 for f*** sakes. Nylander doesn't bring the level of game in the games that matter that Ktachuk brings. Not even close. Now you could say that the cap has gone up since he signed that deal but then I can say "so?" Even still, even right now...Nylander's game isn't on the same level as Matt's. It's not even close.

So MAYBE with the cap going up, Willy is worth 9? 9.5? But he can f*** himself if he thinks he's worth more than players who have done more than he has in the games that matter the most.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Well I am listing stuff based on what I see other elites on the other team that bully us in the playoffs seem to bring to the table. Especially the ones making the money he's asking for.

You can't even win that comparison list with his own teammates.

 

[Drytoast]

You can't even win that comparison list with his own teammates.

His own team mates are just as bad. Which is why we've only won a single round in 8 years.